Edited by heineken2008, 09 January 2013 - 04:22.
Favorite GP Win 2012
#1
Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:04
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#2
Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:35
Kimi's win was fantastic, both for him and for Lotus.
Maldonado bringing Williams home a win for the first time since 2004 in a straight fight with Alonso in his home country was brilliant.
Alonso's wins in Malaysia, Valencia and Hockenheim were all hard-earned and lovely to see as a Ferrari fan.
Lewis was sublime in Canada and Austin.
I think Button, Webber and Vettel's wins weren't quite as thrilling as others were this particular season.
#3
Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:40
#4
Posted 09 January 2013 - 16:12
Maldonado's is second, due to it being out of the blue and a superb drive from someone so erratic.
I didn't really feel much from the rest, I would probably rank Alonso in Malaysia third.
If Hulkenberg had won in Germany, his win would probably at the top of my list.
#5
Posted 09 January 2013 - 16:20
My favourite win this season was Raikkonen's in Abu Dhabi. It was overdue, and won in a car that did not look like a contender going into the race.
Maldonado's is second, due to it being out of the blue and a superb drive from someone so erratic.
I didn't really feel much from the rest, I would probably rank Alonso in Malaysia third.
If Hulkenberg had won in Germany, his win would probably at the top of my list.
You can thank LH's DNF and Vettel's penalty for that.
#6
Posted 09 January 2013 - 16:25
they won because the cars in front had reliability issues. Those were Vettel and Hamiltons victories
The best victory for me was wihtout a doubt Lewis in Austin, I hate Hamilton but damn, he beat Vettel with an inferior car and incredible consistent lap times.
#7
Posted 09 January 2013 - 16:27
#8
Posted 09 January 2013 - 16:36
The best victory for me was wihtout a doubt Lewis in Austin, I hate Hamilton but damn, he beat Vettel with an inferior car and incredible consistent lap times.
Classic hunter and prey stuff.
My fave too......... but I am slightly biased.
#9
Posted 09 January 2013 - 17:04
You can thank LH's DNF and Vettel's penalty for that.
Why do I need to thank Hamilton's DNF and Vettel's penalty?
I didn't win.
#10
Posted 09 January 2013 - 17:06
Inferior? 1-2 seconds faster than Webber and easily gain on Vettel doesn't sound like inferior, certainly not with Button setting fast laps further back.Alonso in Valencia and Kimi in Abu Dhabi were awesome BUT
they won because the cars in front had reliability issues. Those were Vettel and Hamiltons victories
The best victory for me was wihtout a doubt Lewis in Austin, I hate Hamilton but damn, he beat Vettel with an inferior car and incredible consistent lap times.
Practice times are not an indication of a car's ultimate pace, otherwise Vettel would have a heap of 'inferior' wins.
#11
Posted 09 January 2013 - 17:30
Inferior? 1-2 seconds faster than Webber and easily gain on Vettel doesn't sound like inferior, certainly not with Button setting fast laps further back.
Practice times are not an indication of a car's ultimate pace, otherwise Vettel would have a heap of 'inferior' wins.
The only reason Hamilton passed Vettel was DRS.
Also Vettel ended up having fastest lap of the race.
If anything they were similar
#12
Posted 09 January 2013 - 17:40
#13
Posted 09 January 2013 - 17:42
In Belgium, the fastest lap of the race was set by Bruno Senna, who finished 12th.The only reason Hamilton passed Vettel was DRS.
Also Vettel ended up having fastest lap of the race.
If anything they were similar
FLs are no indications of race pace; a race is 56 laps (US), not 1.
Edited by mnmracer, 09 January 2013 - 17:43.
#14
Posted 09 January 2013 - 18:11
#15
Posted 09 January 2013 - 18:28
#16
Posted 09 January 2013 - 18:40
#17
Posted 09 January 2013 - 19:07
But my favourite was Maldonado's. Against all odds.
#18
Posted 09 January 2013 - 19:36
Why do I need to thank Hamilton's DNF and Vettel's penalty?
I didn't win.
Because Lewis had Kimi easily covered. Vettel showed great pace as well.
#19
Posted 09 January 2013 - 20:20
Nico Rosberg had DRS, too. How come he didn't win?The only reason Hamilton passed Vettel was DRS.
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#20
Posted 09 January 2013 - 20:27
Favourite single win: Hamilton in Austin. As said above, you really feel like he came out and took it from Vettel who looked like dominating all weekend.
#21
Posted 09 January 2013 - 20:31
#22
Posted 09 January 2013 - 20:40
Because Lewis had Kimi easily covered. Vettel showed great pace as well.
Still don't see why I need to be thankful.
Edited by Ragingjamaican, 09 January 2013 - 20:41.
#23
Posted 10 January 2013 - 05:31
Its just generally how people who have any sort of emotional investment into the sport feel towards their favored team/driver in that sort of situation. Were you not happy to see Lewis retire and Kimi inherit the lead? If you were, then it'd be logical to be thankful for it happening. Otherwise you wouldn't have enjoyed that feeling.Still don't see why I need to be thankful.
Its like...human nature and stuff.
Edited by Seanspeed, 10 January 2013 - 05:32.
#24
Posted 10 January 2013 - 14:47
#25
Posted 10 January 2013 - 14:48
No, I don't think one needs to thank someone who couldn't even finish one-third of the race.You can thank LH's DNF and Vettel's penalty for that.
#26
Posted 10 January 2013 - 14:53
If he didn't retire, Kimi most likely wouldn't have won, though. Are you really not thankful for that?No, I don't think one needs to thank someone who couldn't even finish one-third of the race.
I dont see why some of you seem to defensive about this.
#27
Posted 10 January 2013 - 15:03
Lewis in Canada and Austin
Fred at Valencia was something special also.
#28
Posted 10 January 2013 - 15:03
There were some pretty special wins.
Kimi's win was fantastic, both for him and for Lotus.
Maldonado bringing Williams home a win for the first time since 2004 in a straight fight with Alonso in his home country was brilliant.
Alonso's wins in Malaysia, Valencia and Hockenheim were all hard-earned and lovely to see as a Ferrari fan.
Lewis was sublime in Canada and Austin.
I think Button, Webber and Vettel's wins weren't quite as thrilling as others were this particular season.
Hard to pick one. These were all great and I also really enjoyed seeing Rosberg finally get a win. Kimi gets my vote though.
#29
Posted 10 January 2013 - 23:23
Rosberg trying so hard, so many years. Maldonado's birthday present win for Frank Williams, after terrible Williams results one year before.
But Kimi's was even better - kind of first win that too - first after his comback to F1
Edited by rijole1, 10 January 2013 - 23:24.
#30
Posted 10 January 2013 - 23:30
Alonso at Malaysia was enjoyable for all the wrong reasons, it was sweet revenge after reading all the "Clifford the Dog" posts.
#31
Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:42
#32
Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:05
Edited by Disgrace, 11 January 2013 - 02:05.
#33
Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:07
Vettel's 4 in a row, which followed the break and all those journos telling him that the dream of being Triple Champion was over. He gave them the best. finger. ever.
Kimi's win - an over the moon moment.
Perez' almost win - fantastic effort in his little Sauber
Edited by bourbon, 11 January 2013 - 04:10.
#34
Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:56
Its just generally how people who have any sort of emotional investment into the sport feel towards their favored team/driver in that sort of situation. Were you not happy to see Lewis retire and Kimi inherit the lead? If you were, then it'd be logical to be thankful for it happening. Otherwise you wouldn't have enjoyed that feeling.
Not really no.
His luck last season was dreadful, and despite not being a fan of his by all means, it was sad to see so many problems on his end.
#35
Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:24
#36
Posted 11 January 2013 - 13:59
Yet you say its your favorite win of the year?Not really no.
His luck last season was dreadful, and despite not being a fan of his by all means, it was sad to see so many problems on his end.
I dont get it.
#37
Posted 11 January 2013 - 17:23
It is one thing if the car had broken down few laps before the chequered flag or at least after 3/4th of the race. A car that couldn't finish even one-third was never in the race, IMO. There were at least four other drivers who should have won ahead of him that day. One driver's car breaking down is not that big a deal. In fact, the McLaren car has had a habit of breaking down quite frequently. A characteristically unreliable car is nothing to be thankful about. It was a totally earned win.If he didn't retire, Kimi most likely wouldn't have won, though. Are you really not thankful for that?
I dont see why some of you seem to defensive about this.
#38
Posted 11 January 2013 - 17:58
Edited by olliek88, 11 January 2013 - 17:59.
#39
Posted 11 January 2013 - 18:52
He was in the race, though. Its not a matter of opinion.It is one thing if the car had broken down few laps before the chequered flag or at least after 3/4th of the race. A car that couldn't finish even one-third was never in the race, IMO. There were at least four other drivers who should have won ahead of him that day. One driver's car breaking down is not that big a deal. In fact, the McLaren car has had a habit of breaking down quite frequently. A characteristically unreliable car is nothing to be thankful about. It was a totally earned win.
And I never said Kimi didn't deserve the win.
Choose to ignore it all you like. I dont see why its so hard to admit. I was thankful for Vettel breaking down in Valencia. Alonso would have never won otherwise. I can recognize that and dont feel it diminishes Alonso's acheivement. For you, I guess it does, though.
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#40
Posted 11 January 2013 - 19:04
#41
Posted 11 January 2013 - 19:24
Voted Kimi because he's my favourite but it was not the best win off the year.
#42
Posted 11 January 2013 - 20:11
Its not a 'romantic view' that Alonso wouldn't have won in Valencia without Vettel retiring. Same deal with Kimi's win and Lewis retiring.^ You know what, you should stop expecting everyone to think like the same way you do. Teams set out to compete against each other and win. Thankfulness, luck and such things don't exist. You may choose to be thankful, feel lucky, etc. It is just a way of looking at things and the degree varies. Don't compel everyone to adopt such romantic views.
As for luck not existing, it definitely does. Anything that happens that is completely out of your control is generally what 'luck' is. You can have good and bad luck. For Alonso, it was good luck that Vettel retired. Alonso could not influence whether or not Vettel retired. For Vettel, it was bad luck. Sure, his team(or Renault) was at fault, but that doesn't mean it wasn't bad luck for Vettel, who was not in control of whether or not the alternator lived or died.
This isn't 'romanticism'. This is basic, common sense stuff. I want to say I cant imagine how somebody could actually deny this stuff and refuse to be thankful for a rival retiring ahead of your driver, but with some of you guys, it really does make a lot of sense. Anything that you perceive might be taking credit away from your driver is not worth considering, obviously.
I dont feel this is about a different way of seeing things. This is some of you refusing to admit to being thankful. Would you have been just as happy/content if Lewis never retired? I doubt it.
Edited by Seanspeed, 11 January 2013 - 20:15.
#43
Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:33
There is no such thing as luck. Some teams do a better job in producing reliable cars, and when other teams produce unreliable cars, it is inferior job and you can't say that is out of your control...As for luck not existing, it definitely does. Anything that happens that is completely out of your control is generally what 'luck' is.
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I could even add 'irrational'.This isn't 'romanticism'. This is basic, common sense stuff.
Ha ha, are you serious with sentences like this?..This is some of you refusing to admit to being thankful. ..
#44
Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:46
There is no such thing as luck. Some teams do a better job in producing reliable cars, and when other teams produce unreliable cars, it is inferior job and you can't say that is out of your control.
So Vettel breaking down in Valenica was in his control? Or Hamilton breaking down in Singapore & AbDab was in his control? No they weren't, hence it is bad luck for them.
If a plane fell out of the sky and landed on you would that be not be bad luck? If a plane fell out of the sky and landed two feet away from you then would that not be good luck? You have no control over what happened just like Vettel and Hamilton and no control over the situation so it is bad luck for them.
#45
Posted 12 January 2013 - 11:34
Examples:
Spa crash. It wasn't bad luck for Grosjean and Hamilton (both could have changed the outcome although Grosjean was at fault). But for Alonso and Perez it was bad luck, they had basically zero chances there. I don't count fighting for position and crashing as bad luck even if the other one was at fault.
And if car breaks down, it is bad luck if it is caused by SUBCONTRACTOR'S mistake. If it is caused by TEAM'S mistake, it isn't bad luck. And if a subcontractor does the same mistake a few times and there have been enough time to fix the problem (or change the subcontractor) it ceases to be bad luck, because TEAM could have done something about it. So I think that alternator was bad luck atleast earlier in the season. Later on they had time to do something about it, but was it enough I don't know. If alternator breaks next season, it is by no means bad luck. It is a known issue and team has had a year to fix that. But car failures are a little tricky to judge, because we spectators have only limited information. Can't always be sure whether team was responsible or not.
#46
Posted 12 January 2013 - 19:22
Edited by Seanspeed, 12 January 2013 - 19:27.