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[weareracing]

Just wondering how the fall-out from today's race affects Christian Horner's position as Team Principal at Red Bull.
We had 2 teams with their drivers battling wanting to overtake their teammate AFTER the last round of pit-stops.
Mercedes and Ross Brawn firmly but fully gave details to their faster driver what was required.
Although not happy, Nico grudgingly obliged.
Red Bull however became the headline of the day.
So has Sebastian undermined the authority of the Team Principal, Christian Horner?
Follow-up question, do you think this MAY be that he knows that the bottom line is that HE is a more valuable asset than Christian and can pick and choose when to follow team orders (when it suits HIS personal agenda)?

[Diablobb81]

There is nothing new here. The problem between the two drivers has been going on for 3 years now.

I belive people read too much into the reaction of the RB management. Sure they are pissed at Seb now but it will be business as usual.

[undersquare]

I'd think if anything it'll be Marko who's undermined, for giving Vettel the 'protection' and the feeling he can do as he likes, and Helmet is Dietrich's direct appointee.

This episode might strength Horner's hand, if anything.

[weareracing]

Nothing new, really?
The 2 have history, notably at Istanbul & Silverstone, but have NEVER previously ignored team-orders to the point of altering the result.
I'm sure other teams that admire Sebastian and would love to have him drive their RED car to win the coveted Constructors Trophy will have taken note.
This will come back to bite Sebastian where it hurts, and I'm sure the team will have a very private de-brief pointing out that this is a TEAM sport and that everyone in the team has to pull together to achieve the maximum for THE TEAM.

[pingu666]

seb only/often takes the radio as advisory and does what he wants. luckily he has the talent and the ability to get away with it most of the time.

just from what ive noticed

[weareracing]

Agree undersquare, I actually think that the disregard for what was best for Red Bull will not go down well with Dieter.
Sebastian is after all, an employee.
Perhaps Helmut will be asked to remind the young German not to be so dismissive of TEAM instructions in the future.
I would NOT be surprised to see Vettel lifting off in China and acting as rear-gunner to Mark to publicly acknowledge"MY BAD-MALAYSIA", then going on to win the 2013 WDC.

[Dolph]

Just wondering how the fall-out from today's race affects Christian Horner's position as Team Principal at Red Bull.
We had 2 teams with their drivers battling wanting to overtake their teammate AFTER the last round of pit-stops.
Mercedes and Ross Brawn firmly but fully gave details to their faster driver what was required.
Although not happy, Nico grudgingly obliged.
Red Bull however became the headline of the day.
So has Sebastian undermined the authority of the Team Principal, Christian Horner?
Follow-up question, do you think this MAY be that he knows that the bottom line is that HE is a more valuable asset than Christian and can pick and choose when to follow team orders (when it suits HIS personal agenda)?

No effect

[weareracing]

So Dolph, does this make Sebastian a loose cannon?
F1 is the MOST CORPORATE of team sports I can think of.
An individual who puts their own agenda above that of the team and it's corporate sponsors is soon cut from the vine.
Think Tiger Woods and "in the hole", sponsors couldn't jump ship quick enough.

[BenettonB192]

Follow-up question, do you think this MAY be that he knows that the bottom line is that HE is a more valuable asset than Christian and can pick and choose when to follow team orders (when it suits HIS personal agenda)?

Not sure i would agree that he knows. But it could certainly be interpreted as testing waters. Seb's not a little boy anymore. He becomes a grown-ass man with plenty of accolades. While many here will say todays behaviour was a sign of him still being immature i would see it more as a young gun who's on his way to become the alpha male of the pack. He's not there yet (see his apology and sorry face after the fact) but he'll get there eventualy.

If anyone seriously think today will hurt Seb in the long run that's delusional. As long as he delivers he will get away with a lot of stuff just like the greats before him.