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New team radio in 2012 season review shows Vettel penalty protests


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#51 chrisblades85

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 21:02

Earth shattering stuff.

Why does the blu ray come out later that than a DVD.

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#52 Buttoneer

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 21:38

It is not OK for a driver to break the rules. It is perfectly OK for a driver who did not break the rule, to complain about one who did. This isn't kindergarten hide and seek, this is a multimillion dollar business.

#53 Sin

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 21:53

It is not OK for a driver to break the rules. It is perfectly OK for a driver who did not break the rule, to complain about one who did. This isn't kindergarten hide and seek, this is a multimillion dollar business.



yeah but it is okay to protest in the heat of the moment if you saw things differently... in the end the decision is with the stewards... but complaining about it, who cares?

Edited by Sin, 06 January 2013 - 21:54.


#54 Group B

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 22:00

yeah but it is okay to protest in the heat of the moment if you saw things differently... in the end the decision is with the stewards... but complaining about it, who cares?

Who cares indeed. I fail to see how anything can be established here other than 'your driver whines more than my driver on the radio'. Me thinks we need new cars and testing to talk about, the sooner the better.

#55 bourbon

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 22:10

How many times have drivers complained to Charlie about racing incidents? I can't recall any.


The teams generally do the actual reporting to Charlie, sometimes at the driver's behest and other times at their own initiative. Occassionally Charlie is on the channel and can interact with a driver directly (i.e., Monza), but I would imagine that is rare.

The point is, I am against the penalty seeking for what amount to race incidents. Moreso when it is decided post race and we must sit 3 hours awaiting a result. As for general complaining into the radio by drivers - I couldn't care less.

Edited by bourbon, 06 January 2013 - 22:16.


#56 boldhakka

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:37

Those are some pretty benign comments by Vettel. Rocky seems like a great engineer.

#57 seahawk

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:42

Refeshing to see how clever Jenson is and how Alonso outsmarted Vettel.

#58 Slartibartfast

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:37

WHAT??? Vettel complained on radio about a penalty which Button earned him by complaining on radio about him? How dare he, that nasty kid...... :drunk:

No, Vettel earned himself the penalty.

yeah but it is okay to protest in the heat of the moment if you saw things differently... in the end the decision is with the stewards... but complaining about it, who cares?

I agree, I can't see anything wrong with a driver putting forward his case over the radio in the way that Vettel seems to have done.

#59 Coops3

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:55

The teams generally do the actual reporting to Charlie, sometimes at the driver's behest and other times at their own initiative. Occassionally Charlie is on the channel and can interact with a driver directly (i.e., Monza), but I would imagine that is rare.

The point is, I am against the penalty seeking for what amount to race incidents. Moreso when it is decided post race and we must sit 3 hours awaiting a result. As for general complaining into the radio by drivers - I couldn't care less.


But it's for the stewards to decide what is and isn't a race incident. It isn't for the driver who is doing the complaining to decide.

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#60 Lazy

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:50

So like every other racing driver.

Indeed, considering how arsey I get if I'm cut up on the motorway, I'm impressed with how calm they seem to be in general.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:19

Indeed, considering how arsey I get if I'm cut up on the motorway, I'm impressed with how calm they seem to be in general.

That really sums it up.

To those suggesting drivers shouldn't be 'grassing' on other drivers infractions, if you had a radio in your car that let you speak to traffic cops and a camera recording everything that happened in front of you, would you never use it whenever anyone cut you up or pulled out in front of you? I know I wouldn't just shrug it off and ignore it.

#62 F1EC

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:49

on the whole, Button is a cool dude and a fair sort


He's definitely been very successful in promoting that image.


#63 Skinnyguy

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 13:13

no probs with drivers complaining for a penalty on the radio (they are part of a team of hundreds spending hundreds of millions - it's their job to do so really!) and even less of a problem with a driver complaining about being penalised.


Same here. If you think someone is breaking the rules in front of you it´s perfectly normal to tell it. I would be furious if an asshat started weaving too much to avoid a pass, and I would certainly make an effort to stop that happening. Same if I get a penalty I don´t think I deserved. Perfectly ok.

At least vettel seems to keep his complaining in the car during the heat of the moment and doesn't drag it out in the media afterwards so much.


:up: :up: :up:

#64 Skinnyguy

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 13:15

He's definitely been very successful in promoting that image.


To gain that image you don´t need promotion, you need a long career of fair and flawless wheel to wheel. Button hasn´t ever talked about himself being a very clean racer, WE came to that conclussion watching him race over the years.

It´s not as if he was constantly putting himself in a good light like Lewis or Alonso.

#65 robefc

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 13:23

Indeed, considering how arsey I get if I'm cut up on the motorway, I'm impressed with how calm they seem to be in general.


:up:

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#66 Sakae

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 19:39

What, Vettel is a cheater, rule-breaker and a whiner? Nothing new here, get back to your duties please.

Can you justify your outburst as being anywhere factual?

#67 Clatter

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:30

Can you justify your outburst as being anywhere factual?


I took his comment as being aimed at the bashers.