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[Kingshark]

What about Webber? He's got RB, too, and he's not unreachable. Maybe, just maybe, it's just Vettel who is that good.;) But that is impossible, of course.

You are comparing the slower RBR driver to the quicker Merc driver.

I could just as easily compare Rosberg to Vettel; but seemingly unlike you, I don't suffer from the delusional syndrome.

[choyothe]

The thing that ate at me this time was how they timed it absolutely perfect in Q3 and got him another lap if he needed it. It was just perfect and effortless, as if it was reserved for him each weekend, and in the end he didn't even need it. He's so far out in front that the advantage of perfect lap timing was superfluous. It's just ridiculous.

I doubt RB timed it like that, Vettel made it by second only after going 1.7 faster than Hamilton just before.

[ZooL]

Not sure what anyone in the top 10 has gained from quali. Those tyres look shot.

Starting 11th on mediums looks like a lovely place to be. If it rains you won't need to go near the supersofts, and if it doesn't, you stick them on near the end when you will get held up least.

The front 10 look like they will be in after 3 to 5 laps and will be coming out well down the field.

Looking back at quali...is the order RBR>Fer>Merc>Lotus or RBR>Merc>Fer>Lotus? Did Ros under perform or Ham over perform?

If that happens people will be throwing eggs at Pirelli and ridiculing their cheese tyres. It will ruined the formula where Q3 cars are penalised.

[sopa]

People's way of arguing is confusing. To put it short one doesn't rule out the other. Red Bull car is great, but that doesn't mean Vettel isn't doing a great job. Once upon a time Senna was also taking poles with an advantage of a second or more. Those were great laps too.

[rasul]

Not trying to rant, but he's a 36 year old who never was an absolute world class driver, yet he's comfortably securing front rows. Might explain why people are getting suspicious...

No, it's obvious that RBR have the best car for this race. But calling it dominant is a bit of a stretch when MW is only 0.2s faster than Lewis. Maybe it's just me, but I have a different definition of a dominant car.

[Jimisgod]

Only the sore losers are suspicious.

lol. I was hoping Ric would show his hand, but it dried out too much for the STRs to be a thing.

[Arion]

even the Ferraris were 1s off pole.................

[slmk]

Only the sore losers are suspicious.

Gotta be kidding right, Vettel would have been 1 second clear of LH after his second lap and Webber had a lot of time on hand as well.

The RB9 is nothing short of a rocket. Only thing to stop it is excessive/premature tyre wear.

[fatd]

Kudos to Webber though, P2 at your home GP when the points standings don't really matter in race strategy terms is probably as best an opportunity we'll get of Weber actually providing any sort of challenge for Vettel. Hope he goes for broke when the lights go out and wins the damn thing.

Yeah as much as I support Vettel I kind of hope that Webber can take a home win at least once, and this may be his best opportunity. The only thing that keeps me from really hoping for it is that he'll have to beat Vettel for that

[mattferg]

You are comparing the slower RBR driver to the quicker Merc driver.

I could just as easily compare Rosberg to Vettel; but seemingly unlike you, I don't suffer from that particular delusional syndrome.

Fixed :-)

[rasul]

Not trying to rant, but he's a 36 year old who never was an absolute world class driver, yet he's comfortably securing front rows. Might explain why people are getting suspicious...

No, it's obvious that RBR have the best car for this race. But calling it dominant is a bit of a stretch when MW is only 0.2s faster than Lewis. Maybe it's just me, but I have a different definition of a dominant car.

[Kingshark]

Yes Vettel was, and you use this point constantly and that Webber was outperforming him in early races to prove that Vettel's rubbish... Just doing the same with your driver, lol.

When have I ever used this? I've always acknowledged the fact that Webber only beat Vettel in 3 races - China, Monaco and GBR.

You as usual pulling conspiracy theories out of your rear.

In fact you were ranting and raving about how amazing Alonso is in the wet a la Malaysia last year... Guess it was him+the car like we all said.

I've never denied the fact that the F2012 was a great rain car either.

You're just a Kimi fan bitter about the fact that a slightly-above average driver such as Massa owned him in 2008-09. Now you just wish the same to happen to Alonso, so your boy can grow some dignity back. Guess what mate, it ain't gonna happen.

Edited by Kingshark, 17 March 2013 - 01:23.

[amppatel]

No, it's obvious that RBR have the best car for this race. But calling it dominant is a bit of a stretch when MW is only 0.2s faster than Lewis. Maybe it's just me, but I have a different definition of a dominant car.

Your failing to take into account their previous seasons.... that's what your missing

[Kingshark]

No, it's obvious that RBR have the best car for this race. But calling it dominant is a bit of a stretch when MW is only 0.2s faster than Lewis. Maybe it's just me, but I have a different definition of a dominant car.

You are comparing the slower RBR driver to the quicker Merc driver.

I could just as easily compare Rosberg to Vettel; but seemingly unlike you, I don't suffer from the delusional syndrome.

The average Red Bull is 7 tenths faster than the next quickest car, the Mercedes. If that's not dominant, then you're living in denial.

[Lulabaloo]

Not trying to rant, but he's a 36 year old who never was an absolute world class driver, yet he's comfortably securing front rows. Might explain why people are getting suspicious...

He's not that bad at qualy, actually he was considered very good before he was paired with Vettel. I wouldn't call 0.2 comfortable and certainly wouldn't use the plural as in "front rows".

[mattferg]

When have I ever used this? I've always acknowledged the fact that Webber only beat Vettel in 3 races - China, Monaco and GBR.

You as usual pulling conspiracy theories out of your rear.


I've never denied the fact that the F2012 was a great rain car either.

You're just a Kimi fan bitter about the fact that a slightly-above average driver such as Massa owned him in 2008-09. Now you just wish the same to happen to Alonso, so your boy can grow some dignity back. Guess what mate, it ain't gonna happen.

1. You recently made a post about Vettel having a worse qualifying record in comparison to his teammate last year than Alonso. Don't make me dig it up.

2. You made another semi-recent post raving about how Pat Fry said the win in Malaysia was all down to Alonso's skill. Don't make me dig that up either.

3. I'm not a Kimi fan, or a fan of any driver. I have a preference towards Vettel as I've supported RBR since 2005 and he's their no.1 at the minute, but I supported Mark in 2008 not Seb. I'm just tired of your bullshit logic which implies that Kimi is rubbish just because Massa beat him and Alonso beat Massa. I could draw up this giant tree to prove Alonso is rubbish using particular season performances:

Vettel>Webber>Rosberg>Schumacher>Barrichello>Button>Hamilton>Alonso

But it'd be bollocks, because it's entirely subjective to driver performances year by year. Learn about F1 PLEASE, you cite so many misconceptions.

[Fubaaarrr]

The average Red Bull is 7 tenths faster than the next quickest car, the Mercedes. If that's not dominant, then you're living in denial.

I dont really know if I should laugh or cry when you pull average info out of single Qualifying.

Edited by Fubaaarrr, 17 March 2013 - 02:00.

[rasul]

Your failing to take into account their previous seasons.... that's what your missing

Maybe. But my point is, if it was anyone but RBR, no one would have been labelling their car "dominant." I'm not convinced that their race pace is that great. Let's wait for the race before judging.

[Nahnever]

Sky didn't get an interview with the Pole sitter. I mean that is ALL KINDS OF SUCK on their part. Really, truly, deeply horrible broadcasting. It makes them look Biased and Archaic.

A trip to the pub was worth it to see qually, but they should always get the pole sitter. What kind of bumbling bumkin is running things over there?

Erm they said he went in early because he was having a serious chat with his engineer. Not their fault mate.

[SpaMaster]

When have I ever used this? I've always acknowledged the fact that Webber only beat Vettel in 3 races - China, Monaco and GBR.

You as usual pulling conspiracy theories out of your rear.


I've never denied the fact that the F2012 was a great rain car either.

You're just a Kimi fan bitter about the fact that a slightly-above average driver such as Massa owned him in 2008-09. Now you just wish the same to happen to Alonso, so your boy can grow some dignity back. Guess what mate, it ain't gonna happen.

Whatever makes you feel justified of Ferrari's decisions. When is the last time they won the championship?

[amppatel]

Maybe. But my point is, if it was anyone but RBR, no one would have been labelling their car "dominant." I'm not convinced that their race pace is that great. Let's wait for the race before judging.

Exactly most people take into account that it is Red Bull - that is my point. But I totally agree - I think that their race pace could be off.

Edited by amppatel, 17 March 2013 - 01:35.

[klyster]

Sky didn't get an interview with the Pole sitter. I mean that is ALL KINDS OF SUCK on their part. Really, truly, deeply horrible broadcasting. It makes them look Biased and Archaic.

A trip to the pub was worth it to see qually, but they should always get the pole sitter. What kind of bumbling bumkin is running things over there?

Sebastian went to the back of the garage to talk to his race engineers....
I don't think they'd appreciate having a mic and camera shoved into their conversation (as interesting as that would be)

[vas04614]

"Adrian Sutil has been summoned to see the stewards over an incident in Q2"

[choyothe]

I dont really know if I should laugh or cry when you pull average info out of single Qualifying.

Especially with that one qualifying is a damp/drying one with one run on slicks, good catch.

[PoleMan]

Congrats to Sebastian on his 37th pole, and the podium 3, in general! Nice drive, particularly by Lewis, who took a BIG risk going to Mercedes, which may just turn out to be a master stroke! Ferrari did well to place P4 and P5. Hopefully, all those folks (And you know who you Are! ) making all manner of specious medical diagnoses of Felipe Massa, will just shut it! I didn't get to see quali here in NYC, yet, but if Fernando really had a DRS problem as the F138 thread says, he might be sitting pretty when the red lights go out(Assuming they can sort it, of course!). DiResta did well to place in front of Sutil, given he was behind all weekend. Nice drive by Button, too. I know he was only 10th, but considering how ill handling the McLaren has been, and if he'd put fewer laps on his SS, he looked to be placing much higher up the grid.

Edited by PoleMan, 17 March 2013 - 01:40.

[Baddoer]

[fololo]

someone explain me all the hate for whitmarsch lol

[surbjits]

[Lulabaloo]

Congrats to Sebastian on his 37th pole, and the podium 3, in general! Nice drive, particularly by Lewis, who took a BIG risk going to Mercedes, which may just turn out to be a master stroke! Ferrari did well to place P4 and P5. Hopefully, all those folks (And you know who you Are! ) making all manner of specious medical diagnoses of Felipe Massa, will just shut it! I didn't get to see quali here in NYC, yet, but if Fernando really had a DRS problem as the F138 thread says, he might be sitting pretty when the red lights go out(Assuming they can sort it, of course!). DiResta did well to place in front of Sutil, given he was behind all weekend. Nice drive by Button, too. I know he was only 10th, but considering how ill handling the McLaren has been, and if he'd put fewer laps on his SS, he looked to be placing much higher up the grid.

Why would people shut up about Felipe brain injury ? Have you heard of healing ? It happens with brain injuries too. Yes the DRS, if it really is a problem he's stuck with it for the duration, unless they want to start him from the pitlane.

Edited by Lulabaloo, 17 March 2013 - 02:03.

[anti]

Qualification: :: Sector times :: Max speeds :: Lap Chart

[TheUltimateWorrier]

"Adrian Sutil has been summoned to see the stewards over an incident in Q2"

Uh-oh, hide the champagne flutes, Charlie!!!

[study]

If Massa had a problem after his crash he wouldn't be racing, simple as. That he was slower after it is more down to confidence.

[PoleMan]

Why would people will shut up about Felipe brain injury ? Have you heard of healing ? It happens with brain injuries too. Yes the DRS, if it really is a problem he's stuck with it for the duration, unless they want to start him from the pitlane.

Guess you must have been one of those Pseudo-Medical types who feel like they're qualified to comment! Apparently, even when Felipe and his doctors said, REPEATEDLY, that there were NO LINGERING EFFECTS from an accident he doesn't even remember, knowledgable folk like YOU know better.

Edited by PoleMan, 17 March 2013 - 01:55.

[fatd]

Qualification: :: Sector times :: Max speeds :: Lap Chart

Interesting that Webber and Vettel were both 3rd and 5th in the speed trap respectively. Strange to see RB that high.

[Lulabaloo]

If Massa had a problem after his crash he wouldn't be racing, simple as. That he was slower after it is more down to confidence.

How do you know ? Piquet had a problem with his vision after his accident that took months, and several secret visits to a military hospital in Italy, to heal to 80% of his full capacity. All that while he was still racing.

[Kelateboy]

Please get Ron back!

[Lulabaloo]

Guess you must have been one of those Pseudo-Medical types who feel like they're qualified to comment! Apparently, even when Felipe and his doctors said, REPEATEDLY, that there were NO LINGERING EFFECTS from an accident he doesn't even remember, knowledgable folk like YOU know better.

It's difficult to take a post with that many emoticons seriously but here we go. You are the one diagnosing. Yes, Felipe said that but what would you expect ? About his doctors never heard nor read any of them giving an interview.

[PassWind]

Interesting that Webber and Vettel were both 3rd and 5th in the speed trap respectively. Strange to see RB that high.

Damp track, not all cars are getting to max speeds possible because of limited traction off the preceeding corner, it may just indicate the higher level of grip that RBR are able to achieve in traction limited conditions with a superior aero package.

[Juggles]

Interesting qualifying, though because it was dry at the death we have the top four teams in the first eight grid slots. In fact it has the look of "the animals went in two by two," with the only exception being Hamilton putting the Ferraris between himself and Rosberg.

I think Vettel will run and hide but the battle for second could be interesting. I think Webber, Hamilton and Alonso will fight for it, though I hope Massa can also join the party. Two wishes:

1) dry race
2) Mercedes to have comparable tyre wear to the other top teams

[BernieEc]

1. You recently made a post about Vettel having a worse qualifying record in comparison to his teammate last year than Alonso. Don't make me dig it up. Dude stop threatening and dig it up else it sounds like false accusations

2. You made another semi-recent post raving about how Pat Fry said the win in Malaysia was all down to Alonso's skill. Don't make me dig that up either. what the hell does that mean?? and again go dig it up (if you wanna shoot.....shoot don't talk)

3. I'm not a Kimi fan, or a fan of any driver. I have a preference towards Vettel as I've supported RBR since 2005 and he's their no.1 at the minute, but I supported Mark in 2008 not Seb. I'm just tired of your bullshit logic which implies that Kimi is rubbish just because Massa beat him and Alonso beat Massa. I could draw up this giant tree to prove Alonso is rubbish using particular season performances: Alonso is good (fact) and am not even a fan of his. you drawing up a tree to prove otherwise is as futile and silly as the thread you setup the other day about some silly analysis on predicting the season ahead using some rubbish calculations that even Gary Anderson won't touch with a barge pole

Vettel>Webber>Rosberg>Schumacher>Barrichello>Button>Hamilton>Alonso

But it'd be bollocks, because it's entirely subjective to driver performances year by year. Learn about F1 PLEASE, you cite so many misconceptions. really...coming from you*smh*

Edited by BernieEc, 17 March 2013 - 02:13.

[kedia990]

"Adrian Sutil has been summoned to see the stewards over an incident in Q2"

Ok, who left the champagne glass out in the open?

[itsademo]

Maybe. But my point is, if it was anyone but RBR, no one would have been labelling their car "dominant." I'm not convinced that their race pace is that great. Let's wait for the race before judging.

too many people thinking qually pace = race pace

[PoleMan]

It's difficult to take a post with that many emoticons seriously but here we go. You are the one diagnosing. Yes, Felipe said that but what would you expect? About his doctors never heard nor read any of them giving an interview.

I fear the irony of the bolded comments spewing from your keyboard --in consecutive sentences, no less -- will be lost on a mental giant such as yourself.

[itsademo]

someone explain me all the hate for whitmarsch lol

because his man love for button drove a real world class driver out of the team
now the team really could suffer

[ElDictatore]

because his man love for button drove a real world class driver out of the team
now the team really could suffer

Because that hasn't happened before under Ron. NEVER

[tarmac]

It looked strange that Button and Ferraris were nowhere with the first timed on super softs

[Xeriks]

[mattferg]

BernieEc you're almost as bad as Kingshark so I'm not even going to bother.

[superdelphinus]

Vettel shoots off. Alonso makes a great start, Hamilton a normal one and webber takes them both off between turns 1&2