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#1 weareracing

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:43

Any news on the pit-lane incidents during the race?
The Caterham/Toro Rosso coming together was going to be looked after the race, but 2 other incidents appear to have gone EITHER un-noticed or un-punished.
Ted Kravitz mentioned the Massa into the path of Perez incident which he described as the clearest case of an un-safe release, then the Hulkenberg in front of Raikkonen which was shown live during the race.
Fines seem inappropriate when it affects track positions and race results.
Just looking for any news/clarification and opinions.

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#2 liauzh

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:23

Toro Rosso fined.
JEV keep his position.

#3 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:25

Usually when unsafe releases are investigated after the race there are only reprimands or fines, whilst it is investigated during the race they get a drive through. Seems a bit off.

Nevertheless, lucky for Vergne he gets to keep his point then.

#4 DaddyCool

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:43

Don't forget Button. While the wheel didn't fall off from the hub, it still was an unsafe release, and FIA used to treat loose wheel cases seriously.

#5 weareracing

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:48

And well reminded/remembered DaddyCool.
Many inconsistencies today.

#6 Realyn

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:50

Every time I see those "accidents" I fear for a mechanic to get killed. Sadly, I believe that will happen at some point in the next couple of years.

#7 PayasYouRace

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:56

There seemed to be a lot of this going on today. I wonder if it's just coincidence or if some factor was coming into play.

#8 weareracing

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:51

Still surprised that no action taken over the Hulkenberg release, Kimi had to swerve towards the pit-wall to avoid contact.
Not sure where race control was coming from today, the pit-lane is not a zone to take unnecessary risks.

#9 Baddoer

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:12

Should Bottas get final point of the race?

#10 Cenotaph

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:25

Team was fined as usual in these cases. Nothing else is necessary

#11 Fastcake

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 15:13

Were they fined? I tend to think unsafe releases should be punished more severely than a small fine.

#12 Clatter

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 15:17

Were they fined? I tend to think unsafe releases should be punished more severely than a small fine.


The team should be punished, but the driver is totally at the mercy of the team instructions. They have no idea if there is someone coming down the pitlane.




#13 scheivlak

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 15:23

Strange decision.

Usually you get a drive through penalty for this - why not now?

#14 Fastcake

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 16:17

The team should be punished, but the driver is totally at the mercy of the team instructions. They have no idea if there is someone coming down the pitlane.


I know, but there isn't really a meaningful punishment that the FIA can impose on a team that doesn't also affect the driver. A drive-through may be unfair to the driver, but ultimately he is part of the team and if someone screws up they all suffer.

#15 Clatter

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 17:06

I know, but there isn't really a meaningful punishment that the FIA can impose on a team that doesn't also affect the driver. A drive-through may be unfair to the driver, but ultimately he is part of the team and if someone screws up they all suffer.


True enough.

To be honest, and as mentioned above, I'm slightly more curious as to the random nature in which the stewards investigate these incidents. Why did they need to wait until the end of the race?

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 17:27

I'm quite surprised that Vergne survived with a fine to his team, IIRC these incidents usually are punished with a drive through penalty. Even post race, penalties can be applied.
As a Bottas fan I'm quite gutted that the FIA looked softly upon Toro Rosso :/

#17 RoryF1

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 17:29

I think it should have been just a fine. It wasn't the drivers fault, the team made an error.

#18 Fastcake

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 18:52

To be honest, and as mentioned above, I'm slightly more curious as to the random nature in which the stewards investigate these incidents. Why did they need to wait until the end of the race?


Good question. I understand waiting until the end if the incident involves two drivers who retired, as then it won't occupy the stewards time if another incident comes along and it makes no difference to the rest of the race, but for a simple incident such as this when the guilty party is still on track, just why did they wait?