Will Mark Webber last the season with Red Bull? [merged]
#1
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:20
I believe the only thing keeping Webber at Red Bull is the owner Dietrich Mateschitz.
Mod edit - Two threads of very similar scope, so have merged.
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#2
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:22
But to be honest, it would look bad to fire Mark because VETTEL didn't respect team orders.
#3
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:24
#4
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:25
#5
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:25
#6
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:26
They will get a slow driver, than they have no problem with fingerboyWebber was actually very magnanimous under the circumstances.....
Rbr most evil team!
#7
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:26
As a Ferrari fan, I sure hope they would put a less competitive driver next to Vettel midseason.
#8
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:27
#9
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:28
I have to say, the team owner wanting him there is quite a big factor... What anybody else in the team thinks doesn't really matter.After today's events and Webber's comments afterwards. What are the odds of Red Bull deciding, enough is enough. It's not the first time Webber has publicly talked his team down. Don't get me wrong, I'm on Webber's side 100%, but seeing as Vettel is so much integrated into the team (especially with Marko and Horner) I can imagine them saying that Webber's time is up. And Buemi will probably hardly keep up with Vettel anyway but still able to score decent points, so for them it would be a win win.
I believe the only thing keeping Webber at Red Bull is the owner Dietrich Mateschitz.
#10
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:29
#11
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:30
#12
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:30
Totally lost on the OP however. Valid thread though - Webber won't be with the team in 2014 and that was made pretty clear last weekend, if anyone was paying attention.Webber was actually very magnanimous under the circumstances.....
... probably not.
#13
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:30
#14
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:30
#15
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:32
#16
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:33
Edited by superdelphinus, 24 March 2013 - 11:34.
#17
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:33
#18
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:33
#19
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:34
Edited by fisssssi, 24 March 2013 - 17:08.
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#20
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:35
If the drivers situation becomes untenable, regardless of whether he is at fault, they are not going to give Vettel the sack.
By putting in a lap dog second driver, Vettel has a team for life.
#21
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:35
#22
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:42
I'm sure he be given a harsh spanking.With a feather.Even Helmut Marko didn't blame Webber and said they would need to talk to Vettel. Now that says it all.
#23
Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:16
Then push Vettel for all he's worth not caring about the team game.
#24
Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:16
I was expecting Webber to lash out at the podium, camp was waking up already when they (Newey, Vettel) were talking behind the scenes and Webber entered the room. Problem is, I think Webber sealed his own fate (despite being in the right today, Vettel took it after ignoring the teams wishes, he should have cracked Webber earlier before the final stops in order to deserve the win) with his comments on the podium and this is MW's last year at RB. DM kept MW in the loop despite Hamilton seeked help from Bernie to join RB, and that's respectful but one of those two guys is leaving at the end of the season. It's either Vettel who majorly distrusted his team, or Webber who is possibly going to be behind Vettel in a good bunch of races and decides it's enough.After today's events and Webber's comments afterwards. What are the odds of Red Bull deciding, enough is enough. It's not the first time Webber has publicly talked his team down. Don't get me wrong, I'm on Webber's side 100%, but seeing as Vettel is so much integrated into the team (especially with Marko and Horner) I can imagine them saying that Webber's time is up. And Buemi will probably hardly keep up with Vettel anyway but still able to score decent points, so for them it would be a win win.
I believe the only thing keeping Webber at Red Bull is the owner Dietrich Mateschitz.
Edited by Jejking, 24 March 2013 - 12:17.
#25
Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:41
Was that about as clear as Webber moving to Ferrari in 2011 and 2012?Totally lost on the OP however. Valid thread though - Webber won't be with the team in 2014 and that was made pretty clear last weekend, if anyone was paying attention.
... probably not.
#26
Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:58
The next driver in the young driver program is Antonio da Costa. He'll probably make his debut after the summer break. However, I don't think they'd promote da Costa straight away after just half a season, even if he did very well. Even Sebastian Vettel was given a year before he made the switch to Red Bull.
But what if Webber does decide that he has had enough of it and retires? Someone like Romain Grosjean, Adrian Sutil, or even the remaining TR driver for a year or Heikki Kovalainen. So, it really hinges on how much drive Webber has left after this incident.
#27
Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:03
#28
Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:05
After today's events and Webber's comments afterwards. What are the odds of Red Bull deciding, enough is enough. It's not the first time Webber has publicly talked his team down. Don't get me wrong, I'm on Webber's side 100%, but seeing as Vettel is so much integrated into the team (especially with Marko and Horner) I can imagine them saying that Webber's time is up. And Buemi will probably hardly keep up with Vettel anyway but still able to score decent points, so for them it would be a win win.
I believe the only thing keeping Webber at Red Bull is the owner Dietrich Mateschitz.
DM has Mark's back and he can decide when and if he wants to leave. Mark was right to be pissed off given what transpired. Mark drove a great race today and for once had a nice start too. Gloves are off and it will be interesting to see what happens from here.
#29
Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:08
Red Bull should just accept that Vettel is another Alonso, so if he is one of their drivers then they should do the team orders such that Webber is required to be the second driver rather than continuing with the more equal drivers approach.
Ever heard of a contract? I bet there's nowhere in Webber's contract that states he's a designated #2.
#30
Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:09
Even Helmut Marko didn't blame Webber and said they would need to talk to Vettel. Now that says it all.
Indeed, if Marko's siding with Webber, then Vettel's really screwed the pooch.
#31
Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:11
#32
Posted 24 March 2013 - 13:17
So you don't expect Mark to be in the title fight come Brazil? That's a bit harsh on him.Wait for Brazil, punt Vettel into the wall and hand the WDC to Kimi or Lewis or Alonso, then walk off into the sunset.
#33
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:03
So short of Webber winning the WDC, I can't see how he stays. The only question is who will be his replacement.
Agree?
As for my pick, if Sutil keeps up the good performance, he might just luck out.
Edited by Nahnever, 24 March 2013 - 14:04.
#34
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:05
KERS, clutch, pitstops....
#35
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:12
Now another angle is Vettel getting all pissed off with this incident and its potential escalations through the year, and deciding to leave for a Ferrari or the likes. McLaren should be desperate for a top driver as well.
#36
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:15
#37
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:16
#38
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:17
Edited by Deluxx, 24 March 2013 - 14:19.
#39
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:17
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#40
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:18
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:19
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:19
#43
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:24
But his teammate was performing better than him today before the pit stop problems . I can't see Sutil joining a top team, imo.As for my pick, if Sutil keeps up the good performance, he might just luck out.
#44
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:28
Webber gets assurances by DM, he re-signs. Then the team **** him over one way or another.
#45
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:31
#46
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:44
I was thinking Schumacher.?
#47
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:44
#48
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:46
#49
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:48
#50
Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:48
As always if you have any questions, feel free to PM one of the team.