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#51 Ickx

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:09

As much as i think that most of what Lewis says is drivvle, he's right.

Jackie Stewart, in particular, is a clown. It's sad, because someone like my father still hangs on his every word and regurgitates his out of touch comments verbatim. The cars are nothing like what Jackie drove, the circus itself has changed out of all recognition since he was king of the castle. He needs to let it go a bit. He has his place, but his incessant 'being available for comment' is rather tragic.

You can add Moss, Lauda, Jones & Scheckter to that list.


I don't really understand why we shouldn't listen to them and still find it interesting to discuss anything here. They may be on the older side but most have been present in the sport in some way or another for a long time. Walking around the paddock, spealking to numerous people deeply involved in the sport today.

They might be wrong at times and utter comments that does not agree with everyone, arguably so are most posters here.

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#52 Burtros

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:16

Could have gone either way for Hamilton. It was a risk no matter how it turns out.

I think its good old drivers stick their neck out. They are not always wrong and they are not always right as this shows - but its not fair to say they dont know what they are talking about.

It gives us something to talk about at least, its one of the great things about F1 if you ask me.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:17

The proof of the pudding's in the eating, and Lewis was two seconds faster than the closest McLaren in qualifying. Jackie Stewart has an opinion on everything, and often people defer to him just because he's a former champion – it's about time someone called his bluff, and this time Lewis has the stopwatch on his side.

#54 Wander

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:19

Lewis is digging himself a hole again.

#55 Watkins74

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:21

5th place isn't all that impressive, I think the bragging is a little premature. This just reinforces how people get into Lewis's head.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:22

The proof of the pudding's in the eating, and Lewis was two seconds faster than the closest McLaren in qualifying. Jackie Stewart has an opinion on everything, and often people defer to him just because he's a former champion – it's about time someone called his bluff, and this time Lewis has the stopwatch on his side.

JS said it was a risk - which is true. You are saying that risk appears to have paid off - hmm, maybe… at the moment, sure.

JS did NOT say that it was a risk that would fail, only that it was a risk - so what?

#57 P123

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:30

5th place isn't all that impressive, I think the bragging is a little premature. This just reinforces how people get into Lewis's head.


There isn't any bragging. And nothing mentioned of where the car finished. Many prejudged his move; I'd say Hamilton has a right of reply, unless your applying different standards to what he is allowed to say compared to others. He's always been comfortable with his move to Mercedes.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:30

5th place isn't all that impressive, I think the bragging is a little premature. This just reinforces how people get into Lewis's head.

Think about it a bit in respect to what what as being said about leaving Mclaren for Merc and maybe just maybe you will gain an insight and figure out why Hamilton said what he said and you might even reach the conclusion that he was not bragging.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:31

5th place isn't all that impressive, I think the bragging is a little premature. This just reinforces how people get into Lewis's head.


I don't think it's about the results, didn't he expect it to be a year in the midfield anyway? He's right to say they don't know what they're talking about though, because no one knows why he fell out of McLaren...



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#60 stanga

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:33

Stalking Lewis on Twitter/fb? What?

First quote - absolutely accurate. He is the quickest, but he is not the most consistent. What exactly is wrong with that?

Second quote - again, try reading it a bit more carefully. He's saying that provided he isn't being swayed by emotional factors, then it's all fine. But he should be careful about that. Totally correct.


If you are only as good as your last race, then perhaps you are only as good as your last season too.

Perhaps you were watching something else in 2012, but he looked pretty consistent to me:

- more poles than anyone else
- only man to make Q3 every weekend
- but for two car failures, would have won as many races as anyone else

Your lack of objectivity gives you away every time, I'm afraid.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:35

I don't think it's about the results, didn't he expect it to be a year in the midfield anyway? He's right to say they don't know what they're talking about though, because no one knows why he fell out of McLaren...

We may not know but people who travel the world in the F1 circus know. Some of these people have been friends for decades. Just because some people can keep info to themselves doesn't mean they don't know. Plenty of people know what happened.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:36

While some are defending jackie, I dont think Lewis has spoken a word about him. People should read the complete article first.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:37

I don't often agree with Hamilton, but he is correct in what he says here, and especially aiming it at them 2 certain drivers. Jackie and Sterling are good value for talk on past F1, but come on they know next to nothing about modern day f1 even if they do hang around pit lanes. They always seem to have something to say about somebody. I stopped listening to the pair of them years ago.

Edited by Massa_f1, 19 March 2013 - 16:38.


#64 GlenP

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:41

If you are only as good as your last race, then perhaps you are only as good as your last season too.

Perhaps you were watching something else in 2012, but he looked pretty consistent to me:

- more poles than anyone else
- only man to make Q3 every weekend
- but for two car failures, would have won as many races as anyone else

Your lack of objectivity gives you away every time, I'm afraid.

Perhaps you might like to read before you reply.

I did not say he was inconsistent. I said I agree that he is not the most consistent.

Do not put words in my mouth - it is not I that make assumptions, it is you it seems.

Plus - talking of objectivity - it is your gross lack of objectivity that causes you to read anything that is not 1000% behind LH as being somehow anti LH, I suggest. I already said that I applaud his risk taking in moving, and that I agree he is the fastest (but not the most consistent, which I would say, objectively, is Alonso). Whether it turns out to be a wise move to go the Mercedes is anyone's guess - doesn't look bad right now, after one nineteenth of the season, sure.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:44

We may not know but people who travel the world in the F1 circus know. Some of these people have been friends for decades. Just because some people can keep info to themselves doesn't mean they don't know. Plenty of people know what happened.


his comments sound like what McLaren would have said to convince Hamilton to stay, he probably knows the story from McLaren's side, but not Hamilton's side.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:53

In fact it appears Sir Jackie thinks any move in any direction is as a bad idea...


You've got to know when to slam the brakes on.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:00

While some are defending jackie, I dont think Lewis has spoken a word about him. People should read the complete article first.


This, it's the authors that are implying that it's Jackie or "Former drivers". Lewis has just said its nice to prove people wrong, which surely he is entitled to do?

They guy went from a giant of a team to a team with less performance and its worked out for him.

#68 senna da silva

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:04

@ this thread.... :rolleyes:

#69 stanga

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:05

Perhaps you might like to read before you reply.

I did not say he was inconsistent. I said I agree that he is not the most consistent.

Do not put words in my mouth - it is not I that make assumptions, it is you it seems.

Plus - talking of objectivity - it is your gross lack of objectivity that causes you to read anything that is not 1000% behind LH as being somehow anti LH, I suggest. I already said that I applaud his risk taking in moving, and that I agree he is the fastest (but not the most consistent, which I would say, objectively, is Alonso). Whether it turns out to be a wise move to go the Mercedes is anyone's guess - doesn't look bad right now, after one nineteenth of the season, sure.


Perhaps you should check out the words of the guy you are steadfastly defending. He never mentioned 'most' - you invented that. Probably as a convenient jumping off point...

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:08

Has anyone read exactly what Lewis said. The headline is sensationalized up the wazoo.

"It's been everyone, particularly all the ex-drivers commenting that it was the worst decision ever. They said: 'He's going to finish nowhere, they're going to be nowhere.' And then they contradicted themselves, going the other way.

"They don't know what they're talking about. They're either this way or that, when the truth is the bit in the middle."

He has also been balanced in his criticism of his detractors IMO, by saying the truth lies in the middle.

Edited by F1Johnny, 19 March 2013 - 17:42.


#71 GlenP

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:11

Perhaps you should check out the words of the guy you are steadfastly defending. He never mentioned 'most' - you invented that. Probably as a convenient jumping off point...

OK, I take that back. JS did not say most consistent.

But what JS did say is not untrue anyway. Hamilton was brilliant in 2012. But not in 2011. There is nothing JS said that is wrong, or anything like as bad as reported.

And I believe I was correct to defend my objectivity, especially when criticised by people so obviously partisan.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:19

I'm now a Hamilton fan :up: :clap:

#73 surbjits

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:21

5th place isn't all that impressive, I think the bragging is a little premature. This just reinforces how people get into Lewis's head.


5th place vs look where McLaren were in the race?

Who's laughing now? Hamilton is laughing all the way to the bank, literally.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:23

Lewis is digging himself a hole again.


How? Did you even read the article?

:rolleyes:

#75 P123

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:30

Has anyone read exactly what Lewis said. The headline is sensationalized up the wazoo.

"It's been everyone, particularly all the ex-drivers commenting that it was the worst decision ever. They said: 'He's going to finish nowhere, they're going to be nowhere.' And then they contradicted themselves, going the other way.

"They don't know what they're talking about. They're either this way or that, when the truth is the bit in the middle."

He has also been balanced in his criticism of his detractors IMO, by saying the truth lies in the middle.


I think you need to bold it and make the font bigger, because many, typically, are being led by the headline and their past grievances.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:35

That so call article is nonsense,they took bits and pieces from different interviews to make that into something readable.All they are trying to do is sell papers,people should be a little more smart when it comes to crap article like that.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:44

They gave their opinions(whoever he was talking about)? So lewis gave his opinion, which he had every right to. Lewis desperately wanted to leave mclaren. Apparently he told bernie he would rather take a year off than stay at mclaren. Fact is, Lewis was criticised for staying at mclaren, ppl said he has it to easy. He then decides to leave .mclaren and gets stick for it.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:56

I agree, specially when it comes to Lauda.

Or Martin Brundle.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:02

Lewis is right imo, IIRC Jackie Stewart said something about Vettel not being a great becuase he has had the fastest car, even though when Jackie won his WDCs, he had the the fastest cars. Bit of a double standard no?


No. He didn't have the fastest F1 cars during his career.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:13

This story seems sensationalized to hell and back.

Stewart said that going to Mercedes when you have been with McLaren for years is a risky decision that he wouldn't personally do.

Lewis said that the truth is not always black and white, that he and Mercedes won't necessarily be the second coming of Schumi-Ferrari, but they may not be Villeneuve-BAR either.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:21

Interesting that lewis would speak out over opinionated former drivers when his boss is...... Lauda!

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:22

And never trust a fart when you get that old!


:rotfl:
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Made my day!


:rotfl: Mine too!

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:27

Maybe he should tell his view of older driver to Lauda.

#84 motorhead

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:46

So Lewis hasn´t said anything bad exactly about Stewart and vice versa....and still we have Sir Jackie Stewart bashing going on here :wave:

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:47

Lewis has spectacular reflexes. His mouth moves way before his brain does.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:48

What does Hamilton have to be proud of going to Merc though? it's likely if he'd stayed at McLaren they'd have evolved the MP4-27 so they'd still be front running. Merc qualified 3rd last year in Melbourne just like Hamilton did (and without a team struggling as much as McLaren is - if they weren't Hamilton might've been P5). If Schumacher had finished last year it's likely he would've matched Lewis's position too... WHAT IS LEWIS BOASTING ABOUT? :S

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 19:01

What does Hamilton have to be proud of going to Merc though? it's likely if he'd stayed at McLaren they'd have evolved the MP4-27 so they'd still be front running. Merc qualified 3rd last year in Melbourne just like Hamilton did (and without a team struggling as much as McLaren is - if they weren't Hamilton might've been P5). If Schumacher had finished last year it's likely he would've matched Lewis's position too... WHAT IS LEWIS BOASTING ABOUT? :S


Utter nonsense. They would've decided the concept of the car at around this time last year, well before they knew whether or not Hamilton was staying. You're grasping at straws if you're trying to argue it wasn't a good move for hamilton. It's the best thing for him, in terms of his mindset, as well as being in a car that is competitive not just now but in the future.

Conversely, there are a lot of questions that hangover Mclaren at the moment. 2009 wasn't a good year, 2011 they royally screwed up in winter testing with the fan tail exhaust but were fortunate that when they copied the red bull solution it gave them instant lap time. They've lost a lead driver, lost their main sponsor, there's question marks over engines, they've lost their technical director, the car they've produced is an absolute mutt and under the stewardship of Whitmarsh the good ship mclaren are looking rudderless. In the first race of the season, they've made a litany of errors that blighted them last year - putting button and perez on to ss tyres too soon in q 2, then putting button on ss too soon in q3 so tyres were destroyed for race, slow pitstops (6th fastest team overall), inexplicably putting Perez on to super softs in second stints and losing a shed load of time. They're calamitous as a team at the moment and I can't see Whitmarsh there beyond this season.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 20:45

They gave their opinions(whoever he was talking about)? So lewis gave his opinion, which he had every right to. Lewis desperately wanted to leave mclaren. Apparently he told bernie he would rather take a year off than stay at mclaren. Fact is, Lewis was criticised for staying at mclaren, ppl said he has it to easy. He then decides to leave .mclaren and gets stick for it.


:up: :up: :up:

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I'm not much of an LH fan, but the stick he gets is ridiculous.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 20:45

Good for Lewis for giving his honest opinion about ex drivers.
I think he's spot on in this case.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 21:00

Much ado about nothing if you asked me. Lewis is old and mature enough to make adult decisions in his life whether they are right or wrong. This thread is just a flaming thread...there is nothing controversial about what he said.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 21:01

5th place isn't all that impressive, I think the bragging is a little premature. This just reinforces how people get into Lewis's head.


Just to reiterate, this article is based off an interview which was taken before the grand prix. I think they showed it on the F1 show on Sky on Friday.

He isn't bragging about a fifth place, he is eluding to the fact that people are keen to make concrete conclusions based on abstract concepts. Just because one car is fast/slow at the end of one season, doesn't mean its successor will possess the exact same traits.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 21:06

I agree with Lewis 100%. Former drivers, especially ones from eras in which F1 was very different, like to run their mouths a bit too much in my opinion.

Well yes because that's all they can do

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 21:16

Interesting that lewis would speak out over opinionated former drivers when his boss is...... Lauda!



Maybe he should tell his view of older driver to Lauda.


I presume you've missed the interviews in which he has indeed extended his views on how people speak out about him without knowing him to include his new boss...

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 21:17

My God, think of the viral success a marketer could have if only they could get Lewis to give an interview where he criticises their product! I wonder how many forum-posts-per-actual-quoted-word he gets for the average interview where he does anything other than say "the team did a fantastic job"? It's insane marketing gold.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 21:21

Lewis has spectacular reflexes. His mouth moves way before his brain does.


:up:



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Posted 19 March 2013 - 22:42

Utter nonsense. They would've decided the concept of the car at around this time last year, well before they knew whether or not Hamilton was staying. You're grasping at straws if you're trying to argue it wasn't a good move for hamilton. It's the best thing for him, in terms of his mindset, as well as being in a car that is competitive not just now but in the future.

Conversely, there are a lot of questions that hangover Mclaren at the moment. 2009 wasn't a good year, 2011 they royally screwed up in winter testing with the fan tail exhaust but were fortunate that when they copied the red bull solution it gave them instant lap time. They've lost a lead driver, lost their main sponsor, there's question marks over engines, they've lost their technical director, the car they've produced is an absolute mutt and under the stewardship of Whitmarsh the good ship mclaren are looking rudderless. In the first race of the season, they've made a litany of errors that blighted them last year - putting button and perez on to ss tyres too soon in q 2, then putting button on ss too soon in q3 so tyres were destroyed for race, slow pitstops (6th fastest team overall), inexplicably putting Perez on to super softs in second stints and losing a shed load of time. They're calamitous as a team at the moment and I can't see Whitmarsh there beyond this season.


Err not true at all, they probably decided the car concept AFTER Lewis left, as in case you didn't notice Button said the 2013 car was designed around him. Doubt that'd be true if they thought they were keeping Lewis.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 22:43

I guess the winner of this argument depended on McLaren producing a pos car or not. Kinda sad :lol:

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 22:52

Err not true at all, they probably decided the car concept AFTER Lewis left, as in case you didn't notice Button said the 2013 car was designed around him. Doubt that'd be true if they thought they were keeping Lewis.


Right. They started the 28 concept in December. :drunk:

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 22:53

QUOTE (mattferg @ Mar 19 2013, 23:42) *
Err not true at all, they probably decided the car concept AFTER Lewis left, as in case you didn't notice Button said the 2013 car was designed around him. Doubt that'd be true if they thought they were keeping Lewis.


No. Lewis announced he was going to leave in September from what I remember. The MP4-28 would have been designed long before then...

Edited by McLaren, 19 March 2013 - 22:55.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 23:03

Lewis has spectacular reflexes. His mouth moves way before his brain does.


And it's all positive according to his new team

“A great guy. That once again confirms my own belief that there is a lot more to being a world champion than merely having a strong right foot (on the pedal),”
“He has social intelligence, he is good with people, he knows how to motivate them, he is a meticulous worker. It's a lot of fun to work with professional people. If they are also nice, that's even better. All of us in the team are delighted that Lewis has joined us.”

- Toto Wolff
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