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[Ferrari2183]

Yabba Dabba Doo...

@ivanF1
#F1
The newspaper Corriere dello Sport announced the recovery of #Ferrari’s political power, lost in recent years, in Formula One

@ivanF1
#F1
Todt’s #FIA with #Ecclestone approval give #Ferrari veto power for future sport and technical regulations in Formula One

Let the **** hit the fan again.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Yabba Dabba Doo...

@ivanF1
#F1
The newspaper Corriere dello Sport announced the recovery of #Ferrari’s political power, lost in recent years, in Formula One

@ivanF1
#F1
Todt’s #FIA with #Ecclestone approval give #Ferrari veto power for future sport and technical regulations in Formula One

Let the **** hit the fan again.

Uh ohhhh!

[spacekid]

That's interesting. I wonder what, if any, effect it will have on the engine regs? I know neither Ferrari nor Bernie are keen, but surely its too late to affect that?

[Disgrace]

Let the **** hit the fan again.

Old news, if anything, it will be like this.

[Mc_Silver]

Yabba Dabba Doo...

@ivanF1
#F1
The newspaper Corriere dello Sport announced the recovery of #Ferrari’s political power, lost in recent years, in Formula One

@ivanF1
#F1
Todt’s #FIA with #Ecclestone approval give #Ferrari veto power for future sport and technical regulations in Formula One

Let the **** hit the fan again.

This is ridiculous.

[jonpollak]

Old news....

More like constantly recurring news...

I love the fans who are 'OUTRAGED' by this...

Yes,yes they're doing it all the time.
Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 13 March 2013 - 20:00.

[Ferrari2183]

That's interesting. I wonder what, if any, effect it will have on the engine regs? I know neither Ferrari nor Bernie are keen, but surely its too late to affect that?

I think far too long into developing the new engines for this little rumour to affect it.

[Ferrari2183]

Old news, if anything, it will be like this.

Brilliant.

[fabr68]

I hope Ferrari vetoes the V6 engine and bring back proper F1 engines such as V10 or V12

[nomi]

And this is so sporting, just give the spoilt brat some more lollies.

[George Costanza]

Are you surprised? given Jean Todt ties to Ferrari?

[fololo]

And this is so sporting, just give the spoilt brat some more lollies.

Ferrari is the nicest team since 3-4 years

Red bull is the evils team

[santababy]

Ferrari is the nicest team since 3-4 years

Red bull is the evils team

Now they can take over the evil team badge.

[Rjpscr]

Wow this is a joke. No team in F1 should have political power, now if something don't go there way they will cry about it.

[Raelene]

Are you surprised? given Jean Todt ties to Ferrari?

oh come on... he hasn't had ties to them since 2009

In 1972 he was a co-driver inm a renault powered car - tin hat conspiracies for that??

I remember last year reading in F1 Racing that Red Bull said they also get special "rights"..

[Ikebana]

Are you surprised? given Jean Todt ties to Ferrari?

Yes, there have to be a lot of ties left beteween Jean Todt and Ferrari. Specially after Ferrari hired the same Alonso that showed to Todt's proposal his middle finger back in the Minardi days, which made Todt to be pretty enraged for years. But now he wants to favor Ferrari, yeah!

Edited by Ikebana, 14 March 2013 - 03:23.

[BigCHrome]

Pathetic.

I guess they got tired of getting spanked by properly run teams.

Edited by BigCHrome, 14 March 2013 - 03:29.

[akshay380]

Would you guys wait till the we have some more information?

PS: I dont like Ferrari but why jump on them with so little info?

[kosmos]

Are you surprised? given Jean Todt ties to Ferrari?

The ties with Todt worked so well in the previous year, so well, like Ferrari winning 0 titles

[nomi]

Ferrari is the nicest team since 3-4 years

Red bull is the evils team

Hello please give us specific sources to your claims?

Ferrari's tie to FIA in past has been well known.

[teejay]

I hope Ferrari vetoes the V6 engine and bring back proper F1 engines such as V10 or V12

Links to V10's or 12's that made more power than the 1980's V6's?

[smoothcrim]

Links to V10's or 12's that made more power than the 1980's V6's?

in 2004-5 the v10s made more power in race trim than the 80's engines in race trim.

i think everyone is sick of the fia governing everything so strictly,the chassis are far to good for the engines we have now and will have in 2014.Need more power so a driver can showcase his skill.

[alframsey]

Why give any team in F1 the veto? I simply can't understand it.

[mattferg]

Can you imagine the outrage on the forum if this was Red Bull or McLaren, or even Williams, being given a veto? Everyone would be screaming they were cheaters etc etc. Just because it's Ferrari and they're not winning titles doesn't mean it's okay.

[JeanClaude]

I think this is quite understandable
Ferrari is the largest and most important player in F1 as Bernie has acknowledged time and again

Ferrari will only be able to veto certain undesirable developments/rules -such as for example the proposed switch to 4 cylinder engines- , they won't write the rules for the sport.
This only formalizes the political power that Ferrari already has.
Not a big deal imo

JC

[KnucklesAgain]

Why give any team in F1 the veto? I simply can't understand it.

Because like it our not, Ferrari is not just "any" team, and if Ferrari left F1 it would be a major blow to the business.

[ZooL]

Why give any team in F1 the veto? I simply can't understand it.

Money enters ones pocket and it makes humans do things that they know are wrong.

[fabr68]

The ties with Todt worked so well in the previous year, so well, like Ferrari winning 0 titles

Of course. Ferrari has so much influence in Formula 1 with Todt that the double diffusers were banned in 2009, the F-Duct in 2010, exhaust blowing in 2011 and the illegal flexible front wing was finally outlawed in 2012

Ferrari owns Formula 1

Edited by fabr68, 14 March 2013 - 12:31.

[tifosi]

That's interesting. I wonder what, if any, effect it will have on the engine regs? I know neither Ferrari nor Bernie are keen, but surely its too late to affect that?

Everyone sticks with teh new regulations.

Ferrari get to have 3.5 liter V12s

[Anja]

This is why I grew to hate Ferrari despite being their fan as a kid.

[toxicfusion]

Todt hasn't allowed previous allegiances to sway him during his presidency, despite many believing when he became FIA president that Ferrari would get their own way.

Also the wording of the tweet says 'Todt's FIA' not that Todt himself called for this. For all we know they met and voted and the majority said it was okay.

Edited by toxicfusion, 14 March 2013 - 12:44.

[Rob]

Because like it our not, Ferrari is not just "any" team, and if Ferrari left F1 it would be a major blow to the business.

Let them leave. They never will.

[KnucklesAgain]

Let them leave. They never will.

I did not make an argument either way, I was just expressing what I think the reasoning was.

[boldhakka]

At least we can be reasonably confident that they won't use their veto to corrupt F1 too much - they do have a strong heritage and I doubt any incarnation of the Scuderia's management will do anything to harm it beyond a certain limit.

It may even be a good thing, because they now have some responsibility and stewardship, so if all the teams dislike some Bernie initiative, they can convince Ferrari to use their veto.

Edited by boldhakka, 14 March 2013 - 13:28.

[David1976]

Can they veto the use of ADRIAN NEWEY?

[SpaMaster]

Is this a concrete news or a rumour? Framing regulations is FIA's job, not Ecclestone's or Ferrari's. By earlier Concorde agreement, the regulations need to be approved by F1 commission and representatiives from teams used to part of the commission along with FIA personnel and Ecclestone. But this commission cannot frame regulations, only approve or veto it. I am not sure how Ferrari comes into the whole picture.

Edited by SpaMaster, 14 March 2013 - 13:45.

[1Devil1]

Because like it our not, Ferrari is not just "any" team, and if Ferrari left F1 it would be a major blow to the business.

But Formula One would be big without Ferrari. You have Mercedes, McLaren, Williams and Lotus - all major players. I don't understand why should Bernie let him blackmail by Ferrari. It would be huge lost, for sure. But even Ferrari is not bigger than the series itself. Please go Ferrari if you want to...

[KnucklesAgain]

But Formula One would be big without Ferrari. You have Mercedes, McLaren, Williams and Lotus - all major players. I don't understand why should Bernie let him blackmail by Ferrari. It would be huge lost, for sure. But even Ferrari is not bigger than the series itself. Please go Ferrari if you want to...

If the news is true, I'm afraid that Bernie sees it differently and does not care for your opinion (or mine).
Edit: Oh, and while you and I think that Williams is an important F1 team, in general its brand value is not even on the same planet as Ferrari's. Similar for McLaren. Merc could be gone any time, despite their recent commitments (their union is still opposed to F1), and Lotus is not even the real Lotus.

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 14 March 2013 - 14:01.

[undersquare]

Sport?

[Buttoneer]

I don't think anyone has reasonably expressed the form that this veto will take in order to gauge quite how outraged we need to be. Does anyone have any idea or are we just going to tilt at windmills?

[pizzalover]

And of course there's the extra cash they receive as well.

Aka, the special Ferrari dividend.


Btw, isn't this old news?

http://www.f1fanatic...se-against-fia/

Edited by pizzalover, 14 March 2013 - 14:10.

[JeanClaude]

But Formula One would be big without Ferrari. You have Mercedes, McLaren, Williams and Lotus - all major players. I don't understand why should Bernie let him blackmail by Ferrari.

All important players but quite insignificant to F1 compared to Ferrari according to Bernie
Also remember Bernie is about the money and giving away the right to veto to Ferrari doesn't cost anything

JC

[Tuxy]

I think this goes to show how important Ferrari is to F1. People can't seem to reconcile that, so while this may be unfair, or unsporting, it's the business of professionally run businesses, sports and entertainment.

Simply put, accept it or move on. All teams are guilty of something that upsets someone somewhere whether you are aware of it or not.

Your affection for you preferred team or driver is a one way street. It's your business how deep your support for these strangers are and how you choose to express it, but in an open forum like this let's keep things in perspective.

These people are rutheless-c*nts, at least the successful ones are. You are basically in support of people you couldn't stand spending 2min with in normal circumstances. Just wait until the season opener and let's just enjoy the "sport" for what it is.

Edited by Tuxy, 14 March 2013 - 14:41.

[mattferg]

I think this goes to show how important Ferrari is to F1. People can't seem to reconcile that, so while this may be unfair, or unsporting, it's the business of professionally run businesses, sports and entertainment.

Simply put, accept it or move on. All teams are guilty of something that upsets someone somewhere whether you are aware of it or not.

Your affection for you preferred team or driver is a one way street. It's your business how deep your support for these strangers are and how you choose to express it, but in an open forum like this let's keep things in perspective.

Sure - now explain why they're so important and deserve preferential treatment please :-)

[Seanspeed]

Is this a concrete news or a rumour? Framing regulations is FIA's job, not Ecclestone's or Ferrari's. By earlier Concorde agreement, the regulations need to be approved by F1 commission and representatiives from teams used to part of the commission along with FIA personnel and Ecclestone. But this commission cannot frame regulations, only approve or veto it. I am not sure how Ferrari comes into the whole picture.

Wondering this, too.

[Kingshark]

Don't worry people; unlike the most corrupt team on the grid known as Red Bull, Scuderia Ferrari have morals.

Maranello are the most modest, humble and legitimate team on the grid.

With Ferrari in power, it's pretty much guaranteed that F1 is heading in the right direction.

Edited by Kingshark, 14 March 2013 - 14:40.

[mattferg]

Don't worry people; unlike the most corrupt team on the grid known as Red Bull, Scuderia Ferrari have morals.

Maranello are the most modest, humble and legitimate team on the grid.

With Ferrari in power, it's pretty much guaranteed that F1 is heading in the right direction.

Remind me again how F1 was better and more popular in the early 2000s?

[Kingshark]

Remind me again how F1 was better and more popular in the early 2000s?

I loved it, and that's the most important thing.

Plus 2003 was a very popular season. Ferrari won both championships, but weren't dominant and had to fight. Just the way I like it.

Nevertheless, I'll be honest with you here; when I first started watching F1 in 2001, I supported teams based on the color their car was.

The McLaren grey or Williams white & blue did not appeal to me, so I began to support Ferrari.

Still do, eleven years later, also perhaps why I have a soft spot for Marussia.

Edited by Kingshark, 14 March 2013 - 14:52.

[mattferg]

I loved it, and that's the most important thing.

Plus 2003 was a very popular season. Ferrari won both championships, but weren't dominant and had to fight. Just the way I like it.

Nevertheless, I'll be honest with you here; when I first started watching F1 in 2001, I supported teams based on the color their car was.

The McLaren grey or Williams white & blue did not appeal to me, so I began to support Ferrari.

Still do, eleven years later, also perhaps why I have a soft spot for Marussia.

So you liked 2012 then?

[Gareth]

I don't think anyone has reasonably expressed the form that this veto will take in order to gauge quite how outraged we need to be. Does anyone have any idea or are we just going to tilt at windmills?

True.

But if it changes nothing, you have to wonder why they want it and why all involved were willing to accept the negative publicity.

If it gives them something, it doesn't look great IMO. Competitors having unequal influence over the rules of the game is never a good thing.