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[Kingshark]

Of course. There's an unwritten rule in Formula 1 that no team other than Ferrari are aloud to paint their cars over 80% red.

[Tufty]

Kingshark, on Dec 30 2012, 22:51, said:

Of course. There's an unwritten rule in Formula 1 that no team other than Ferrari are aloud to paint their cars over 80% red.

Were Stefan not looking to be predominantly red?

Is that the real reason they weren't allowed on the grid?!

[Kingshark]

Tufty, on Dec 30 2012, 19:29, said:

Were Stefan not looking to be predominantly red?

Is that the real reason they weren't allowed on the grid?!

Yep,

http://www.f1fanatic...yotatf110-6.jpg

And not painting their car red certainly would've helped.

[V8 Fireworks]

Kingshark, on Dec 30 2012, 23:51, said:

Of course. There's an unwritten rule in Formula 1 that no team other than Ferrari are aloud to paint their cars over 80% red.

The rule isn't very effective. ;)



Besides, by "rights" Toro Rosso could paint their cars red if they wanted, being an Italian team. I would imagine it is more likely for marketing reasons, in competition with Ferrari, that convinced the semi-works Lamborghini to go with the nation's footballing colour of blue so as to clearly identify themselves seperately in the 1990s. (and what a pretty car... Lambo-Lamborghini )

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 31 December 2012 - 03:56.

[V8 Fireworks]

Kingshark, on Dec 31 2012, 03:42, said:

Yep,

http://www.f1fanatic...yotatf110-6.jpg

And not painting their car red certainly would've helped.

Hmmm... stick a Marlboro decal on there, and many (actually I think almost 95%) casual fans would struggle to tell that apart from the Ferrari F150(degree). You'd have to be quite a big Ferrari fan to pick the different FW end plates, the sidepods without the "top scoop" shape etc. It's interesting how the F1 cars all tend to look fairly similar.

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 31 December 2012 - 03:50.

[Bartel]

V8 Fireworks, on Dec 31 2012, 13:47, said:

Hmmm... stick a Marlboro decal on there, and many (actually I think almost 95%) casual fans would struggle to tell that apart from the Ferrari F150(degree). You'd have to be quite a big Ferrari fan to pick the different FW end plates, the sidepods without the "top scoop" shape etc. It's interesting how the F1 cars all tend to look fairly similar.

Looks scarily like the F10

[Tombstone]

Kingshark, on Dec 30 2012, 22:51, said:

Of course. There's an unwritten rule in Formula 1 that no team other than Ferrari are aloud to paint their cars over 80% red.

Even McLaren got in on the act:

Edited by Tombstone, 03 January 2013 - 01:07.

[noikeee]

You've missed the biggest copycat. There was a Dallara (or Scuderia Italia, or BMS, I mix up those names) in the early 90s, I believe somewhere between 1990 and 1992, with Marlboro decals that looked almost identically like the Ferrari at the time. I'm not sure if it was the season Ferrari had a giant white stripe (92?), if it was then you could distinguish the both by the Dallara having MORE red than the Ferrari.

[Tombstone]

noikeee, on Jan 3 2013, 09:52, said:

You've missed the biggest copycat. There was a Dallara (or Scuderia Italia, or BMS, I mix up those names) in the early 90s, I believe somewhere between 1990 and 1992, with Marlboro decals that looked almost identically like the Ferrari at the time. I'm not sure if it was the season Ferrari had a giant white stripe (92?), if it was then you could distinguish the both by the Dallara having MORE red than the Ferrari.

It wasn't meant to be exhaustive!

[Buttoneer]

Thread split from the F2013 discussion. Please remember to attribute copyright to images, or link to them.

[Risil]

Kingshark, on Dec 30 2012, 22:51, said:

Of course. There's an unwritten rule in Formula 1 that no team other than Ferrari are aloud to paint their cars over 80% red.

I call shenanigans.

[Buttoneer]

Started a great discussion though

[encircled]

Photo taken from

E: Sorry, did not see V8's post.

Edited by encircled, 03 January 2013 - 15:44.

[Winter98]

Risil, on Jan 3 2013, 06:34, said:

I call shenanigans.

LOL!

Thanks for the chuckle!

[Jimisgod]

Really esoteric

[Tombstone]

Jimisgod, on Jan 3 2013, 15:24, said:

Really esoteric

Weird to see a Lotus in those colours.

Although of course the Gold Leaf Loti had a lot of red, but it was more ~50/50 red/white

Edited by Tombstone, 03 January 2013 - 17:24.

[Brandz07]

Kingshark, on Dec 31 2012, 02:42, said:

Yep,

http://www.f1fanatic...yotatf110-6.jpg

And not painting their car red certainly would've helped.

Damn, I wish that car had raced.

[Sin]

Who cares about red? I want the Jordan yellow back... or even the Minardi yellow just any yellow..... its such a pretty colour

[Tombstone]

Sin, on Jan 3 2013, 18:41, said:

Who cares about red? I want the Jordan yellow back... or even the Minardi yellow just any yellow..... its such a pretty colour

Careful what you wish for, you might get a Copersucar instead.

[scheivlak]

Sin, on Jan 3 2013, 19:41, said:

Who cares about red? I want the Jordan yellow back... or even the Minardi yellow just any yellow..... its such a pretty colour

Or a yellow Ferrari: http://www.scale18.c...ndebien_Olivier

[Red17]

What's this? Could it be a Blue Ferrari?

[Les]

Of course Surtees raced a blue and white Ferrari to the championship in late 64, the caption explains why: http://en.espnf1.com...mage/50494.html

That Red Williams was hideous really didn't look right for a Williams and I'm glad it didn't last.

Edited by Les, 04 January 2013 - 01:25.

[Rentta]

Well red is nowdays italy's national racing color, it was black at some point. I wonder why they changed it.

[scheivlak]

Rentta, on Jan 4 2013, 22:13, said:

Well red is nowdays italy's national racing color, it was black at some point. I wonder why they changed it.

Tell us some more about that - it's been red since 1907 or something....
Anyway there's a story that Italy chose red in honour of the red Itala that won the Peking-Paris road race in 1907.

AFAIK black was the original colour (1900) for Germany, who soon opted for white. Originally red was the USA's colour but they soon went for white and blue, see e.g. http://8w.forix.com/rvm-vol8-no1.html article 19.

[MortenF1]

I liked the '98 Winfield-sponsored Williams (and especially how Villeneuve drove it!)

In the modern era, the scarlet-red Ferrari's that Räikkönen & Massa drove, were much prettier than the more orange colour that has often been used.

[eighty80]

Hoping for a red (Sauber-)Alfa Romeo...

[spacekid]

I've never liked the Philip Morris red, for what (little) it's worth.

[SuperSwede]

Alfa Romeo 177, 1979

 

[PayasYouRace]

Red17, on 04 Jan 2013 - 00:08, said:

What's this? Could it be a Blue Ferrari?

Also the nickname of the 1988 Rial, which was looked at as a copy of the Ferrari F187/88C

noikeee, on 03 Jan 2013 - 09:52, said:

You've missed the biggest copycat. There was a Dallara (or Scuderia Italia, or BMS, I mix up those names) in the early 90s, I believe somewhere between 1990 and 1992, with Marlboro decals that looked almost identically like the Ferrari at the time. I'm not sure if it was the season Ferrari had a giant white stripe (92?), if it was then you could distinguish the both by the Dallara having MORE red than the Ferrari.

Fortunately Ferrari ran the white stripe in 1993, after Scuderia Italia switched to predominantly white Lolas from Dallaras in 1992. The Dallaras were always the ones with the white stripe.

[noikeee]

PayasYouRace, on 15 Jan 2018 - 23:01, said:

  
Fortunately Ferrari ran the white stripe in 1993, after Scuderia Italia switched to predominantly white Lolas from Dallaras in 1992. The Dallaras were always the ones with the white stripe.

 

Only took 4 years to clear up my doubt, but thanks. 

 

edit: make that 5 years actually, we're in 2018...

Edited by noikeee, 15 January 2018 - 23:06.

[PayasYouRace]

I’ve only just realised how old this thread is. Eighty80 being a master necromancer for some reason.

[B Squared]

I miss the gold anodized wheels on Ferraris.

[Maustinsj]

Ferrari’s what?

[Tsarwash]

I was under the impression that the official racing marques of Ferrari was yellow. 

[drionita]

Did someone mention Scuderia Italia? They raced (well) Dallara cars in Italian Red from 1988 to 1992, and wrecked when they used Lola (and changed colours) in 1993.

[PayasYouRace]

Maustinsj, on 16 Jan 2018 - 02:25, said:

Ferrari’s what?

Red cars in F1 are not all belonging to Ferrari.

[Maustinsj]

Aha, as in “all your red cars are belong to us”?

[Maustinsj]

Tsarwash, on 16 Jan 2018 - 04:33, said:

I was under the impression that the official racing marques of Ferrari was yellow.

It is. But red is the national colour.

[eighty80]

PayasYouRace, on 15 Jan 2018 - 23:14, said:

Eighty80 being a master necromancer for some reason.

How dare you. I would never do that to a corpse.

 

 

drionita, on 16 Jan 2018 - 06:59, said:

Did someone mention Scuderia Italia? They raced (well) Dallara cars in Italian Red from 1988 to 1992, and wrecked when they used Lola (and changed colours) in 1993.

Splendid.

Edited by eighty80, 16 January 2018 - 21:53.

[Zava]

Maustinsj, on 16 Jan 2018 - 02:25, said:

Ferrari’s what?

red cars in f1 are not all owned by Ferrari, the rare occurrence where even though it is a mistake, it is not. 

[noikeee]

eighty80, on 16 Jan 2018 - 21:52, said:

 

Splendid.

 

I always liked those Scuderia Italia Dallaras a lot. That one is quite good looking!

[Nathan]

Red17, on 04 Jan 2013 - 00:08, said:

What's this? Could it be a Blue Ferrari?

 

Is that car going around an American circuit?  Looks like N.A.R.T. colours?

[V8 Fireworks]

noikeee, on 17 Jan 2018 - 12:55, said:

I always liked those Scuderia Italia Dallaras a lot. That one is quite good looking!

 

At the historic demo, it was interesting how much louder (very!) the 90's era Dallara was on idle compared to the many earlier DFV cars on idle.

[drionita]

V8 Fireworks, on 18 Jan 2018 - 02:54, said:

At the historic demo, it was interesting how much louder (very!) the 90's era Dallara was on idle compared to the many earlier DFV cars on idle.

As far as I remember, from 1987 to 1990 Dallara used V8 Cosworth, while in 1991 they had Judd V10 and 1992 Ferrari V12.

[B Squared]

Nathan, on 17 Jan 2018 - 23:44, said:

Is that car going around an American circuit?  Looks like N.A.R.T. colours?

Mexico in the associated photo; there are no hairpins like that at Watkins Glen. Yes, North American Racing Team colors.

[Scotracer]

PayasYouRace, on 16 Jan 2018 - 07:50, said:

Red cars in F1 are not all belonging to Ferrari.

 

He means that the punctuation of the thread title should be "Red cars in F1 are not all Ferraris", without the apostrophe on Ferraris. 

 

It is a pet peeve of mine too 

[Maustinsj]

Although it can be read both ways.

 

I call it a score draw. 

[ensign14]

scheivlak, on 04 Jan 2013 - 21:40, said:

Tell us some more about that - it's been red since 1907 or something....
Anyway there's a story that Italy chose red in honour of the red Itala that won the Peking-Paris road race in 1907.

AFAIK black was the original colour (1900) for Germany, who soon opted for white. Originally red was the USA's colour but they soon went for white and blue, see e.g. http://8w.forix.com/rvm-vol8-no1.html article 19.

 

I have a hypothesis about racing colours.  That they were never meant to be permanent; they were allocated for the Gordon-Bennett Cup, which was the first contest where nationality of entrant was important.

 

In the first Gordon-Bennett, the American Wintons were red.  In the second, Edge's British Napier was red (although it withdrew from the GB part of the race).  Jarrott was the first to use BRG, but it was also Napier's house colour, so after Napier won in 1902 the British seemed to think green was a lucky charm. 

 

So I think these things were rather ad-hoc for a while.  The Motor in early 1904 noted that five countries that had entered the 1904 GB race had chosen - its word - the same colours as they had in the 1903 race; American red, French blue, German white, British green, and Italian black.  And that Austria, Switzerland and Belgium had yet to choose.  Well, Belgium had used yellow in the first GB, and Switzerland would end up using red and yellow when Dufaux finally entered.  Not sure as to Austria's colour other than it looks fairly dark in pics, and in later years it would be allocated dark blue.

 

The first Grand Prix in 1906 was deliberately not in national colours; Renault entered a patriotic trio in red, white, and blue.  In 1907 FIAT entered red cars and the American Walter Christie had a white car with red bonnet.  In later years the Swiss took over red and white and the Americans had white and blue.  But as an example of how these things were still not set in stone, the Scots Arrol-Johnstons in the 1912 Grand Prix were not British green, but a dark blue tartan pattern.
 

[PayasYouRace]

Scotracer, on 18 Jan 2018 - 09:49, said:

He means that the punctuation of the thread title should be "Red cars in F1 are not all Ferraris", without the apostrophe on Ferraris. 
 
It is a pet peeve of mine too 

It reads correctly.

For example, MP4 cars in F1 are not all Ron’s.

[David1976]

Scarlet red with black trimmings and gold wheels.  Always a winner!