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#51 2ms

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:14

Fernando also has the utmost respect of every other driver out there. Even Felipe. It's a lot easier to get your team-mate to play ball when they actually respect you, Webber is never going to play with Vettel again and it could end up biting Vettel in the ass.


In other words you think Red Bull should quit the equal driver policy and adopt a Ferrari style with a Massa-style second driver?

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#52 showtime

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:21

Nice OP, none would guess which answer 2ms was willing to obtain, not guided at all... :lol: Sad obsession as always.

#53 SpartanChas

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:22

In other words you think Red Bull should quit the equal driver policy and adopt a Ferrari style with a Massa-style second driver?

I think Vettel should have tried harder to gain/keep Webber's respect. And consider next time they offer a contract to whoever will be Vettel's teammate, that he will be the number two.

Edited by SpartanChas, 24 March 2013 - 12:28.


#54 MarileneRiddle

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:29

I think Vettel should have tried harder to gain/keep Webber's respect.

I think Webber was never going to play nice to Sebastian anyway. People who were nice to Sebastian were Kimi and Schumacher.

#55 Snic

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:32

On-track:

Schumacher / Senna (track action)

Coming up:

Vettel.


:rotfl:

#56 2ms

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:33

I think Vettel should have tried harder to gain/keep Webber's respect. And consider next time they offer a contract to whoever will be Vettel's teammate, that he will be the number two.


I don't see Webber as a guy who would roll over for anyone. But it's getting OT. I think we agree that this situation makes Red Bull look bad and that maybe Vettel is a bit of a "brat" like people are saying in the style of Alonso who needs a clear second driver in the team.

#57 mnmracer

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:46

Alonso not ruthless on-track? :lol:
How about we ask David Coulthard or Robert Doornbos to start with.

#58 mnmracer

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:47

I don't see Webber as a guy who would roll over for anyone. But it's getting OT. I think we agree that this situation makes Red Bull look bad and that maybe Vettel is a bit of a "brat" like people are saying in the style of Alonso who needs a clear second driver in the team.

Obviously Vettel has shown he doesn't need Webber to be second driver.

#59 trogggy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:47

Alonso not ruthless on-track? :lol:
How about we ask David Coulthard or Robert Doornbos to start with.

Only last week as well...

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#60 SpartanChas

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:49

Red Bull do though. And they're Vettel's bosses.

Also Vettel wouldn't have won the championship last year had Webber not beaten Alonso at Silverstone, for example. And finishing ahead of him in Korea. Little things like that made all the difference.

Edited by SpartanChas, 24 March 2013 - 12:53.


#61 Jejking

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:49

:rotfl:

Care to elaborate why you think that's not the case?

#62 mnmracer

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:51

Only last week as well...

Last year?

#63 as65p

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:55

Alonso not ruthless on-track? :lol:
How about we ask David Coulthard or Robert Doornbos to start with.


Well, Dornboos was asked at the time and said he didn't have a problem with it.

Coulthard wanted to have a problem with it, only to shown Alonsos telemetry by Renault which proved that it was not a brake test.

However, I' gladly help you out with the one you missed, Alonso crashing under yellows in Brazil 2003.

Terrible record over 12 years in F1, surely.

#64 trogggy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:56

Last year?

Wow, that's some desperation there.




From you, I mean, obviously.

#65 LiJu914

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:57

But would Alonso have done what Vettel did today?


No because Ferrari would´ve never told him to stay behind Massa.

#66 Snic

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:57

Care to elaborate why you think that's not the case?


I think it is the case, just liked the wording :)

#67 Taxi

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:58

Alonso.

#68 Jejking

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:58

Well, Dornboos was asked at the time and said he didn't have a problem with it.

Coulthard wanted to have a problem with it, only to shown Alonsos telemetry by Renault which proved that it was not a brake test.

However, I' gladly help you out with the one you missed, Alonso crashing under yellows in Brazil 2003.

Terrible record over 12 years in F1, surely.

Got a source for that telemetry thing?

#69 mnmracer

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:59

Wow, that's some desperation there.
From you, I mean, obviously.

:lol:
Wow, that's the best you can come up with?

#70 JimiKart

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:00

Excellent choice of topics for Alonso bashing, I really have to wonder how many of the FA haters were even old enough to watch F1 in 2007, get over it already.

It's clear who's most ruthless - Seb - and until FA disobeys Ferrari team orders in plain public view, Seb will always be leader of the pack.

#71 SpartanChas

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:04

How could Fernando disobey team orders when they're all in his favour anyway? :stoned:

#72 as65p

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:07

Got a source for that telemetry thing?


http://www.autosport...t.php/id/10957/

"Following a report from the Race Director which stated that after an incident involving car number 8 (Fernando Alonso) and car number 5 (David Coulthard) which resulted in the latter car leaving the track, the Stewards of the Meeting summoned both drivers and their team representatives," said the statement from the FIA.

"Having heard evidence from both drivers and team representatives, viewed video and telemetry evidence, the Stewards of the Meeting are satisfied that the incident requires no further judicial action."


#73 Infinityl

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:09

Schumacher, followed by Vettel


#74 Taxi

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:09

Excellent choice of topics for Alonso bashing, I really have to wonder how many of the FA haters were even old enough to watch F1 in 2007, get over it already.

It's clear who's most ruthless - Seb - and until FA disobeys Ferrari team orders in plain public view, Seb will always be leader of the pack.

Being ruthless is not necessarily bad. Fernando wants to win and he get it done. I don't like him, but in order to have 2 titles, 30 wins and beeing one of the all time great you can't be a sweet angel. Trulli had the same speed he has, and look how he end up. Making wine.


Alonso is rutheless, and Vettel too that's why they are in front.

Edited by Taxi, 24 March 2013 - 13:11.


#75 Infinityl

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:10

How could Fernando disobey team orders when they're all in his favour anyway? :stoned:


He always respect Hamilton's extralap in qualifying in 2007. Btw Hamilton didnt.

#76 prty

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:11

Kimi widows.

I mean... Alonso!

I mean... don't know :cry:

#77 DrivenF1

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:12

Alonso is up there - he's been the most vocal about getting teammates out of the way when he's behind. I could name about 5-10 examples I know about.

#78 jerriy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:18

Alonso is up there - he's been the most vocal about getting teammates out of the way when he's behind. I could name about 5-10 examples I know about.

I thought there was a team order even right at the start of today's race - Massa was stuck behind Alo shortly after Alonso passed him on first turn... it seemed like Massa got faster at the next corner but dared not pass Alonso who by this time was getting bogged down and being passed by Webber & co on the outside.

#79 trogggy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:21

:lol:
Wow, that's the best you can come up with?

What do you want me to say?
He collided with Grosjean. Deliberately?
If that's supposed to prove ruthlessness... you must have an agenda.

Anyway I'm no FA fan so I'll leave you to your ridiculousness.

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#80 JBonnierII

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:26

These days you can translate ruthless into winning. You prolly have to go back to the 70's to find a winner who wasn't ruthless but even then there was fights among team mates over preferential treatment.

#81 Jejking

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:28

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/10957/

"Following a report from the Race Director which stated that after an incident involving car number 8 (Fernando Alonso) and car number 5 (David Coulthard) which resulted in the latter car leaving the track, the Stewards of the Meeting summoned both drivers and their team representatives," said the statement from the FIA.

"Having heard evidence from both drivers and team representatives, viewed video and telemetry evidence, the Stewards of the Meeting are satisfied that the incident requires no further judicial action."

Thanks, I recall that one condemned by our own Dutch authority of F1 as a breaktest, lively :p Haha!

#82 bourbon

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:29

Alonso.

#83 JimiKart

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:32

I thought there was a team order even right at the start of today's race - Massa was stuck behind Alo shortly after Alonso passed him on first turn... it seemed like Massa got faster at the next corner but dared not pass Alonso who by this time was getting bogged down and being passed by Webber & co on the outside.


I haven't seen the race yet, but when Massa was free of Alonso after lap 2 what did he do with the Ferrari, did he take any points off Alonso's competition? or perhaps drop back from his starting position and leave FA and Ferrari's competition free to score points, btw when did Massa last finish ahead of the competition?

#84 as65p

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:37

I haven't seen the race yet, but when Massa was free of Alonso after lap 2 what did he do with the Ferrari, did he take any points off Alonso's competition? or perhaps drop back from his starting position and leave FA and Ferrari's competition free to score points, btw when did Massa last finish ahead of the competition?


Well, today showed us again what Massa is capable of once the burden of his no.1 teammate is relieved form his shoulders and the whole team is working for him alone.

 ;)

#85 choyothe

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:42

Obviously Vettel has shown he doesn't need Webber to be second driver.


Yup.

No because Ferrari would´ve never told him to stay behind Massa.


Yup.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:46

I don't think Alonso is that ruthless on-track. He thinks too much. Sometimes I have the feeling he likes to play it safe - he doesn't 'go for it' as much as the others. Or maybe he's just not that good an overtaker, I don't know.

Off-track, though, he's peerless. And what separates him from the likes of Vettel, Lewis, even Schumacher is that he is unapologetic about it. I kinda admire that in a way, much as I don't condone his actions.

#87 PMM3

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:48

On the track, Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton are equally ruthless. However I don't think Vettel and Hamilton extend their ruthless streak to even before they get on to the race track, whereas Alonso will. Look what a babbling joke of a Number 2 driver Massa has been reduced to. So Alonso has to be the most ruthless driver today.

#88 Skinnyguy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:03

Alonso if we´re talking about off track antics.

Webber when we get racing. He´s got a long story of reckless defensive driving which keeps growing and growing.

#89 GerardF1

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:04

Today it is Alonso

But this all goes back to Senna - and his being allowed to get away with what he did thereby setting the stage for the Schumachers and Alonsos

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 16:55

Excellent choice of topics for Alonso bashing, I really have to wonder how many of the FA haters were even old enough to watch F1 in 2007, get over it already.

It's clear who's most ruthless - Seb - and until FA disobeys Ferrari team orders in plain public view, Seb will always be leader of the pack.

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#91 Mr2s

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 17:00

I haven't seen the race yet, but when Massa was free of Alonso after lap 2 what did he do with the Ferrari, did he take any points off Alonso's competition? or perhaps drop back from his starting position and leave FA and Ferrari's competition free to score points, btw when did Massa last finish ahead of the competition?


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#92 Sausage

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 17:11

Senna can't be touched. No current driver would stoop as low and dangerous completely on purpose as Suzuka '90.

#93 choyothe

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 17:13

Senna can't be touched. No current driver would stoop as low and dangerous completely on purpose as Suzuka '90.


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