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#51 SR388

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 20:38

More importantly Jeff Gordon is fast!

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#52 ApexMouse

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 20:41

You haven't mentioned.

my five star rating! :cry:

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#53 nosaj100

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 20:42

The cynic in me had a feeling about this.

First race with the new gen. cars. First full season for Danica. Daytona 500 Pole - mega PR.

Not surprised at all.


You can be cynical. She didn't win because she can drive better than anyone down there today. She won because Hendrick's engine department is on point. It's no coincidence her SHR teammates and Gordon are right there with her. I think all the JGR teams ran almost identical too so they're strong as well. So racewise, and this is applies to anyone who would have won it not just her, the pole doesn't mean much of anything at all. It's a plate track. You literally don't do much more but hold the pedal to the floor and point.

PR wise, its great for NASCAR and her. She can always say she was the first woman to win a pole and NASCAR has a good reason to promote the 500 all week in media that might not have paid much attention. More eyeballs might tune in...but they'll fall asleep if its anything like that race last night. Yeesh.

Edited by nosaj100, 17 February 2013 - 20:44.


#54 SR388

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 20:49

You haven't mentioned.


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#55 Bloggsworth

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 20:53

You literally don't do much more but hold the pedal to the floor and point.


Bilgiferous drivel.

When all you have to do is put pedal to the metal and point, you have to be able to steer the subtlest of lines to minimise all the forces working against the car. You have to waste no steering input at all as the slightest extraneous wheel movement will scrub off speed, you have to be on exactly the right line at all times to minimise rolling resistance, that takes skill and patience and is never down to luck. Gordon and Patrick have clearly got a handle on the new car and its characteristics; but I suppose that you know that their engines produce more power than anybody else's, you being in the know, unlike the rest of us...

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#56 Dilla

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 20:55

Bilgiferous drivel.

When all you have to do is put pedal to the metal and point, you have to be able to steer the subtlest of lines to minimise all the forces working against the car. You have to waste no steering input at all as the slightest extraneous wheel movement will scrub off speed, you have to be on exactly the right line at all times to minimise rolling resistance, that takes skill and patience and is never down to luck. Gordon and Patrick have clearly got a handle on the new car and its characteristics; but I suppose that you know that their engines produce more power than anybody else's, you being in the know, unlike the rest of us...

He's probably watched plate qualifying longer than you.

Edited by Dilla, 17 February 2013 - 20:58.


#57 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 20:57

Bilgiferous drivel.


Uhm, it's pretty much what Danica said.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 20:59

Bilgiferous drivel.

When all you have to do is put pedal to the metal and point, you have to be able to steer the subtlest of lines to minimise all the forces working against the car. You have to waste no steering input at all as the slightest extraneous wheel movement will scrub off speed, you have to be on exactly the right line at all times to minimise rolling resistance, that takes skill and patience and is never down to luck. Gordon and Patrick have clearly got a handle on the new car and its characteristics; but I suppose that you know that their engines produce more power than anybody else's, you being in the know, unlike the rest of us...

Dude...Dale Jr said a trained monkey could qualify a car at Daytona.

Not saying I could jump in there and put an SHR/Hendrick car on the front row tomorrow, but any even borderline competent driver in NASCAR should be able to do it. All this says is that Danica is competent when alone on the track, which we all knew anyway.


Also, thanks for the B-day wishes. Here is the actual birthday cake for this year. It was custom made.

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#59 Dilla

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:01

Dude...Dale Jr said a trained monkey could qualify a car at Daytona.

That was Jimmie Johnson that said that, unless Jr. said it as well.

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#60 Magoo

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:02

People forget Danica was also a very good qualifier in Indy cars, especially at the Speedway. So good that people speculated that her small frame gave her an unfair advantage, and the series rewrote its rules regarding car/driver weight.

Robby Gordon said she was so Not Fair he would never race against her, which I especially enjoyed. Big bad Dakar hero whining like a little bitch, now that's entertainment.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:06

Bilgiferous drivel.

When all you have to do is put pedal to the metal and point, you have to be able to steer the subtlest of lines to minimise all the forces working against the car. You have to waste no steering input at all as the slightest extraneous wheel movement will scrub off speed, you have to be on exactly the right line at all times to minimise rolling resistance, that takes skill and patience and is never down to luck. Gordon and Patrick have clearly got a handle on the new car and its characteristics; but I suppose that you know that their engines produce more power than anybody else's, you being in the know, unlike the rest of us...



Geez. Calm down. I didn't say she's a no talent hack that didn't earn it. She raced under the same conditions as everyone else and got it done. What I'm saying is the realities of plate track qualifying aren't all that challenging and are far and away less driver dependent than any other track on the circuit. It's been that way for a long time. It transfers over into the races themselves some too. It's still more about the car but with the added element of a driver being able to pick and choose his spots when a line moves, no small feat for sure but also something that doesn't translate anywhere else

#62 nosaj100

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:08

People forget Danica was also a very good qualifier in Indy cars, especially at the Speedway. So good that people speculated that her small frame gave her an unfair advantage, and the series rewrote its rules regarding car/driver weight.



NASCAR has minimum weight requirements, correct? If drivers are under certain weight, they add ballast I believe. But do other cars drop weight to hit the minimum if you're driver is say, Tony Stewart? That pound advantage may explain the difference between the 10 and 14 since they ran so close time wise

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:14

For anybody on either side of the aisle getting all bent out of shape, keep in mind that she's joined the likes of former 500 polesitters Loy Allen Jr., Mike Skinner, Jeff Green and David Gilliland. It's a historic feat, but it's by no means a harbinger of success.

#64 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:14

Looking at the video comparison, it did look like there was some wind. Don't take my word for it, JG said it too. She did very well yeah, but it wasn't all down to hugging the yellow line down the backstraight(which wouldn't matter) like Waltrip was harping on about.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:15

Im taking the bite and enter the discussion.

The cynic in me says two things:
Danica started to behave more like a race driver around the time someone on this forum vented the possibility that GoDaddy could drop her, and let's be honest, she is not getting younger, if she actually wants to be the Shirley Muldowney of oval racing she better start getting her act straight now, Nascar will not wait as long as the IRL did.

Her pole comes 2 days after a hopeless driver got a front row on the same track, so her feat, while unique and indeed historic in the Sprint Cup and Daytona 500, is sort of tarnished by equipment circumstances. Since Sarah Fischer did 3 laps at Indy we had an handfull of women try a Formula 1 car, neither of them was Danica, I think it's a sign that a lot of people don't take her seriously.

Congratulations to her, but just a pole is not enough, Toyota F1 will tell you that. I will write of her the same I wrote for all other females, it's up to her to prove her critics wrong. She wants to loose the pony? Start racing.

Edited by Red17, 17 February 2013 - 21:17.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:17

When a circuit is easy for anyone to lap quickly, it is all the harder to lap it more quickly than anyone else...

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:17

NASCAR has minimum weight requirements, correct? If drivers are under certain weight, they add ballast I believe. But do other cars drop weight to hit the minimum if you're driver is say, Tony Stewart? That pound advantage may explain the difference between the 10 and 14 since they ran so close time wise

NASCAR will add up to 40 pounds for a driver if they weigh under 180lb.
Danica weighs probably 110lb, so even with that 40lb there is definitely an advantage.
Jeff Gordon, also mini-sized, in P2.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:18

Congrats to Danica. Even if it is a car dependent pole she still beat all the other drivers at Stewart/Hendrick racing in the same equipment. The teammates she beat are pretty stellar.

First woman on NASCAR Cup pole, you can't ever take that away

edit: BTW - I almost didn't recognize Krista Voda with her dark hair.

Edited by Watkins74, 17 February 2013 - 21:46.


#69 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:20

When a circuit is easy for anyone to lap quickly, it is all the harder to lap it more quickly than anyone else...


No, not really. And it's not having a go at Danica to say that. 5 of the top 6 cars come out of the same factory. She did really really well, but she didn't slay the field either. You'd know this if you followed racing instead of Danica-snippets so you could troll.

#70 Bloggsworth

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:20

Danica started to behave more like a race driver around the time someone on this forum vented the possibility that GoDaddy could drop her...


Wow! I never realised that this forum was so powerful - Today Daytona, tomorrow the world!

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:24

Wow! I never realised that this forum was so powerful - Today Daytona, tomorrow the world!


Hey man, were already getting rid of tilke and Karthikeyan.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:25

First woman on NASCAR Cup pole, you can't ever take that away

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:49

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#74 Bloggsworth

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:59

No, not really. And it's not having a go at Danica to say that. 5 of the top 6 cars come out of the same factory. She did really really well, but she didn't slay the field either. You'd know this if you followed racing instead of Danica-snippets so you could troll.



Poor Ross, so sad for you - Unless you started watching motor-racing before 1956, you haven't been watching it as long as I have.

I can't image the scale of mass suicides in the unlikely event Patrick does win a race, there will be dozens of forum members tossing themselves off their high horses...

Edited by Bloggsworth, 17 February 2013 - 22:04.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 22:02

Still waiting for Danica's POLE Dance.

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But I guess only Stallionhouse will see it tonight. :cry:

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 22:10

Still waiting for Danica's POLE Dance.

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But I guess only Stallionhouse will see it tonight. :cry:

Studhouse is ready:

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 22:19

Wow! I never realised that this forum was so powerful - Today Daytona, tomorrow the world!

Here is the link to the post linked the rumour.
You should take notice that Danica mentioned twice on her interview on Fox the patience that Godaddy has with her. So yes, I do think her apparent rise in results is related to a possible change of heart from the main sponsor.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 23:05

Wow! I never realised that this forum was so powerful

Go Bloggsworth

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#79 Magoo

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 23:11

I love it when Danica makes the boy race fans cry. Waaaa!



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Posted 17 February 2013 - 23:18

2013 Duel 150 Race 1 Starting Lineup

Pos. No. Driver Make Time Speed

1 10 Danica Patrick # Chv 45.817 196.434
2 21 Trevor Bayne(i) Frd 45.924 195.976
3 14 Tony Stewart Chv 45.936 195.925
4 11 Denny Hamlin Tyt 45.972 195.771
5 22 Joey Logano Frd 45.973 195.767
6 88 Dale Earnhardt, Jr. Chv 46.016 195.584
7 42 Juan Pablo Montoya Chv 46.034 195.508
8 13 Casey Mears Frd 46.037 195.495
9 99 Carl Edwards Frd 46.097 195.240
10 56 Martin Truex, Jr. Tyt 46.105 195.207
11 48 Jimmie Johnson Chv 46.134 195.084
12 2 Brad Keselowski Frd 46.163 194.961
13 29 Kevin Harvick Chv 46.215 194.742
14 16 Greg Biffle Frd 46.218 194.729
15 38 David Gilliland Frd 46.236 194.654
16 26 Michael Waltrip Tyt 46.317 194.313
17 78 Kurt Busch Chv 46.474 193.657
18 95 Scott Speed Frd 46.502 193.540
19 51 Regan Smith(i) Chv 46.609 193.096
20 47 Bobby Labonte Tyt 46.738 192.563
21 83 David Reutimann Tyt 47.284 190.339
22 87 Joe Nemechek(i) Tyt 47.357 190.046
23 52 Brian Keselowski Tyt 48.946 183.876


2013 Duel 150 Race 2 Starting Lineup

Pos. No. Driver Make Time Speed

1 24 Jeff Gordon Chv 45.850 196.292
2 39 Ryan Newman Chv 45.931 195.946
3 5 Kasey Kahne Chv 45.953 195.852
4 18 Kyle Busch Tyt 45.973 195.767
5 20 Matt Kenseth Tyt 45.983 195.725
6 17 Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. # Frd 46.027 195.537
7 27 Paul Menard Chv 46.035 195.503
8 33 Austin Dillon(i) Chv 46.063 195.385
9 15 Clint Bowyer Tyt 46.100 195.228
10 31 Jeff Burton Chv 46.117 195.156
11 1 Jamie McMurray Chv 46.144 195.042
12 9 Marcos Ambrose Frd 46.203 194.793
13 43 Aric Almirola Frd 46.215 194.742
14 55 Mark Martin Tyt 46.229 194.683
15 34 David Ragan Frd 46.245 194.616
16 35 Josh Wise Frd 46.331 194.254
17 98 Michael McDowell Frd 46.501 193.544
18 32 Terry Labonte Frd 46.508 193.515
19 7 Dave Blaney Chv 46.633 192.996
20 36 JJ Yeley Chv 46.852 192.094
21 93 Travis Kvapil Tyt 47.333 190.142
22 19 Mike Bliss(i) Tyt 47.509 189.438

Locked in the 500:

#10-Patrick (Pole)
#24-Gordon (Outside Pole)
#21-Bayne (Speed)
#39-Newman (Speed)
#14-Stewart (Speed)
#5-Kahne (Speed)
#11-Hamlin (2012 Top 6 Owners' Points)
#17-Stenhouse Jr [2012 Top 6 Owners' Points (Bumped in due to Kahne's qualifying speed)]
#15-Bowyer (2012 Top 6 Owners' Points)
#48-Johnson (2012 Top 6 Owners' Points)
#2-Keselowski (2012 Top 6 Owners' Points)
#16-Biffle (2012 Top 6 Owners' Points)
#78-Busch [Champions Provisional (Bumped in due to Stewart's speed, and Johnson/Keselowski's 2012 Owner's Points)]



#81 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:06

Poor Ross, so sad for you - Unless you started watching motor-racing before 1956, you haven't been watching it as long as I have.

I can't image the scale of mass suicides in the unlikely event Patrick does win a race, there will be dozens of forum members tossing themselves off their high horses...


What's it going to take to get rid of you? You really add nothing to the NASCAR threads.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:19

Poor Ross, so sad for you - Unless you started watching motor-racing before 1956, you haven't been watching it as long as I have.

I can't image the scale of mass suicides in the unlikely event Patrick does win a race, there will be dozens of forum members tossing themselves off their high horses...

On this forum? I don't think so. I think you'll find the vast majority of regulars on here would like to see her win a race.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:21

NASCAR will add up to 40 pounds for a driver if they weigh under 180lb.
Danica weighs probably 110lb, so even with that 40lb there is definitely an advantage.
Jeff Gordon, also mini-sized, in P2.


Thanks. I knew they had some sort of rule but couldn't remember the specifics. So if that's the case then it is quite reasonable to see why her (and Gordon) out ran their counterparts in Newman and Stewart. Amazing how that stuff shows up on the stop watch, at least to me. The science of it all interests me more than the personalities often times.


And it looks like Duel 1 will be the race to watch. Lots of heavy hitters in that one

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:22

The thing is we'd all like to see Danica win but to be honest she's often shown pace in her career but never grabbed a car by the scruff-of-the-neck in a race and forced a win from pure controlled aggression and determination. I predict she will fall into the pack and cling to the inside for the whole race.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:29

Getting ahead of ourselves, but doesn't this pole also mean she's in next years "Sprint Unlimited" snorefest? Nice bit of promo for them already, sure that'll please some marketing bods!

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:31

Yes to Whatever-it-will-be-called Shootout for 2014.

And locked in to pole/front row for the 500. Patrick and Gordon will still race in the duels but their starting position won't change unless they change an engine(?) or car before the 500.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:31

Getting ahead of ourselves, but doesn't this pole also mean she's in next years "Sprint Unlimited" snorefest? Nice bit of promo for them already, sure that'll please some marketing bods!


Yep, but who knows really. NASCAR seems to change the format every year now so the field could be anything. After that last one, they should change it.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:37

So, the last ones in each duel will not race the race? (last ones of the drivers not locked in the 500 that is)

Does that mean if Kyle Busch retires on lap 1 form the second duel, he won't race in the 500? (Probably going to by himself in again...)

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:44

Is this still stuck on Premiere Sports in the UK?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:45

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WOW, one pole and she already got the Vettel fever.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:45

Kyle Bush will be in 500 along with all the guaranteed starters.This is NASCAR and its only the underfunded strugs that go home.Some of the old winners who are guaranteed a start should as at least one is set to cause first big stack up.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:48

So, the last ones in each duel will not race the race? (last ones of the drivers not locked in the 500 that is)

Does that mean if Kyle Busch retires on lap 1 form the second duel, he won't race in the 500? (Probably going to by himself in again...)



Kyle Bush will be in 500 along with all the guaranteed starters.This is NASCAR and its only the underfunded strugs that go home.Some of the old winners who are guaranteed a start should as at least one is set to cause first big stack up.


The rules say...

The top six qualifiers on Sunday are locked into the race on speed no matter what, but the starting position of the third-through-sixth-place qualifiers won't be determined until the Duels are run. For the past eight seasons, with 35 cars locked in before they ever got to the race track, the functional purpose of the Duels was to set the starting order and to determine which two back markers from each race would ride shotgun on the field at the start of the Daytona 500. This year, things have changed -- dramatically. The Duels will now determine not only the starting positions of the first 32 cars but also who actually makes the race. Finish in the top 15 in your Duel, and you're in the Daytona 500 -- simple as that.

Positions 33-36 are filled by the four fastest cars from time trials that 1) aren't on the front row and 2) don't transfer from the Duels. Positions 37-42 go to the top six cars in owner points not otherwise qualified. The final spot goes to a past champion or a seventh provisional starter, as with the general procedure for all races. If the new format multiplies the suspense of the Duels from a fan's standpoint, it also will lead to some white knuckles inside the race cars. A major wreck in one of the Duels, one that involves a number of top drivers, could create havoc with the starting field


So I guess your scenario would most likely put Kyle out. He's 8th in qualifying so can't fall back on that and he was outside the chase last year so there would be a decent amount of people ahead of him.

But he'd have a decent chance. It's unlikely the other people finishing at the back will be front runners from the 2012 points.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:53


So, the last ones in each duel will not race the race? (last ones of the drivers not locked in the 500 that is)

Does that mean if Kyle Busch retires on lap 1 form the second duel, he won't race in the 500? (Probably going to by himself in again...)

Here is the info I found and posted in the Sprint Unlimited thread.

The front-row qualifiers and the highest 15 finishers in each Duel – excluding the front row from qualifying – will earn a spot in the Daytona 500.
The next four fastest Coors Light Pole qualifiers will make up positions 33-36.
Six provisional starting positions (37 through 42) will be awarded to the highest eligible car owners in final 2012 standings not otherwise qualified for the race.
The 43rd position will be filled by the most recent past champion participating in a 2012 event. Should no past champion be eligible, the final position goes to the next highest owner in 2012 points.


I'm guessing, even if Kyle gets into trouble early, he'll slot into the 37-42 category.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 00:56

With Brian Keselowski in Duel 1 , everyone is probably breathing easy. Even with a big wreck, I don't see Keselowski even lasting on the track that long. He looks to far gone for even little brother to help him this year. Car sounded sick in qualifying (and it almost didn't even start) and I doubt they have a back-up engine.

Duel 2 is the one to watch for a surprise.

Edited by Dilla, 18 February 2013 - 00:59.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:03

I just remembered this:

Go KyBu

So nope he's screwed.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:11

NASCAR will add up to 40 pounds for a driver if they weigh under 180lb.
Danica weighs probably 110lb, so even with that 40lb there is definitely an advantage.
Jeff Gordon, also mini-sized, in P2.

https://twitter.com/...291607103455233

@keselowski
"Fyi
Lighter cars at super speedways= disadvantage.
Every where else- advantage.
Look for conspiracies some where else pls."

@TheChrisPierce: But she has to add weight bro. Thats all Im sayin.
@keselowski: She adds some weight not the full 200, and all before tech. ”

Edited by V3TT3L, 18 February 2013 - 01:21.


#97 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:14

Why would heavier be better, but only at Daytona?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:19

https://twitter.com/...291607103455233

Fyi-Lighter cars at super speedways= disadvantage.
Every where else- advantage.
Look for conspiracies some where else pls.

Huh. Interesting. Wouldn't have thought that's the case. I'm sure we'll get some kind of analysis this week.

In other news, Tony Stewart sets Daytona Land Speed Record. :rotfl:

Edited by gm914, 18 February 2013 - 01:21.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:26

Huh. Interesting. Wouldn't have thought that's the case. I'm sure we'll get some kind of analysis this week.

In other news, Tony Stewart sets Daytona Land Speed Record. :rotfl:

:eek: That means Danica was handicaped.
The weight factor was actually playing against her.

Then, all that is left is the Hendricks super engine myth.
Somebody call the Mythbusters. :lol:

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 02:49

Amazing how much press Danica is getting for her pole run. NASCAR must be overjoyed.....and Go Daddy as well.

edit: Where's that guy Danicafan? I hope the excitement wasn't to much for her #1 fan.

Edited by Watkins74, 18 February 2013 - 02:53.