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[Kristian]

After images of construction work at Red Bull Ring appeared on the outside of T1 & T2, circuit spokesperson says "This year Formula 1 (and all other series) will use the current layout." Austrian GP on July 3, MotoGP on August 14.

 

Good. 

 

Though what does that mean for next year? 

[Jimisgod]

Without the Bosch Kurve, it's just a pale imitation, whatever they do.

 

All the track down there is long gone.

[taz]

If they want to use both layouts in the future, then the current pit-exit has to change. Only option is see is to let the cars join the track earlier

[LeClerc]

I distrust Austrians. Why, just today I warned my Spanish coworker about being taught German by her Austrian husband.

 

Raaaaaaaaaaaaan, to te tjopper!

[Jerem]

If they want to use both layouts in the future, then the current pit-exit has to change. Only option is see is to let the cars join the track earlier

Or they make a road cutting across at the exit of current turn 1 and rejoining the new track further up?

[Myrvold]

If they want to use both layouts in the future, then the current pit-exit has to change. Only option is see is to let the cars join the track earlier

No no. It's all a part of a Red Bull - Ecclestone idea where they run one layout on odd laps and the other on even laps!

[PayasYouRace]

If they want to use both layouts in the future, then the current pit-exit has to change. Only option is see is to let the cars join the track earlier

 

Obviously. You make it sound like a bigger problem than it actually is.

[Marklar]

Austrian media suggests that they want to make the race track longer in order to host endurance races

http://m.kleinezeitu...962720/index.do

[Risil]

They already do ELMS there...

[blacky]

It's an open secret that Mateschitz wants WEC at his track. The planned extensions were already approved as the track reopened. And it's also no secret that Mateschitz wants to reactivate the so called "Österreichring" version, at least parts of it,  from 1987.

[Dr. Austin]

I can't find the link, but apparently a lot of the old track is still left, and where's it's not there's been nothing built. If they had the funding and all the right permits, they could very easily restore the old track.

[Jovanotti]

Frankly I'd rather see it staying untouched than being torn up to suit "modern standards".

[blacky]

Edit:

image doesn't work here. 

Edited by blacky, 14 April 2016 - 06:35.

[Kristian]

I thought the reason the original plans to lengthen the track (using part of the Osterreichring) was shot down by local environmental opposition? 

[byrkus]

This is what an original plan of longer track looked like:

 

 

And this is how the current track looks like in nature:

 

 

That extension should go right thrugh the forest, which remained from the old Österreichring. And it would probably be all gone. No wonder they never let them do it,realistically speaking.

[August]

I hope they keep Tiroch as a quick long right-hander, even though new standards require a runoff, and don't turn it into two sharp-apex corners. Plus I hope they don't make that pointless Mickey Mouse section before the old part joins the current track.

As for WEC requirements, the current track is a bit longer than Interlagos where WEC used to race.

Edited by August, 14 April 2016 - 15:27.

[Imperial]

I went to the (re) opening race in 2014 and to get to general admission you had to walk the old circuit to the left of Castrol (where the F1 Village was...so I wonder where that will be situated now) and follow all the way to Reemus.

There was nothing wrong with the whole section to be honest, aside from obviously needing anything metal to be replaced and modernise the infrastructure, i.e. paths and any service/support buildings or whatever.

Martin Brundle did an excellent piece on his motorbike on the old circuit for Sky:

[PayasYouRace]

This is what an original plan of longer track looked like:

 

 

And this is how the current track looks like in nature:

 

 

 

That extension should go right thrugh the forest, which remained from the old Österreichring. And it would probably be all gone. No wonder they never let them do it,realistically speaking.

 

 

I don't if this is the right thread..

but it seems like they're finally somewhat restoring some old parts of the Osterreichring

the first chicane is obviously different:

 

 

At the hairpin:

 

 

 

Obviously they're not building that plan.

[David99]

Obviously they're not building that plan.

 

 

I mentioned earlier that it would be great if they just reinstated the old part of the track not used at the moment, running into the current circuit.  Thinking more about it, it would be fine if they did this, even with the remus section breaking the straight with that little loopy kink.

[taz]

Found some new pictures, no new info

 

 

 

source: https://marieskleine...-red-bull-ring/

[johnmhinds]

Huh? Did some pikeys have some extra tarmac left over? None of that looks like it could become parts of a track.

[kevinracefan]

F1 should give a bonus payment to DM for reviving this track...

 

nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk...

[Jerem]

Nice parking lot, are they building a mall next to the track?

[Marklar]

New pics

https://marieskleine...-red-bull-ring/

[Kristian]

Ugh so much asphalt in such a beautiful place

[johnmhinds]

Still don't get it, why is there no run off at the end of the straight, they haven't put up proper catch fencing and the chicane doesn't even lead anywhere?

Who is meant to be racing on this?

Edited by johnmhinds, 10 May 2016 - 09:49.

[Marklar]

Red Bull confirms that the current works in Spielberg are done to held in the future a WEC race and a 24 h race

 

http://www.motorspor...fe-in-spielberg

[Marklar]

Despite a lot promotion Spielberg just sold 35.000 tickets for next months Austrian GP so far   (2014: 95.000; 2015: 55.000)

 

http://www.motorspor...t-enttaeuschend (in German)

[PiperPa42]

How does the ticket sales compare to the other years at this point?

[August]

Looking a this screenshot from the DTM race, seems like there's gonna be a chicane when joining the current track.

 

 

I think it'd be better without a chicane. If a car isn't too aero sensitive, the Tiroch corner might enable a better car to carry momentum to the following straight; a chicane will prevent that. And of course, we don't want Mickey Mouse corners on a track that was famous for its fast sweeping corners.

[Fastcake]

F1 should give a bonus payment to DM for reviving this track...

nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk...

Only if they fine him for wrecking it in the first place.

[BRG]

Hopefully, buying the place, wrecking it and having it sit ideal for years has already cost DM a bunch of cash.  Although I would still vote for a whacking fine as well!

[Imperial]

Just realised I spent the weekend watching a bunch of races on this track and didn't spot the 'new' bit once.

Can someone confirm, does it actually follow the route of the old track? (I.E. straight on at turn 1 on the GP circuit, then looping right up the hill).

[Kristian]

Oh great, we have a nice little circuit with a good flow and no chicanes. 

 

Of course, let's put in a chicane. 

[Jovanotti]

A chicane might make sense (or may even be required) in T1 leading to the old circuit, because there's no space for an appropriate run-off. The chicane in the pic above (if it's going to be one) is absolutely stupid though.

[lustigson]

I have no clue as to the placing of those pictures. Isn't there a map of sorts showing any changes in the Red Bull Ring lay-out?

[byrkus]

A chicane might make sense (or may even be required) in T1 leading to the old circuit, because there's no space for an appropriate run-off. The chicane in the pic above (if it's going to be one) is absolutely stupid though.

 

I don't think that the potential new chicane has anything to do with a GP circuit, though. It seems to me as if it's used only as a sort of connection between the "new" (original) part of the track, and the Remus curve.

 

My guess is something like this (if the original western part remains the same, of course):

 

[Ben1445]

I don't think that the potential new chicane has anything to do with a GP circuit, though. It seems to me as if it's used only as a sort of connection between the "new" (original) part of the track, and the Remus curve.

 

My guess is something like this (if the original western part remains the same, of course):

 

If this is literally all they do then I think that can work. There was a video a while back... which showed plans to make the west part a test track, ultimately butchering the original form. If there's just two new linking chicanes and up do date run off/barriers, I'm ok with this

 

[August]

We don't know what Red Bull has planned for the Tiroch curve. I could imagine them putting any kind of a Mickey Mouse section there. In that case I hope they at least leave the old track there.

 

As for the chicane where the old part joins the current track, I find it pointless. It could directly join the current track through the hairpin runoff.

[Ben1445]

We don't know what Red Bull has planned for the Tiroch curve. I could imagine them putting any kind of a Mickey Mouse section there. In that case I hope they at least leave the old track there.

 

Same

 

As for the chicane where the old part joins the current track, I find it pointless. It could directly join the current track through the hairpin runoff.

The only thing I find pointless about it is the clumsy tightness of it. Somehow, I see the point of a chicane but I would much rather have a wider sweeping chicane rather like those on the Mulsanne straight at Le Mans than what they seem to have, which isn't much more than a bent hose pipe.... in both look and in the effect on the flow of the lap

[Al.]

As for the chicane where the old part joins the current track, I find it pointless. It could directly join the current track through the hairpin runoff.

I guess they want the downforce level to be about the same as now. If you had the old loop as it was without any chicanes you eliminate the current big stops at Turns 1 & 2. Teams would then shed downforce which makes the run to the current Turn 3 quick, which would push runoff and grandstands back. Didn't Williams clock 378km/h in Baku?

A chicane at the join between new and old would maintain the balance and reduce the need to modify bits of the current racetrack. It would also preserve the overtaking spots we have now.

Edited by Al., 02 July 2016 - 17:50.