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[DanTra2858]

I have been wondering who have raced Ferrari,s in Australia & what model they were, lets start post WW2 and see if a data base can be established.

Should the modern GP cars be included as from the first race in Adelaide to current in Melbourne, the topic is open to all types of Ferrari.

[seldo]

I have been wondering who have raced Ferrari,s in Australia & what model they were, lets start post WW2 and see if a data base can be established.

Should the modern GP cars be included as from the first race in Adelaide to current in Melbourne, the topic is open to all types of Ferrari.

Any particular reason for posting this 3 times Dan?
Any particular reason for posting this 3 times Dan?
Any particular reason for posting this 3 times Dan?...;)

[DanTra2858]

Any particular reason for posting this 3 times Dan?
Any particular reason for posting this 3 times Dan?
Any particular reason for posting this 3 times Dan?...;)

Yes there is my ipad came back & told me that there was an error then on
trying again the program told me the same, how do I delete two of them?

[Ray Bell]

You can't...

You send a message to Twinny and he can delete the other two. Best way might be to click on 'report this post' on one of them.

[Ray Bell]

And in answer...

One Ferrari that raced in Australia was the Scuderia Veloce 250LM. It was driven at different times by:

Spencer Martin
David McKay
Andy Buchanan
Jackie Stewart
Bill Brown
Greg Cusack
Ian Geoghegan
Leo Geoghegan

The P4 that Scuderia Veloce entered was driven by:

Chris Amon
Bill Brown
Jim Palmer

[Ray Bell]

Another 250LM was entered in the 1966 Surfers 12-hour, it was driven by Jackie Eptstein and Paul Hawkins.

David Piper and Richard Attwood drove a 365P2 in that race.

[ken devine]

What about the Dick Gobden Ferrari V12 later Corvette powered and the Lex Davison Ferrari 625 later raced in WA by Doug Green.
As it happened both cars finished up in WA they are know in the Donnington Museum.

[275 GTB-4]

What about the Dick Gobden Ferrari V12 later Corvette powered and the Lex Davison Ferrari 625 later raced in WA by Doug Green.
As it happened both cars finished up in WA they are know in the Donnington Museum.

Peter Whitehead's Ferrari 125 #4 (0114) was at NZGP 1954, in the same year the car was sold to Dick Cobden.

[SJ Lambert]

Would I be right in having a recollection of seeing some of my Dad's shots of Arnold Glass at Longford in about 1958 in a 555 Super Squalo?

[DanTra2858]

You can't...

You send a message to Twinny and he can delete the other two. Best way might be to click on 'report this post' on one of them.

Thanks Ray, I have sent a message to Twinnie, Where do I find "Report this Post"

[Ray Bell]

Under your name, at the bottom of the post...

It just has a button with 'REPORT' on it.

[Macca]

1960 Ferrari 256 F1 (Italian GP winner for Phil Hill), was fitted with a 3-L V12 for Pat Hoare; c/n 0007 but renumbered 0788F. Was later fitted with Aussie-made body bit like 1964 GTO, later bought by Neil Corner with all original removed parts and restored, now with Tony Smith and has V6 engine again.

Paul M

[David McKinney]

The thread's about Australian Ferraris, Paul, not New Zealand ones
The Hoare car never had an Australian-made body

[DanTra2858]

Under your name, at the bottom of the post...

It just has a button with 'REPORT' on it.

Done, thanks Ray

[Ray Bell]

Okay, that's settled...

Now we have the Tasman cars, of which I think I'm safe in saying there were three separate cars.

Chris Amon drove one with a 3-valve motor in 1968

He also drove one with a 4-valve motor in 1969 while the other was driven by Derek Bell. The Amon car was then taken over by Graeme Lawrence who raced it in Australia in 1970. I think it's correct to say that these were different chassis to the car raced here in 1968 - which has also been raced at Tasman Revival events by Rob Hall.

Another car which raced was a 250GT 2+2 owned by Laurie O'Neil and raced by David McKay. I don't know if this was the Bushell car but I'm sure John Medley and others will.

[austmcreg]

Another car which raced was a 250GT 2+2 owned by Laurie O'Neil and raced by David McKay.

Ray,
If you are thinking of the white 250GT that David McKay raced in 1961, it was owned by Tony Oxley, not Laurie O'Neil. It was rather embarrassed at Longford, a circuit that should have suited it, by Leo Geoghegan in the Lotus Elite and Gavin Youl's Porsche Super. Having said that I think the Ferrari was in standard trim, whereas the Elite and Porsche were both well developed.

Rob Saward

[Ray Bell]

I picked up the Laurie O'Neil mention from John's Bathurst book, Rob...

I believe Tony Oxley was a part of the Bushell business, I had understood he was a son of someone in the top echelon there but I don't really know. Maybe they'd bought the car from Laurie O'Neil?

John would probably know.

[Patrick Fletcher]

Would I be right in having a recollection of seeing some of my Dad's shots of Arnold Glass at Longford in about 1958 in a 555 Super Squalo?

The two Super Squalo cars [Parnell & Whitehead] were first in Australia for the 1956 Albert Park Olympic event before going on to NZ for the 1957 series and sold to NZ owners.
Then Australia again, with Tom Clark 9001 [back to NZ] and John McMillian 9002 [on sold to Arnold Glass]

Edited by Patrick Fletcher, 29 January 2013 - 09:10.

[Lola5000]

The GTB275/4 that did the 12 hour Surfers paradise race now owned by Max Lane.
Ferrari 212 Inter #203EL Bill Lowe
212 # 0112/E ex Andy Brown
Monza 750s #0462MD Stan Coffey
Type 125 F1/114 Dick Cobden
Type 500/625 Davo's car
Type 555 chassis 2 Arnold Glass

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by Lola5000
The GTB275/4 that did the 12 hour Surfers paradise race now owned by Max Lane.
Ferrari 212 Inter #203EL Bill Lowe
212 # 0112/E ex Andy Brown.....

The thread is about who raced the cars...

Can you put these into the list?

[Lola5000]

The thread is about who raced the cars...

Can you put these into the list?

Ferrari 275/C Phil West/George Reynolds
212 Inter #203EL hillclimbed by Bill Lowe Rob Roy hillclimb including Australian championship 1952 ,3rd in class.
212 Inter #0112/E Australian TT Albert Park 1956 Keith Jones,also raced by Nino Sacilotto.

[Repco22]

Let's not forget that Bill Patterson relieved Lex and drove the winning Davison 500/625 for about eighteen of the seventy laps in the '57 AGP. He was nominated as a relief driver due to the expected heat but had never driven the car before--not even in practice!

[ken devine]

Does Bill Downey count he drove the Ferrari Corvette in practise for the 1962 AGP before it was outed through engine problems.

[Ray Bell]

He drove it other times too, didn't he?

By the way, if anyone knows about Laurie O'Neil and the 250GT, did he hillclimb it?

Do hillclimbs count? If so, you'd have a hard time leaving out other types of circuit events, that would mean including entrants in the modern Ferrari rallies that go from circuit to circuit in Australia.

[Ray Bell]

How could I forget?

The Kelly brothers, Des and Bill, raced the Arnold Glass car later, with it going on to be run in Historics by Noel Tuckey.

[DanTra2858]

He drove it other times too, didn't he?

By the way, if anyone knows about Laurie O'Neil and the 250GT, did he hillclimb it?

Do hillclimbs count? If so, you'd have a hard time leaving out other types of circuit events, that would mean including entrants in the modern Ferrari rallies that go from circuit to circuit in Australia.

The first words of this thread were "I have been wondering who have raced Ferrari,s in Australia & what model they were.", Racing to me is an organised event against other competitors & against the clock.

I do believe that that would include what you suggest Ray

[DanTra2858]

The thread's about Australian Ferraris, Paul, not New Zealand ones
The Hoare car never had an Australian-made body

David the Thread is about Who raced Ferrari in Australia, not Australian Ferrari so if the 256 raced at Sandown in 1962 as it did then it counts.

A photo of the car can be found on the Aussie Road Racing URL.

[ken devine]

That was the only time the Ferrari Corvette was run at a racemeeting in WA, Jim Harwood bought it to a standing quarter sprint but it didn't take part in the event. The car was used for a privete filming session at Caversham possibly driven by Bill.

[ellrosso]

John McMillan,Squalo at Bathurst, Arthur Griffiths,Squalo at Lowood and Tony Gaze, 500 or 555 at Orange. Anyone mention Curly Brydon yet?

[Ray Bell]

Nobody mentioned Curly Brydon yet...

John Medley has some names to add, I understand.

[onelung]

Stan Coffey et al ... ? (1955 to 1980).
http://www.barchetta...2m.750monza.htm

Edited by onelung, 30 January 2013 - 12:17.

[DanTra2858]

David the Thread is about Who raced Ferrari in Australia, not Australian Ferrari so if the 256 raced at Sandown in 1962 as it did then it counts.

A photo of the car can be found on the Aussie Road Racing URL.

Sandown Park, 12 Mar 1962

Results Laps Time/Speed

11 Pat Hoare (libre) 3-litre Ferrari Dino 246/60 [0007] - Testa Rossa V12 #19

[DanTra2858]

The 250GT Appendix K Ferrari driven by David McKay was that the Ferrari that was well & truly beaten by Doug Heasman in his FE Holden at Warwick Farm in the last race of the day, if not then it was still one hell of a race.

[D-Type]

Don't overlook this 500/625

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by DanTra2858
The 250GT Appendix K Ferrari driven by David McKay was that the Ferrari that was well & truly beaten by Doug Heasman in his FE Holden at Warwick Farm in the last race of the day, if not then it was still one hell of a race.

This would have had to have been pre-October 1962 as I know I wasn't there...

To my knowledge, Doug Heasman didn't race until the very late sixties.

[Ray Bell]

Your are right, Duncan...

That car is glossed over, though mentioned in post 19 and by Repco22 in post 22... but Doug Green has been omitted.

I wonder why I've never seen that thread before? Marvellous stuff!

[ken devine]

Doug Green's ownership was mentioned in my post no7

[Ray Bell]

Sorry Ken, I missed that...

Were there any other Ferraris ran in the 6-hour?

[ken devine]

Only the 250lm in 1965&66

[DanTra2858]

This would have had to have been pre-October 1962 as I know I wasn't there...

To my knowledge, Doug Heasman didn't race until the very late sixties.

If it was not Heasman then who was it, I remember that it was a cracker of a race & all in the stands went berserk at a Holden beating a Farrari.

What a top story on the 500/625

[DanTra2858]

On Page 1 of http://aussieroadracing.homestead.com/ there is a photo of Nino Saccilotto Farrari Coupe, what model is it & how many events did it compete in, was he the only driver of this car.

[Lola5000]

On Page 1 of http://aussieroadracing.homestead.com/ there is a photo of Nino Saccilotto Farrari Coupe, what model is it & how many events did it compete in, was he the only driver of this car.

i think it did one meeting Albert Park.
At Bathurst practiced but never raced?
In about 1978 it was for sale for about $25,000 told my father to buy it,by the time he got to Seaford was sold,friend of mine now bought it sold it about 1 year latter for $80,000 odd ,todays value I'd say 3 million plus.

[Shane Bowden]

i think it did one meeting Albert Park.
At Bathurst practiced but never raced?
In about 1978 it was for sale for about $25,000 told my father to buy it,by the time he got to Seaford was sold,friend of mine now bought it sold it about 1 year latter for $80,000 odd ,todays value I'd say 3 million plus.

Hi Lola, as a 25 yr old in 1977 I was taking my recently purchased PRAD Holden special, $500 as a going concern, to a friends place in Malvern near the railway line & Toorak Rd for some work prior to competing in the 1st All Historic Winton, for him to do some work. To access his laneway I had to enter from a side street and passed a a house that had an intersting shape under a cover in the carport. I went back later and knocked on the door and it was answered by Dr Henderson? and the interesting shape was a Ferrari 250 Lusso. I expressed an interest in the car and was told to forget about it as he had something better in the shed. This was the Nino Sacilotto 225 Ferrari coupe. He then took me for a ride down the south eastern freeway in the unregistered car. Not much in the way of mufflers, no sound proofing and the glorious sound of the V12 and the 5 speed crash box. A highly entertaning ride and I was smitten. He told me he would like the car to go to an enthusiast and the car could be mine $20,000 including a spare engine, gearbox and numerous other parts.

I was living at home and was about to buy my first house and told my parents I was going to buy the Ferrari instead. They talked me out it saying that a house would be a far better investment! I wish I had gone with my insinct. Oh well 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing!

The ferrari was purchased by Bill Alexander and then went to Clisby in SA. I thought this was a nice symmetry as my friends Mario Costa/Frank Curcio had an Elfin mono in their shed which was the Mono that had the Clisby V6 in it. I still have the PRAD which gives me much enjoyment, possibly at a cost that I can afford!

Regards Shane

[wenoopy]

I don't see any mention of the two 750 Monza Ferraris brought out by Ken Wharton and Peter Whitehead for the 1956 Australian Tourist Trophy at Albert Park, the week before the "Olympic" GP.

Stu

[Lola5000]

Hi Lola, as a 25 yr old in 1977 I was taking my recently purchased PRAD Holden special, $500 as a going concern, to a friends place in Malvern near the railway line & Toorak Rd for some work prior to competing in the 1st All Historic Winton, for him to do some work. To access his laneway I had to enter from a side street and passed a a house that had an intersting shape under a cover in the carport. I went back later and knocked on the door and it was answered by Dr Henderson? and the interesting shape was a Ferrari 250 Lusso. I expressed an interest in the car and was told to forget about it as he had something better in the shed. This was the Nino Sacilotto 225 Ferrari coupe. He then took me for a ride down the south eastern freeway in the unregistered car. Not much in the way of mufflers, no sound proofing and the glorious sound of the V12 and the 5 speed crash box. A highly entertaning ride and I was smitten. He told me he would like the car to go to an enthusiast and the car could be mine $20,000 including a spare engine, gearbox and numerous other parts.

I was living at home and was about to buy my first house and told my parents I was going to buy the Ferrari instead. They talked me out it saying that a house would be a far better investment! I wish I had gone with my insinct. Oh well 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing!

The ferrari was purchased by Bill Alexander and then went to Clisby in SA. I thought this was a nice symmetry as my friends Mario Costa/Frank Curcio had an Elfin mono in their shed which was the Mono that had the Clisby V6 in it. I still have the PRAD which gives me much enjoyment, possibly at a cost that I can afford!

Regards Shane

Hi Shane,the owner was at the time,Ian Fergusson,BA bought it via a dealer in Seaford.
"Hendo" is a Porsche man with a Fab collection.Small world BA is one of my best friends and I lunch with Hendo and others often.
for about 10 years I had a Elfin Mono #6441 with a twin/cam.
regards Rob Bailey.

[Ray Bell]

Ian Fergusson?

For real? I never knew he had any of that kind of stuff out there at Dunedoo...

[Lola5000]

Ian Fergusson?

For real? I never knew he had any of that kind of stuff out there at Dunedoo...

Hi Ray,thats the name i have,address i don't know.

[Paul Hamilton]

Ian Fergusson?

For real? I never knew he had any of that kind of stuff out there at Dunedoo...

I think it must be a different Ian Fergusson, Ray. I agree that the Dunedoo Fergys were not into Ferraris at all.

[Stinky]

Hi Guys;
A bit off topic I know.
There was a meeting at the Farm and Ian Ferguson had an almighty lose betwwen the exit of The Causeway and Polo Corner drivers left.
The three of us on the Fire Tender took off as he had taken out quite a bit of fencing and watering system.
Arrive at the incident and there was a piece of the water pipe under the side of his helmet.
We had been involved in another serious incident a few weeks before.
When we arrived at the car I think the general thought was "Not another one."
Get closer and Ian,cool as a cucumber undoes the helmet and takes it off.
His first words were "I,m OK guys, I knew there was a corner coming up but forgot to brake!!"
From memory it was a meeting or so before he crashed at Suttons at Oran Park and the car caught fire.
Cheers.
Roger.

[Lola5000]

I think it must be a different Ian Fergusson, Ray. I agree that the Dunedoo Fergys were not into Ferraris at all.

Hi Paul,the same Ian owned a Ferrari Lusso GT....but lived in South Yarra Melbourne.