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#51 Skinnyguy

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 22:56

We still would if they let them race.


No hell. Back then rain was tons more of action guaranteed than the regular dry race. Now it´s roughly the same than a dry race.

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#52 Ravenak

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 23:14

Doesn't look good, honestly, but what can we complain about...

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We'll see.

Edited by Ravenak, 21 March 2013 - 23:14.


#53 Kyo

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 23:17

No hell. Back then rain was tons more of action guaranteed than the regular dry race. Now it´s roughly the same than a dry race.

I still prefer to see drivers showing skills while driving at their maximum in the rain than watch drivers saving their tyres and using drs to overtake. But maybe thats just me...

#54 Gene and Tonic

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 23:56

I wish Whiting could be a bit more accessible, and explain why the sport has become so ridiculously risk-averse in terms of the weather in recent years. There's literally very little point in Pirelli spending money to manufacture full wet tires now.

#55 Clatter

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 00:00

And steady rain throughout the whole weekend does cause the teams to set the cars up for wet (higher cars). Which means that they can actually run in the wet.


No it doesn't. The current cars are not designed with this in mind.

#56 jjcale

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 00:03

No it doesn't. The current cars are not designed with this in mind.


I think you need to explain this again .... and in detail... in a single post if possible. Its not as common knowledge as you assume.

#57 Clatter

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 00:06

I think you need to explain this again .... and in detail... in a single post if possible. Its not as common knowledge as you assume.


Maybe they can just read the many Pirelli whining threads where the whole problem has been explained many times.

#58 corf

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 00:07

In Kuala Lumpur it drizzled at 5pm and 10pm yesterday, off to the circuit now :-)

Edited by corf, 22 March 2013 - 00:08.


#59 Clatter

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 00:23

In Kuala Lumpur it drizzled at 5pm and 10pm yesterday, off to the circuit now :-)


I can't remember who it was but a member who lives out there predicted this when Bernie changed the race times. He said then that it always rains around 5pm at this time of year.


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#60 scheivlak

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 00:30

No hell. Back then rain was tons more of action guaranteed than the regular dry race. Now it´s roughly the same than a dry race.

Depends on what you define as "back then".

To my surprise - and conflicting with my memory, but I have to confess there was some truth in it -, the old Autocourse reports of the early/mid 70s quite often equalize the threat of rain with the threat of a boring processional race in those years. A reason for that could be that in those still quite dangerous days most drivers were quite careful in a F1 car in the rain. I remember the 1971 Dutch GP with a fantastic fight between the real masters Ickx and Rodriguez and something like a procession of (lapped) cars further and further behind them.

Of course there were some crazy races as well where everything could change in a few seconds - like when it suddenly started to snow in Silverstone somewhere half april in a non-championship F1 race.

#61 Nigol

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 00:46

So what is the weather like? Is it worth staying up for practice sessions?

#62 Ravenak

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 00:59

Emlyn Hughes @radarguruf1

#F1 Friday #Sepang: Dry, hot and sticky AM for P1. Chance of storms developing early afternoon for P2, but more likely afterwards. Max 33c.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:14

Emlyn Hughes @radarguruf1

#F1 Friday #Sepang: Dry, hot and sticky AM for P1. Chance of storms developing early afternoon for P2, but more likely afterwards. Max 33c.


Better cancel both sessions just in case.



#64 Menace

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:34

Why hasn't the race start been moved closer to noon local?

This is idiotic.

It ALWAYS pours in the mid-late afternoon at this time of the year. Is this really all about the European viewers??? :confused: ********.

4pm is about the daftest time to race there is.

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#65 Kelateboy

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:37

Why hasn't the race start been moved closer to noon local?

This is idiotic.

It ALWAYS pours in the afternoon at this time of the year. Is this really all about the European viewers??? :confused: ********.

Originally, the starting time was 3pm. But it was moved to 5pm to cater to the European audience, and back to 4pm after the debacles of rainstorms a couple of years back.

#66 Menace

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:41

Originally, the starting time was 3pm. But it was moved to 5pm to cater to the European audience, and back to 4pm after the debacles of rainstorms a couple of years back.



It should be closer to 1pm. The humidity and heat is just too much, its going to pour. :drunk:

I lived in that region for 5 years and was there for the 1999 Malaysian GP, first one at Sepang. I just don't understand who thinks its better to have only a partial race rather move the GP to a time slot that allows for a full race.

Those of us living in North America have to deal with early wake ups all year long to watch the races live.



#67 FPV GTHO

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:24

Well neither have ever started at that sort of time. Melbourne used to be around 2/3am and Sepang used to be around 5/6am, both of which I'm happy with. Personally I'd have every race on the calendar starting at 2pm local time (ok that'd mean no twilight races and no Singapore night race, but I can live with that). I've always been a big fan of being up at silly o'clock watching F1, that'll never change.


I'm thinking more along the lines of a 10-11am local race start, like how Q2-3 was for Melbourne.

Late night is how we get 3/4 of the season here and to me it seems alot easier then getting up early

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:38

Surely due to the humidity, they can bubble up out of nowhere?

Let's all be honest here. We know how this will end. Hours and hours of watching cars stationary, under tarpaulins until it gets too dark to race.

It's a nonsense.


Indeed it is. Unless it's absolutely pelting down like the condiditons in Adelaide 1991, the FIA and Whiting need to scrap this bullshit "oh! it's raining! We have to wrap the drivers in cotton wool and call out the safety car!" approach and just bloody-well let them race in the wet like they used to. The current way wet F1 races are handled is nothing short of farcical. :rolleyes:

#69 Menace

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:11

Indeed it is. Unless it's absolutely pelting down like the condiditons in Adelaide 1991, the FIA and Whiting need to scrap this bullshit "oh! it's raining! We have to wrap the drivers in cotton wool and call out the safety car!" approach and just bloody-well let them race in the wet like they used to. The current way wet F1 races are handled is nothing short of farcical. :rolleyes:


Fantastic idea, but if it pours in Malaysia at this time of the year you're simply not going to race at all. It will be impossible with the current cars.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:36

Fantastic idea, but if it pours in Malaysia at this time of the year you're simply not going to race at all. It will be impossible with the current cars.


and tyres because FIA dont give permission for monsoons that pirelli would be ready to do.

#71 Eff One 2002

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:45

and tyres because FIA dont give permission for monsoons that pirelli would be ready to do.


That was going to be my next point. It would indeed be possible if not for this. More FIA stupidity right there with not allowing monsoon tyres. Another instance in which common sense is completely abandoned by the governing body.

Edited by Eff One 2002, 22 March 2013 - 06:47.


#72 Shiroo

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:48

If there is a rain in KL there are no tyres in this world that woulx let you race. Ofc i mean KL type of rain

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:19

If there is a rain in KL there are no tyres in this world that woulx let you race. Ofc i mean KL type of rain


The way it get get with torrential downpours there that can be true. But let's face it Whiting wouldn't let them race even if the rain wasn't that bad.

#74 FerrariV12

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:44

I can't remember who it was but a member who lives out there predicted this when Bernie changed the race times. He said then that it always rains around 5pm at this time of year.


So not only has Bernie made these races more difficult to stay up for - but he's increased the chances of races being affected as a result? That's like saying "we're going to cut your leg off, but we're going to charge you for the blade".

I still fail to see how somehow managing to wake up at 6am on a Sunday morning is supposed to be easier than having a late Saturday night? :confused:

I wake up at stupid o'clock for work Monday to Friday and don't wish to on a weekend, thank you very much.

If it wasn't for Sky+ I wouldn't catch any of these races - assuming they actually run that is!

#75 Rosberg

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 16:22

Looks like the weather will play a big role in the qualifying and race. Just hope it ain't 2009 all over again! To be honest, I wish GP2 would be 10am in Malaysian time with the F1 being 1pm Malaysian time, would mean a better chance of the sky being much brighter.

#76 Shiroo

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 16:31

Why they have race at 16:00 local time? it is simply ********.
They should put it around 12-14

#77 InfectedPumpkin

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 16:42

Why they have race at 16:00 local time? it is simply ********.
They should put it around 12-14


For European viewer it is more comfortable :p

#78 Wander

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 16:51

I still fail to see how somehow managing to wake up at 6am on a Sunday morning is supposed to be easier than having a late Saturday night? :confused:


Totally agree. Maybe not everyone does, but I would much prefer to watch a race in the middle of the night than early in the morning on a weekend.

#79 Rosberg

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 16:52

You can always go to sleep after the race! (Unless you've got work)

Edited by Rosberg, 22 March 2013 - 16:53.


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#80 SamH123

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 21:46

Any forecasts around from the professional people?

I'm guessing we're basically talking 50% a shower hits the circuit and significantly affects qualifying, 50% it doesn't

#81 Dolph

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 21:56

I wish Whiting could be a bit more accessible, and explain why the sport has become so ridiculously risk-averse in terms of the weather in recent years. There's literally very little point in Pirelli spending money to manufacture full wet tires now.


Some drivers have gone on the record to say that when racing and following another driver they have zero visibility. If there is a car stricken on the track they will surely plow into it.

#82 Skinnyguy

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 22:21

I still prefer to see drivers showing skills while driving at their maximum in the rain than watch drivers saving their tyres and using drs to overtake. But maybe thats just me...


:lol: You know nothing about the inter tyres if you think it´s like that.

Inters always take much more smoothness to make them hold on for long than slicks. They´re sacrificing loads of instant performance, especially everytime they get back on the throttle after a corner to keep tyres alive, they are miles away from the maximum acceleration they could get with allowance for some wheelspin. And if we talk about a bit of moisture without proper rain ammounts, it gets worse. THAT is proper coasting, and not what we have to hear about current slicks from apocaliptic guys.

#83 Rikhart

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 22:30

The biggest difference nowadays is that you have cars on parc ferme after qualifying, meaning you cant touch its setup. Before, you could make allowances for wet weather, like raising the ride height. That means the car comes from qualy so low, that with some standing water they just float on the track.

#84 jstrains

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 22:42

http://www.accuweath.../233776?hour=14

#85 SamH123

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 23:00

Looks favourite to stay dry :up:

#86 Kyo

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 23:16

:lol: You know nothing about the inter tyres if you think it´s like that.

Inters always take much more smoothness to make them hold on for long than slicks. They´re sacrificing loads of instant performance, especially everytime they get back on the throttle after a corner to keep tyres alive, they are miles away from the maximum acceleration they could get with allowance for some wheelspin. And if we talk about a bit of moisture without proper rain ammounts, it gets worse. THAT is proper coasting, and not what we have to hear about current slicks from apocaliptic guys.

And who was talking about inter tyres? :rolleyes:

#87 r4mses

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 23:19

The biggest difference nowadays is that you have cars on parc ferme after qualifying, meaning you cant touch its setup. Before, you could make allowances for wet weather, like raising the ride height. That means the car comes from qualy so low, that with some standing water they just float on the track.


that's it. so stupid. i doubt that parc ferme-stuff saves any money at all. engineers are at track anyway. let them work on the cars instead of sitting around while twiddling thumbs out of boredom.

#88 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 23:27

Saying it looks favourite to stay dry based on what 1 person posts from 1 weather forecasting site is daft. Fact of the matter is there's a risk. Just because that 1 site says mainly sunny or whatever does NOT mean it's going to be sunny, nor does it mean it's going to be dry. We all know the weather can turn in a matter of moments at Sepang.

#89 SamH123

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 23:33

Saying it looks favourite to stay dry based on what 1 person posts from 1 weather forecasting site is daft. Fact of the matter is there's a risk. Just because that 1 site says mainly sunny or whatever does NOT mean it's going to be sunny, nor does it mean it's going to be dry. We all know the weather can turn in a matter of moments at Sepang.


Everything you've said can be true and it still be favourite to stay dry

I understand people don't like speculation and are only interested in facts but in a thread about Sepang weather we are only talking about probabilities anyway

#90 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 23:37

It's Sepang. There's no point in looking at a general forecast website like the 1 posted. Your best bet is to think "50% chance it'll rain, 50% chance it won't" because that's the case. If it rains, when will it rain, will rain hit the circuit or slide a few miles away from it, will the rain be monsoon rain or just moderate, how long will the rain last, etc etc etc.

#91 Ravenak

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 23:58

I don't think it's as easy as saying "there's a 50% chance", otherwise the best meteorologists in the world would not be worth anything.

People like the following do exist:

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For tomorrow, showers are predicted from noon to 6pm.

Edited by Ravenak, 23 March 2013 - 00:01.


#92 Skinnyguy

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 00:29

And who was talking about inter tyres? :rolleyes:


:lol: Good getaway.



#93 Kyo

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 01:44

:lol: Good getaway.

Yeah, sure, It was not you that implied something that was never there. :drunk:

I thought I was pretty clear that I was talking about circumstances where they don't let drivers race nowadays when I said "We still would if they let them race" and after said "I still prefer to see drivers showing skills while driving at their maximum in the rain than watch drivers saving their tyres and using drs to overtake. But maybe thats just me...". As far as I know they still let them race if the conditions are good enough for intermediates.

#94 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 06:40

after a dry FP3, what is the weather right now, any chance that it will stay dry?

#95 MortenF1

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 06:57

looks that way. *gives a nervous smile*

#96 OO7

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 07:09

In what year was the time of the sessions in Sepang altered to a later start?

Edited by Obi Offiah, 23 March 2013 - 07:09.


#97 Borko

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 07:13

I think in 2009

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 07:33

Rain's starting to fall.

#99 Ravenak

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 10:31

Once again, our reports proved to be quite accurate, even though I announced a window of rain from noon to 6pm.

But it's especially hard to predict in Malaysia. Let us continue on this path :)

It's too early to give any predictions, but chances of rain are less important for tomorrow at the same time, but still higher than on any other circuit and certainly not to be omitted.

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#100 Ravenak

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 23:02

Latest update: no prediction of rain at the moment, but the precipitation probability has risen from 40% to 60%.