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[Hans Etzrodt]

La Turbie is the oldest of the many mountain climbs. The race started in Nice (France) and went for 16 km uphill towards La Turbie, a village on the mountain above. I only show here the early races until 1924 with the winning driver/car combination.

16.0 km circuit
1897 - Pary or Jarry (De Dion Steam 15)
1899 - Lemaître (Peugeot 17)

15.5 km circuit
1900 - Alfred Levegh (Mors 28)
1901 - Wilhelm Werner (Mercedes 35)
1902 - E.T. Stead (Mercedes 40)
1903 - Otto Hieronymus (Mercedes 60)
After Count Zborowski had crashed to his death during the 1903 race, the official department responsible did not approve the staging of the event for the following years. The Nice A.C. finally obtained permission again in 1906 to hold the Nice Week.
1906 – The climb to the top was planned to take place on 31 March on a 9 km long circuit.
1909 – Lindpaintner (Sizaire-Naudin)

7.960 km circuit
1922 – Henri Rougier (Voisin)
1923 - René Thomas (Delage)

6.3 km circuit
1924 – Albert Divo (Delage)
Except for 1927, the 6.3 km race up the mountain was an annual event until the outbreak of World War II in 1939.

There are questions. Does anybody have more details about the early La Turbie races up to 1909? Did the 1906 and 1909 races actually take place? Is there a book about La Turbie or perhaps a program?

[Roger Clark]

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[Boniver]

Nizza - La Turbie
circuit La Corniche 15,190 km - H = 540 m


I = 24 maart 1899
II = 30 maart 1900
III = 29 maart 1901
IV = 7 april 1902
V = 1 april 1903
VI = 28 maart 1909 = 9 km

14 to 23 april 1905 Automobilmeeting of Nice
with a race on the La Turbie H = 500 m
1. Robert - Mercedes 60 PS 1'15"3/5
2. ? - Peugeot

24 to 28 maart 1909 Automobilmeeting of Nice
with a race on the La Turbie (see VI)

1. Lindpaintner - Opel - klasse VI - 4cyl 105mm cars -90 km/h
1.Bellecourt - Pilain - Klasse VII - 4 cyl 116 mm cars - 70,6 km/h
1. Perret - Rochet Schneider - Klasse VIII - 6 cyl cars - 73,4 km/h
1. Chevillot - Nicoise - Klasse IX - voiturette type GP de France 1908 - 53 km/h

[Hans Etzrodt]

Roger,
Thank you very much for this informative article, which enabled me to correct some of my data. A very enjoyable story, indeed.

Boniver,
Thank you. Can you please give me the source for your 1909 information (date, time and winner's car).

[Boniver]

o.a. SportLexikon - Braunbeck's 1910

[Boniver]

25-mrt-09 Nice 1km race

klasse sec km/h

I one cyl Sizaire Sizaire-Naudin 43 83
II two cyl Laurent Bayard Clement 57 62
III four cyl 75mm Schleusener Aries 44 81
IV four cyl 86mm P v Satzger Laurent Klement 45 79
V four cyl 96 mm Gravier Berliet 54 65
VI four cyl106 mm Lindpaintner Opel 35 102
VII four cyl 116 to 130 mm Joers Opel 27 130
VII 6 cyl Perret Rochet Schneider 44 81
IX Voiturette GP des ACF 1908 Chevillot Nicoise 1.06 53







28-mrt-09 Nice - La Turbie 9 km
min sec Km/h
I one cyl Sizaire Sizaire-Naudin 6.12 87

II two cyl Laurent Bayard Clement 13.57 38

III four cyl 75mm Scharp Bayard Clement 6.7 88

IV four cyl 86mm P v Satzger Laurent Klement 6.42 80
V four cyl 96 mm Scoffier La Buire 7.10 75

VI four cyl106 mm Lindpaintner Opel 6.0 90
VII four cyl 116 to 130 mm Bellecourt Pilain 7.38 70
VII 6 cyl Perret Rochet Schneider 7.21 73
IX Voiturette GP des ACF 1908 Chevillot Nicoise 10.36 50

[fines]

Interesting how fast these little Sizaire-Naudins were. Very innovative, too! (IIRC, that is)

[Boniver]

1901 1 in Nice – Salon – Nice
1901 1 in Nice – La Turbie
1901 18 in Paris – Berlin

1902 4 in Nice – La Turbie
1902 2 in Nice 1 km

1903 2 in Nice – La Turbie

1903 start in Paris Madrid


1904 11 in Gordon Bennott

1905 2 Kesselberg
1905 5 in Gordon Bennott


It was not CHRISTIAN Werner

But WILHELM Werner

Born in 23 april 1874 Duitsland

And from 1905 prive chauffeur from Kaiser Wilhelms II of Deutschland

PS : the Kaiser had 22 cars : Adler, Benz, Fiat, Mercedes, NAG and Opel

[Hans Etzrodt]

I wondered if some of you folks can please fill the missing gaps? (?) Please provide sources as well.

Winners of La Turbie Mountain Race (6.3 km circuit)
1921, March 6 - Vidal (Morgan) 8m35.0s
1922, March 12 - Rougier (Voisin) ?
1923, Febr. 25 - Thomas (Delage) ?
1924, ? - Divo (Delage) 4m20.5s
1925, ? - Benoist (Delage) ?
1926, Febr. 25 - ? (?) ?
1927, ? - ? (?) ?
1928, March 18 - Chiron (Bugatti) ?
1929, March 17 - Stuck (Austro Daimler) 4m09.8s

[Jimmy Piget]

A little tribute to German driver Wilhelm Bauer who fatally crashed at La Turbie, while racing a Daimler Phönix 24HP the 30 of March, 1900. He was 34.

[Barry Lake]

Bauer apparently was the first person killed in a speed hillclimb event (Guinness Book of Car Facts and Feats).

But I have never before seen mention of his age. Jimmy, what is your source for his age?

I suppose it would be too much to hope that you have his actual birth date?

[anjakub]

La Turbie before 1909

1900 La Turbie
16.200 km
Voitures
1. Levegh (Mors) 19m02s
Voiturettes
1. Thery (Decauville) 31m21s


1902 La Turbie
15.500 km

Voitures 2-places 650-1000 kg
1. Stead (Mercedes 40) 16m37s3/5
2. A. Lemaitre (Mercedes 40) 18m25s1/5
3. Werner (Mercedes 40) 18m30s1/5
4. Chauliand (Gardner-Serpollet 12) 19m16s1/5
5. Degrais (Mercedes 40) 19m17s
6. Rutishauser (Gardner-Serpollet 12) 22m16s
7. Jenatzy (Jenatzy 30) 22m23s4/5
8. Cossé-Bourbon (Panhard & Levassor 16) 23m45s2/5
9. Gasté (automotrice 24) 27m37s1/5

Voitures 2-places 400-650 kg
1. Gabriel (Darracq 20) 16m50s3/5
2. Edmond (Darracq 20) 17m39s2/5
3. Barras (Darracq 20) 17m46s2/5
4. Marcellin (Darracq 20) 17m49s3/5
5. Renaux ((Darracq 20) 18m36s3/5
6. Thery (Decauville 20) 20m00s
7. Barbereau (Gardner-Serpollet 6) 20m44s2/5
8. Caltard (Gardner-Serpollet 6) 21m30s
9. Pitre (Gardner-Serpollet 6) 25m09s2/5
10. Humeau (Gardner-Serpollet 6) 25m27s1/5
11. Auchan (Cottereau 14) 25m41s
12. De Lecant (Gardner-Serpollet 6) 26m24s3/5
13. Uhlmann (Decauville 20) 28m51s4/5
14. De Rue (Panhard & Levassor 10) 30m31s
15. Wehrein (Darracq 20) 1h08m42s3/5

Voiturettes 1-place 250-400 kg
1. Guilleaume (Darracq 12) 20m20s

Motocycles 50-250 kg
1. Osmont (De Dion Bouton 8) 18m06s3/5
2. Bardeau (De Dion Bouton 6) 18m32s3/5

Motorcuclettes
1. Williams (Clement 2.5) 22m02s4/5

[kabouter]

From Braunbeck's Sportlexicon, Automobilismus:

Class winners in the Nice - La Turbie hillclimb 29 March 1901

Twoseater racing cars: Werner (Mercedes 35 hp) 18m6s8
Steam cars: Serpollet (Gardner-Serpollet) 24m11s6
Motocycles: Béconnais (Perfekta-Soncin 8hp) 17m21s
Motorized vehicles with two wheels? (Motozweiräder): Bucquet (Werner 1.5 hp) 27m34s
Light fourseaters: Köchlin (Peugeot 7hp) 28m35s8
Fourseaters: Katzenstein (Panhard-Levassor 12hp) 28m20s
Sixseaters: Thorn (Mercedes 35 hp) 21m46s
Light racing cars: Baras (Darracq 12 hp) 19m40s
Touring cars: Théry (Decauville 8 hp) 33m12s8

[Jimmy Piget]

Barry Lake wrote :
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Well, Barry, my source is the easiest to confer, here in France : asking a death act to the relevant town house.

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Quite too much, indeed... The death act does not indicate it, alas. Apart from some family information, it reads that "Jean Guillaume Frédéric" Bauer died in the civil hospital in Nice the 31 of March 1900 at 1 a.m., that he was aged 34 years and 6 monthes, born in Cannstatt (Germany) and an engineer-mechanic as occupation.

Notice that the forenames of Bauer were "translated" onto French — something of common use at the time, I guess, for the birth act I own for one or another of the de Vizcaya brothers (in Germany, but they were Spanish-cum-French) reads : "von Vizcaya"...

[Marcor]

La Turbie 15 March 1927
1st overall- Bourlier (Delage 2 L 12 cylinders) 4' 45" 8

Racing car 2 L
1- Bourlier (Delage 2 L 12 cylinders) 4' 45" 8
2- de Moraes (Bugatti) 4' 53" 6

Racing car 1100 cc
1- Morel (Amilcar) 4' 55"
2- de Joncy (BNC) 5' 13" 4

Racing car 1500 cc
1- Chiron (Bugatti) 5' 12"
2- Bret (Bugatti T37) 5' 13"

Racing car 750 cc
DNF- Mathieu (Azuréa)

Sport 2 L
1- Rost (Georges Irat #29) 5' 21"
2- Alladio (Bugatti) 5' 40" 6

Sport 1100 cc
1- Grégoire (Tracta #70) 5' 51"
2- Ismalun (Salmson) 6' 02"

Sport 1500 cc
1- Grégoire (Bugatti) 5' 55" 6
2- Chaigneau (Chaigneau-Brasier) 6' 13"

Sport 5 L
1- Brisson (Lorraine) 6' 12" 6

Sport 3 L
1- Petit (Peugeot) 6' 03" 4
2- Malaret (Talbot) 6' 25"

Sport 8 L
1- Lamberjack (Saurer) (autocar) 10' 43" 6

6.5 km, rain

Sources: Belgian newspapers (Les Sports, La Meuse, Le Matin)

[Hans Etzrodt]

As per Gustav Braunbeck in Braunbeck's Sport-Lexikon, Automobilismus, Motorbootwesen, Luftschiffahrt, Uwe Greve, 1994, it reads:

Bauer, Wilhelm and shows no other names or birth date/year. It states that he died on March 31, 1900 - one day after his crash.

Can anyone please provide the answers to the missing data of the 1920 races? I asked so a few posts back but it seems that this is confidential information and not available to us.



P.S. I see Marc beat me in speed of posting. Thank you very much Marc? Can you find anything else in your source?

[Marcor]

La Turbie 09 March 1924
1st overall- Divo (Delage 5.2 L 6 cylinders) 4' 20" 4/5

Racing car + 2 L
1- Divo (Delage 5.2 L 6 cylinders) 4' 20" 4/5

Racing car 2 L
1- Vidal (Bugatti) 5' 02" 2/5
2- de Joncy (Bugatti) 5' 08" 4/5
3- Friderich (Bugatti) 5' 23" 1/5

Touring car + 3 L
1- Benoist (Delage sport) 4' 34"
2- Rougier (Voisin #3) 5' 11" 3/5
3- Lamberjack (Voisin #2) 5' 41" 2/5
4- de Genestoux (Voisin #12) 5' 46"
5- Tordo (La Buire) 5' 47"

Touring car 3 L
1- Piccioni (Hotchkiss) 5' 34" 2/5
2- Boyriven (Alfa Romeo #14) 5' 42" 4/5
3- Chassagne (Alfa Romeo) 5' 47" 3/5

Touring car 2 L
1- Bret (Georges Irat ) 7' 21" 2/5
2- Monteil (Bignan #5) 7' 45" 2/5

Touring car 1500 cc
1- Anezin (Peugeot) 6' 49" 3/5

6.3 km
Org: AC Nice

and also the same year, one week before:
La Turbie 02 March 24: motorbike meeting including cyclecars

Cyclecars 1100 cc two-seaters
1- Morel (Amilcar) 6' 54" 2/5

Cyclecars 750 cc two-seaters
1- Berthe (Sénéchal) 7' 39" 2/5

Cyclecars 750 cc single-seater
1- Louis (Peugeot) 10' 13" 3/5

same sources

[Marcor]

La Turbie 12 March 1922
1- Rougier (Voisin Sport 18 HP 3.9 L 4 cyl) 5' 10"

cat 5, 4 L
1- Rougier (Voisin Sport 18 HP 3.9 L 4 cyl) 5' 10"

cat 4, 3 L
1- Gros (Bignan Sport) 5' 57" 3/5

cat 3, 2500 cc
1- Philibert (Vermorel) 10' 45" 2/5

cat 2, 2 L
1- Blanc (de Dion Bouton) 9' 07" 4/5

cat 1, 1500 cc
1- Mabille (Bugatti) 6' 24" 2/5

Org: AC Nice
7.96 km

[Hans Etzrodt]

Thank you Marc. This is great. I will add your name to my contributor list of Mountain Race Winners. I also take more information if you find time to look it up. Thank you.

[Marcor]

La Turbie 25 February 1923
1st overall- Thomas (Delage 5.15 L 6 cyl) 4' 38" 2/5

cat libre
1- Thomas (Delage 5.15 L 6 cyl) 4' 38" 2/5
2- André Boillot (Peugeot) 4' 41" 1/5
3- Grua (E.G.) 4' 46" 3/5
4- De Moraès (Moraès) 4' 50" 1/5
5- Meignen (Farman) 5' 17"1/5
6- Henny (Bugatti) 5' 35" 2/5
7- Tordo (Tordo) 5' 38" 2/5
8- Philibert (Darracq) 5' 58"

Coupe Challenge ACN
1- Boulanger (Lancia) 6'39" 1/5

Touring cars + 4 L
1- Sanderson (Rolls-Royce) 7' 10"
2- Braskhand (Rolls-Royce) 7' 21" 1/5
3- Van Hemert (Buick) 8' 35"

Touring cars 4 L
1- Bisson (Voisin) 6' 02" 2/5
2- Boden-Barrel (Voisin) 6' 45"
3- Gosse de Gore (Voisin) 7' 26" 3/5

Touring cars 2500 cc
1- Merlani (SLIM) 5' 43" 2/5
2- Thierry (Chenard & Walcker) 6' 09" 1/5
3- Knowles (Bentley) 6' 44" 1/5
4- Burle (La Buire) 7' 21" 3/5

Touring cars 2 L
1- Blanc (de Dion) 7' 27" 3/5

Touring 1500 cc
1- Aubert (Citroën) 7' 28" 4/5
2- Lenfant (Citroën) 7' 30"3/5

Crash- Ragazzi (Citroën)

6.3 km

[Marcor]

also in 1923
La Turbie 23 or 24 February 1923

cyclecars 1100 cc two-seaters
1- Morel (Amilcar) 6' 59"

Cyclecars 750 two-seaters
1- Ducreux (Peugeot) 8' 32" 4/5

Cyclecars 750 single-seater
1- Brès (Peugeot) 8' 41" 4/5


Org: MC Nice
motorbikes + cyclecars

[Marcor]

La Turbie15 March 1925
1- Robert Benoist (Delage 5.9 L DJ sport) 4' 38" 6
2- Cooper (H) (Ballot 4.9 L Indy) 4' 53"
3- Cholmondley (Bugatti T35 4394) 4' 51" 2
4- Chiron (Bugatti Brescia n°33) 5' 12" 4

Racing car cylindrée libre
1- Benoist (Delage 5.9 L DJ sport) 4' 38" 6
2- Cooper (H) (Ballot 4.9 L Indy) 4' 53"
3- Mendzles (Miss) (Itala) 5' 37" 2

Racing cars 2 L
1- Cholmondley (Bugatti T35 4394) 4' 51" 2
2- Mongin (Bugatti) 5' 27"

Racing cars 1500
1- Chiron (Bugatti Brescia n°33) 5' 12" 4
2- Lefèvre (La Perle) 6' 42" 8

Racing cars 1100
1- Morel (Amilcar) 5' 17" 83
2- Lamberti (Amilcar) 6' 30" 4

Touring cars 1500 cc
1- de Brémont (Mathis 10 HP) 5' 29"
2- Lamberjack (Voisin) 6' 05" 4
3- Duchêne (Bugatti) 6' 37" 2
4- Gendron (TAM) 7' 39" 4/5
5- Del Taglio (Citroën) 12' 08"4/5

Touring cars 3 L
1- Tondelier (Hotchkiss) 5' 34" 6
2- Petit (Peugeot) 5' 35"
3- de Moraes (Lancia) 5' 51" 8
4- d'Aulan (Hotchkiss) 5' 57" 2/5

Touring cars 2 L
1- Portal (Georges Irat) 5' 42" 4
2- Dureste (Georges Irat) 5' 53" 2
3- Bret (Georges Irat) 6' 00" 2
4- Portal M. (Léon Bollée) 6' 57"

Touring cars + 3 L
1- Gosse de Gore (Voisin) 6' 00" 4

Org: AC Nice
6.3 km

same sources

[Marcor]

Not a lot about 1926

La Turbie 25 February 1926
1st overall- Louis Chiron (Bugatti 1.5 L 4 cyl) 5' 01" 2/10

DNS- Robert Benoist (Delage)
DNS- de l'Espée

both cars collided just before the start !!!

sport cat C (3 - 5 L)
1- Rigal (Peugeot) 5' 02" 2/10

Racing cars 1100 cc
1ex- Morel (Amilcar) new class record

Touring cars 1500 cc
1- de Brémond (Mathis 10 CV #44)

Org: AC Nice
6.3 km

[Marcor]

La Turbie 18 March 1928
1- Louis Chiron (Bugatti 2 L 8 cyl) 4' 21" 8/10

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[Hans Etzrodt]

Marc,
All I can say to you is a big THANK YOU. You seem to be able to tap your source rather efficiently, much better than I can do with all of mine.

Should we nickname you "Monsieur La Turbie"?

[Jimmy Piget]

Marcor wrote :
<<6- Henny (Bugatti) 5' 35" 2/5>> [1923]

I suppose this driver was the same as de Joncy, who was often refered to as Henny de Joncy.
The same variation with some people from nobility and a collection of surnames, e.g. Xavier Civelli de Bosch called either Civelli de Bosch, either Xavier de Bosch, depending on what newspaper of the time you read.
BTW, I was never able to find the forename of Henny de Joncy.

Hans Etzrodt wrote :
< Bauer, Wilhelm and shows no other names or birth date/year. It states that he died on March 31, 1900 - one day after his crash. >>

Incidentally, about "translated" forenames in French by bureaucratic employees not keen on "foreign" languages, journalists can also be involved : I also had one day under my eyes (perhaps at Rétromobile) a French magazine from circa 1955 who titled about "Eugène" Castellotti, "Louis" Villoresi and "Pierre" Collins.
And an Italian paper titling on "Francesco" Mitterrand & "Giacomo" Chirac... (all these quotation marks were NOT in the articles)

[Barry Lake]

Thanks Jimmy and Hans for added information on Bauer. Once again, a printed name begins to emerge as a person.

Sorry I have nothing to add in return on La Turbie hillclimb. It's no help to anyone, but I have driven the course a couple of times. I didn't know, before I left home, that I was to be there, so did no preliminary research. I was unable to check where Bauer and Zborowski crashed. But someone explained to me the corner where Grace Kelly/Princess Grace of Monaco died, so I stopped and had a look at that. A little bit of armco might have saved that life.

[Barry Lake]

I just found something else that might interest some.

The Guinness Book of Car Facts and Feats (with well-known contributors) states that Count Eliot Zborowski, in 1903, was the first person to be killed during a hillclimb event. Bauer, it says, was killed during a practice run.

It adds that, following Zborowski's death, the course was reduced to less than half its original length for future events. (This might not be correct, as Hans has 17 km and 9 km as the length of the long and short versions).

Such mistakes are not unusual in this often-revised book.

[Hans Etzrodt]

La Turbie (Nice) circuit distance as per my records.
1897 - .........17.000 km/10.564 mi
1899 - .........16.190 km/10.060 mi
1900 - .........17.000 km/10.564 mi
1901-1903 - 15.500 km/9.632 mi
1909 - ..........9.000 km/5.593 mi
1922-1923 - 7.960 km/4.946 mi
1924-1939 - 6.300 km/3.915 mi

[Doug Nye]

Hans - straightforward translation here - there was in fact some kind of event run at La Turbie in 1904 – for the Coupe de Caters.

'La France Automobile', March 26, 1904 - lists this revised (les dates ont été ainsi changées) schedule for that year's Nice Speed Week:

March 28 Course du Mille et Coupe de Rothschild. (Standing-start 1km sprint)
March 29 Monte Carlo concours d'élegance
March 30 Opening of the Nice Exposition d'Automobiles
April 4 Start of the Monaco power boat races

However, the April 2, 1904, issue page 210 includes the following:

"La Coupe de Caters, qui doit se courir dans la côte de la Turbie sur 500 metres, et fixée a Vendredi; nous n'en pourrons faire connaitre le résultat que la semaine prochaine".

Issue April 9, 1904 - page 227 – six photos of the Coupe de Caters are reproduced, it was a 500 metres only uphill sprint and Rigolly’s Gobron-Brillie, Jenatzy’s Mercedes and Duray took part – but absolutely NO results are published.

In 1905 a similar 500-metre dash was run - again starting at Quatre-Chemins on the road to La Turbie - this time as a fun stage of the Concours de Tourisme for La Semaine de Nice - 'The Nice Week'. From a standing start with 'La France Automobile' editor Paul Meyan and his pal Braun timing the runs, the result was as follows:

1. Von Robert, Mercedes - 1:15
2. Liegeard, Peugeot - 1:16.6
3. Schwab, Berliet - 1:25.8
4. Cardinal, Bayard-Clement - 1:35.6
5. Cote, Pilain - 1:44
6. Meynard, Pilain - 1:55.4
7. Portal, Corre - 1:58
8. Chalancon, 2:10.2
9. Siegman, 2:12.2*
10. Guidi, Renault - 2:14.2
11. Rigod, 2:15.4**

* Only refernce to Siegman's car is that it was a 'Double Phaeton'
**No reference to Rigod's car but a driver name rendered Regoet is mentioned elsewhere as running a Martini car

DCN

[anjakub]

In 1900 in the programme of the Nice Speed Week, except La Turbie, were also other races (sorry, no date):
Course du Mille (1609 m) : 1. Levegh, Mors - 88s1/5
Course de côte de l'Estérel (hillclimb race) : 1. Levegh, Mors - 16m23s

[Hans Etzrodt]

Doug - As you might know, after the 1903 event, La Turbie was declared as too dangerous because Count Eliot Zborowsky was killed that year when he hit the rocks at almost the same spot where Wilhelm Bauer had lost his life three years before. Although Bauer's passenger Hermann Braun had jumped off the car before it hit the wall, he was seriously injured then as was Baron de Pallandt now, who had been passenger in the count's Mercedes. Hermann Braun had survived the 1900 crash rather well since he was able to set the fastest time in the Nice sprint race 1903.

Attempts had been made annually by the Nice Automobile Club to hold, together with the two flat sprint races, the dash up La Turbie and then almost took place again on a shortened 9 km circuit in 1906 but at the end permission could not be obtained. Finally in 1909, the permission was granted to use the circuit and the seventh edition of this race took place that year. I will definitely keep the records supplied thanks to you but don't yet know if I should add those into my mountain race winners list - its not the real race-

Andrzej - The "Course de côte de l'Estérel" near Cannes in 1900 was the first edition of this event and according to my records was not held again before 1925. I always wondered how long this circuit was and on which dates it had taken place for the 1900, 1925, 1926 and 1930 events or had there possibly even been more races in this series?

[Doug Nye]

Hans - of course it's not the real 'race', the more precise English term would be the real 'event'. Neither should 'circuit' be applied to a point-to-point such as La Turbie, since 'circuit' indicates a closed loop, whereas a climb such as this was a point-to-point, not returning to its beginning thus rendering 'course' the more accurate English term to apply.

DCN

[Hans Etzrodt]

Doug - Thank you very much. I will change my list accordingly.

[Hans Etzrodt]

I am still in search of La Turbie data for the following six years and appreciate help from TNF to complete my list and make it available to all in a few months time.

1931, Mar 22 – event was won by Aristide Lumachi (Bugatti T35B racing car). What was his time?
1932, March or April – event was won by Jean Pierre Wimille (Bugatti T54 racing car) in 3m52.0s. On what date did the event take place?
1933, Apr 6 – event was won by Jean Pierre Wimille (Alfa Romeo 2.3-liter). What was his time? Alfa racing or sports car?
1947, Apr 6 – this was supposedly the date for the first post war event. What were the date, winner, car and time? Was this the 26th event held since the first one in 1897?
1948 – What were the date , winner, car and time?
1949 – What were the date , winner, car and time?

[Marcor]

1931: 1- Aristide Lumachi, Bugatti T35B 4942 2.3-Litre, 4 m 08s 2/5
1932: I have March 24 but with doubt, maybe also March 28. More sources give 24...
1933: Wimille won the 3-litre Racing car class... in 3 m 53s 3/5

For the 3 other years, I'm sorry but my records stop before the War (about Montainclimb and sprint races).

[Hans Etzrodt]

Marc - thank you very much. This brings me a bit further.

What is your source for the 1931 time?
What is your source or sources for the 1932 date?
What is your source for the 1933 time?

[David McKinney]

I do not have any record of a stand-alone La Turbie hillclimb in the 1940s. I seem to recall however that the road was used in that period as a rally special stage. Might this be what your dates refer to?

[Marcor]

My sources: as usual, a mix of French and Belgian newspapers and magazine at the time. Here it was mainly the French newspapers "Le Figaro" and "Le Temps". (Nothing in Les Sports)

In "Royal Auto" (RACB monthly bulletin) the 1947 calendar published in November 1946 included "La Course Internationale de la côte de Turbie", planned for April 6th, 1947...

This 1947 calendar included amongst other the Picardie GP (May, 4th), the GP of the AC of Luxembourg (June, 1st), the 24-Hour of Le Mans (June, 21 and 22, 1947), the Liège race (July, 27th), the Donington GP (October 4th) and the Lucerne GP (October 5th).

Other ghost races in the 1950 calendar published in November 1949 (Royal Auto): Czechoslovak GP for F1 (September 24th) and Morocco GP at Casablanca (November 12th)...

[Barry Lake]

Originally posted by David McKinney
I do not have any record of a stand-alone La Turbie hillclimb in the 1940s. I seem to recall however that the road was used in that period as a rally special stage. Might this be what your dates refer to?

Can we drag some of our world rally championship experts into this thread somehow?

I was under the impression La Turbie has been used often (and regualrly?) as a special stage on rallies like the Alpine and/or Monte Carlo, until recent times and perhaps to the present.

It would be interesting to know how often it has been thus used, which section/s of it, what length, etc.

[dax]

... there was in fact some kind of event run at La Turbie in 1904 – for the Coupe de Caters ... but absolutely NO results are published.

1904 apr 1 - III Coupe Baron De Caters
Montée du Pin, La Turbie, FR
500 m hillclimb 10%
Open to all cars and motorcycles without weight restrictions

Car standings
1. Arthur Duray (Gobron Brillie 100 HP) 26s
2. Louis Rigolly (Gobron Brillie 100 HP) 27s
3. Werner (Mercedes 80 HP) 28s
4. Hermann Braun (Mercedes 80 HP) 28.6s
5. Mark Mayhew (Napier 80 HP) 30s
6. Andrew Fletcher (Mercedes 80 HP) 32.2s
6. Camille Jenatzy (Mercedes 80 HP) 32.2s
8. John Warden (Mercedes 80 HP) 32.6s
9. De Cesti 36.6s

Motorcycle standings
1. Ancel (Peugeot) 41.8s
2. Giuseppe Tamagni (Marchand) 42s

Edited by dax, 12 May 2010 - 19:55.