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#151 F.M.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:00

It does for everyone. [b[Just buy the tablet app.[/b] Yes, it costs money, but it shows all practice lap times, tyre stints, top speeds and allows in-sync replay if you can't watch the session live. Mind you, today it didn't due some glitch at the track.

Or, you know, just google where to download it for free.

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#152 SunnyENTP

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:10

1% of F1 fans still bring millions in revenue.



How does live timing bring revenue? Its free and spending more to upgrade it with more features would only make sense if people pay for it. Bernie did not become rich giving away free stuff that easily. As for those who paid for the APP that's money for his daughters designer gear.

#153 Shiroo

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:12

RBR's drivers whinning about tyre wear

#154 tormave

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:13

Or, you know, just google where to download it for free.

Oh yeah, probably at least for Android. My iPad's not jailbroken so no free downloads for me. I think the app is well worth the price per race tho.

#155 Vieras

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:18

How does live timing bring revenue? Its free and spending more to upgrade it with more features would only make sense if people pay for it. Bernie did not become rich giving away free stuff that easily. As for those who paid for the APP that's money for his daughters designer gear.


Everything doesn't have to bring revenue directly. Sometimes it is enough that it makes sport/show more interesting and people keep watching the broadcasts instead of reading the sport section next morning.

#156 muramasa

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:24


wow madness going on in GP2. that driver should be banned for a season.

#157 NotSoSilentBob

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:01

Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi did the Kimi fans mention Kimi? Next we'll be hearing from them that he's doing it in a car that's not the best....

#158 Jovanotti

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:05

Next we'll be hearing from them that he's doing it in a car that's not the best....

No, that is reserved to Hamilton and Alonso fans.

Edited by Jovanotti, 22 March 2013 - 09:05.


#159 weareracing

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:05

:smoking:
You do realise that Raikkonen in out-performing the field in NOT the best car :smoking:
Happy?

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#160 Jeeves

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:08

Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi did the Kimi fans mention Kimi? Next we'll be hearing from them that he's doing it in a car that's not the best....


Nah, that's usually been Alonso and his fans.

Someone somewhere mentioned that Lotus is about to inform about a new main sponsorship deal, so it could be that they're a bit lighter today than usual.

Edited by Jeeves, 22 March 2013 - 09:09.


#161 mclarennut

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:09

Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi did the Kimi fans mention Kimi? Next we'll be hearing from them that he's doing it in a car that's not the best....


:rotfl: They should start a We Love Kimi topic or all get a room :kiss: .

Edited by mclarennut, 22 March 2013 - 09:12.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:14

Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi did the Kimi fans mention Kimi? Next we'll be hearing from them that he's doing it in a car that's not the best....

You just described Alonso:)

Edited by Shiroo, 22 March 2013 - 09:14.


#163 F.M.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:20

Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi did the Kimi fans mention Kimi? Next we'll be hearing from them that he's doing it in a car that's not the best....

The car is not the best in outright pace, as I believe Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes are better in that aspect or at least equal. But on tyre performance, the Lotus might just be the class of the field among the top teams.

Edited by F.M., 22 March 2013 - 09:22.


#164 Diderlo

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:21

There is always talk about the driver that impresses whether that was Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton or anyone.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:21

Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi Kimi did the Kimi fans mention Kimi? Next we'll be hearing from them that he's doing it in a car that's not the best....

Dont you worry, im sure Shiny Legs will top atleast one FP in the future. :p

#166 Flamini

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:32

Dont you worry, im sure Shiny Legs will top atleast one FP in the future. :p


Shiny Legs :lol:

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:39

grosjean is having car problems , a new chassis is a must now

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:41

:smoking:
You do realise that Raikkonen in out-performing the field in NOT the best car :smoking:
Happy?


You do realise that Lotus is by far the best car with tyre management, it was already last year and now that this year tyres are even softer the Lotus has an even bigger advantage, + the car it's even faster than last year. Don't know what Grosjean is doing but he isn't as fast as the top drivers anyway so he is not a measure for how good the car is but his car is also not eating tyres so it proves that it's Lotus and not Kimi that preserves the tyres.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:44

I missed the FPs, but looking at the laptime standings that's the exact same pecking order as Melbourne. Which is slightly bizarre as usually top laptimes are scrambled and don't tell the whole picture, but it's far too close to be a coincidence. On this basis I'm very confident for the race, Kimi and Lotus are indeed looking mega strong at the moment but Ferrari and Red Bull are close contenders.

This also probably indicates that a settled pecking order has already emerged, a little sooner than the norm, but Lotus vs Ferrari vs Red Bull for the title is what this season seems to be about. Which is brilliant. :up:

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:46

grosjean is having car problems , a new chassis is a must now


Lotus alreaydy checked the car and there is nothing wrong with the chassis...it's setup issues and he is a bit lost with them at the moment, he just has to work it out and up his game.

#171 Dolph

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:46

But why should they invest money and time on something that less than 1% of the fans use?



Invest money??? The live timing app looks like it did 10 years ago and has the functinality of a brick. I think a a few thousand euros "investment" every 10 or so years wouldn't hurt, would it!?

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:49

You do realise that Lotus is by far the best car with tyre management, it was already last year and now that this year tyres are even softer the Lotus has an even bigger advantage, + the car it's even faster than last year. Don't know what Grosjean is doing but he isn't as fast as the top drivers anyway so he is not a measure for how good the car is but his car is also not eating tyres so it proves that it's Lotus and not Kimi that preserves the tyres.



not only the car and not only the driver that is the correct answer to the preserving tyres. Lotus is very kind for the tyres and so is Kimi, he has been the most gentle driver for his tyres with Button for years now, Grosjean is also very kind to his tyres but he destroyed them at melbourne unlike Kimi who was able to save them.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:51

I missed the FPs, but looking at the laptime standings that's the exact same pecking order as Melbourne. Which is slightly bizarre as usually top laptimes are scrambled and don't tell the whole picture, but it's far too close to be a coincidence. On this basis I'm very confident for the race, Kimi and Lotus are indeed looking mega strong at the moment but Ferrari and Red Bull are close contenders.

This also probably indicates that a settled pecking order has already emerged, a little sooner than the norm, but Lotus vs Ferrari vs Red Bull for the title is what this season seems to be about. Which is brilliant. :up:


I agree but lets not forget Mercedes, they only focused on long runs and working with tyres today and are surely very close to the top...also McLaren will bounce back for sure but when is the question.

#174 MP422

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:57

Looking like Nico Hulkenberg made a big mistake leaving FI. :cat:

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:00

not only the car and not only the driver that is the correct answer to the preserving tyres. Lotus is very kind for the tyres and so is Kimi, he has been the most gentle driver for his tyres with Button for years now, Grosjean is also very kind to his tyres but he destroyed them at melbourne unlike Kimi who was able to save them.


It's mostly the car, this tyres are so sensitive that drivers can barely make any differences. Perez is supposed to be an agressive driver yet last year he could be out longer than anybody, while he can't do this year with the Mclaren. It's all about the car, put Hamilton the so called tyre destroyer in the Lotus and he wouldn't have any bigger problems with the tyres than Kimi has right now.

#176 F.M.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:02

Looking like Nico Hulkenberg made a big mistake leaving FI. :cat:

Not if he's after a Ferrari seat ;)

#177 windtravels

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:07

what time is fp3/quali uk time? cheers.

#178 benzine

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:08

Force India looks like the real deal :love: :love: for 5th WCC , go Sutil !!

#179 F.M.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:10

Button says no degradation fears for the race.

"I don't think there's a lot of degradation here, I think we're not going to see much degradation in the race at all so it's definitely not an issue that we have here like we had in the first race."

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#180 MP422

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:10

Not if he's after a Ferrari seat ;)



I don't see why you have to be in a Sauber to get to Ferrari. Makes zero sense. Perez is a good example of that.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:26

No, that is reserved to Hamilton and Alonso fans.

Because they had arguments to support such claim - the same arguments you guys have been desperately looking for so that you could do the same! :p

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 11:14

Practice 1: :: Sector times :: Lap Chart
Practice 2: :: Sector times :: Lap Chart


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:59

Because they had arguments to support such claim - the same arguments you guys have been desperately looking for so that you could do the same! :p


You got that right. Only bad thing about being a Lotus fan is that the car is always clearly superior. Must be nice to support underdogs such as Ferrari and Mclaren. :)

Edited by Vieras, 22 March 2013 - 13:01.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 13:09

"Speaking of great corners, I spent Friday watching our aces through the very quick left- and right-handers they call Turns Five and Six. I’m particularly fond of this section because there are about three different solutions to the problems posed by high-speed changes of direction. You can really lean on the right rear as you go in, then ask a lot of the car as you pivot it back to the left rear for the dive into the right-hander (as Mark Webber, Romain Grosjean, Paul di Resta and Sergio Perez were doing); you can compromise the left-hander a little and move the car way over to the left for the right-hander that follows (as Nico Rosberg and Jenson Button were neatly doing); or you can ride a very narrow line of perfection by finding the tiniest of “neutral” zones for the change of direction between the two corners (as Kimi Raikkonen, Sebastian Vettel, Fernando Alonso and Adrian Sutil were doing). The last group also tucked in a little earlier to the apex of the right-hander (Turn Six), thus shortening the corner. All this in a flash of a second – but easy to see from the elevated vantage points both on the inside and outside of the corners. Best through this section? Kimi, by a car’s width or two, although Lewis never really looked as though he was on the absolute limit."

http://peterwindsor....sepang-paddock/

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 13:16

You got that right. Only bad thing about being a Lotus fan is that the car is always clearly superior. Must be nice to support underdogs such as Ferrari and Mclaren. :)

Not really. It was nice to support an underdog like Minardi, but with Ferrari and Mclaren you are always better off with a great car - or so I assume, because I have always been a die-hard Renault supporter. And for the record, I am referring to THE Renault F1 team, including the Williams partnership but not the Genii team (which some may find arbitrary, I know, but that's what I chose to support). :)

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 13:20

"Speaking of great corners, I spent Friday watching our aces through the very quick left- and right-handers they call Turns Five and Six. I’m particularly fond of this section because there are about three different solutions to the problems posed by high-speed changes of direction. You can really lean on the right rear as you go in, then ask a lot of the car as you pivot it back to the left rear for the dive into the right-hander (as Mark Webber, Romain Grosjean, Paul di Resta and Sergio Perez were doing); you can compromise the left-hander a little and move the car way over to the left for the right-hander that follows (as Nico Rosberg and Jenson Button were neatly doing); or you can ride a very narrow line of perfection by finding the tiniest of “neutral” zones for the change of direction between the two corners (as Kimi Raikkonen, Sebastian Vettel, Fernando Alonso and Adrian Sutil were doing). The last group also tucked in a little earlier to the apex of the right-hander (Turn Six), thus shortening the corner. All this in a flash of a second – but easy to see from the elevated vantage points both on the inside and outside of the corners. Best through this section? Kimi, by a car’s width or two, although Lewis never really looked as though he was on the absolute limit."

http://peterwindsor....sepang-paddock/


Adrian Sutil is in good company haha.

#187 undersquare

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 13:36

How does live timing bring revenue? Its free and spending more to upgrade it with more features would only make sense if people pay for it. Bernie did not become rich giving away free stuff that easily. As for those who paid for the APP that's money for his daughters designer gear.


How does having all the trucks clean and lined up bring revenue? Having stars on the grid? It's all the same, it's just that Bernie gets stars and presentation.

The data should be a huge part of the show, but Bernie ignores it.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 13:41

Looking like Nico Hulkenberg made a big mistake leaving FI. :cat:



Serves him right.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 13:53

Would I be wrong in saying that alonso is the ONLY driver in F1 who, probably due to his incessant propaganda, is the only one who gets merit IN SPITE of his car? All the other drivers that stand out or win, its always the car that did it. A bit silly imo.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 14:03

Would I be wrong in saying that alonso is the ONLY driver in F1 who, probably due to his incessant propaganda, is the only one who gets merit IN SPITE of his car? All the other drivers that stand out or win, its always the car that did it. A bit silly imo.


Many times he gets merit for the development and evolution of the car

#191 rasul

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 14:04

Would I be wrong in saying that alonso is the ONLY driver in F1 who, probably due to his incessant propaganda, is the only one who gets merit IN SPITE of his car? All the other drivers that stand out or win, its always the car that did it. A bit silly imo.


No. I don't think you would be wrong.

If he were in Kimi's place, everyone would be saying that Alonso is "outdriving" his average car. :rolleyes: Good thing Massa finally seems to have found his pace, so we don't have that nonsense now.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 14:09

No. I don't think you would be wrong.

If he were in Kimi's place, everyone would be saying that Alonso is "outdriving" his average car. :rolleyes: Good thing Massa finally seems to have found his pace, so we don't have that nonsense now.

So last year was all about Massa not finding his pace and Alonso was doing an average job in the F2012. Sure.

Looking good for Ferrari in Sepang, though the Lotus in Kimi's hands just looks ominous. Kimi's showing great speed and consistency after shaking off the rust last year, and in that car he's sure to win a race or two before the development race really kicks in. By that point the likes of RB and Ferrari should pull ahead, but we'll see.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 14:13

Q: Is it likely to be another race where doing one less stop than your rivals is one of the keys to success, do you think?
PF: I’m not sure how close we are to a three to four changeover or a two to three changeover. We need to have a look through the data and see really. I’d like to see James try and two stop here on Sunday.
Q: James, do you fancy it?
JA: Generally speaking this track is one stop more than Melbourne, so I think that might be a bit brave



Lold at that one

#194 rasul

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 14:13

So last year was all about Massa not finding his pace and Alonso was doing an average job in the F2012. Sure.


No. Last year Alonso did a good job in the F2012, but that's it. Massa was very poor until the last few races.

But that is OT.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 15:08

No. Last year Alonso did a good job in the F2012, but that's it. Massa was very poor until the last few races.

Massa's races in China, Bahrain, Monaco, Great Britain, Italy, Korea, and India were hardly poor. That was just a matter of Alonso severely outperforming him.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 15:28

Probably discussed already, but what is this spray inside the cockpit? did he hit the fire extinguisher thing by accident?

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Yes. He ran wide at high speed over the kerbs through the one of the corners. The jolting must have set off the extinguisher.

#197 prty

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 15:29

Yes. He ran wide at high speed over the kerbs through the one of the corners. The jolting must have set off the extinguisher.


Yea I'm watching the practice now and it's mentioned just a few minutes before, deleted my message because of that. Thanks for the answer though!

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 15:29

Looking like Nico Hulkenberg made a big mistake leaving FI. :cat:


Force India's owner is not exactly in a financial healthy state of mind, is he? But I admit their form is excellent. They keeping much richer Mercedes very honest.

#199 rasul

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 15:29

Massa's races in China, Bahrain, Monaco, Great Britain, Italy, Korea, and India were hardly poor. That was just a matter of Alonso severely outperforming him.


I guess I just have different standards for Ferrari drivers. Alonso did severely outperform Massa -- I don't think anyone would disagree with it -- but to me, it wasn't Alonso who was that good that he "outperformed the car," but Massa who was that bad. When Massa overcame his problems in the last races and found his pace, it became pretty obvious, as Alonso suddenly stopped "outperforming the car." Alonso did a very good job in 2012 overall, but some people take it to extremes.

But again, this is very off topic.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 15:47

No. I don't think you would be wrong.

If he were in Kimi's place, everyone would be saying that Alonso is "outdriving" his average car. :rolleyes: Good thing Massa finally seems to have found his pace, so we don't have that nonsense now.


On the other hand one could also use the counter argument against Kimi, stating that the car is indeed pretty good, just the team mate is so bad. In the end this debate is pointless. Teams do pay their lead drivers a lot of money, so that they extract more from the car than the No.2 driver. Currently i would say Kimi lets the Lotus shine, as much as Alonso let the Ferrari look good last year.

Edited by seahawk, 22 March 2013 - 16:07.