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If Vettel gives Webber a win- is all forgiven?


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#151 kosmos

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:15

I feel that in Webber's mind, Vettel owes him more than 1 victory, it's not about the last race, it's about Webber getting the short stick most of the time in the last years.

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#152 OO7

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:18

"If Vettel gives Webber a win- is all forgiven?" - Well, that is a win Webber will never see.

#153 Astro

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:21

Revisionist history at it's finest.
There were no teamorders in Turkey.


Is that why Red Bull created a bigger drama over Vettel disobeying ONCE, then they did all three times combined that Webber disobeyed?


Then Mark should have gone for the fair fight and disobey the teamorders like he did before.


Not according to Webber, but feel free to disagree. I am not trying to demonize one or the other driver, so I am not going to enter in childish discussions about who is good and who is evil. I just answered to vone about the reasons I believe Webber feels wronged and why his actions may reflect only his discontent with his situation in RBR. Whether that is the case or not, it is anyone's guess.



#154 SpaMaster

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:54

For a start, nobody is inventing anything, if you can't see the point of the comment then I can't help you.

To answer your question about agreeing with Horner, No I do not!

Everybody else seems to be clear on this point, I obviously am not, so would somebody please explain to me where Webber disobeyed a team order in Brazil.

Now, I am the one who cannot see the point of the comment? This is getting tedious. Have fun by yourself. If you have made up your mind that Webber never disobeyed any team order, there is no point having the discussion.

#155 mnmracer

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 13:09

Not according to Webber, but feel free to disagree. I am not trying to demonize one or the other driver, so I am not going to enter in childish discussions about who is good and who is evil. I just answered to vone about the reasons I believe Webber feels wronged and why his actions may reflect only his discontent with his situation in RBR. Whether that is the case or not, it is anyone's guess.

Webber, and I think Horner too, explained that he had to turn down his engine.
He did not have to do that because of a teamorder though. He had to do that because he had used too much fuel earlier in the race, like Hamilton had in Malaysia.

#156 Astro

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 13:46

Webber, and I think Horner too, explained that he had to turn down his engine.
He did not have to do that because of a teamorder though. He had to do that because he had used too much fuel earlier in the race, like Hamilton had in Malaysia.


I highlighted the wrong sentence in the previous post. I meant to say that according to Webber, there were team orders during the ban, so it is likely they were in place in Turkey 2010.

Regarding what you say above^^, whatever the reason they gave team orders to both drivers, the question is whether Seb should have followed them or not. If Webber had done so in the past in similar situations (first races, close in points, 1-2, etc.), then you can understand he feels very pissed. But to be sure one would have to go back to all these races and check how both drivers behaved, taken as a given that there was equal treatment between drivers and team orders were taking place.

Edited by Astro, 28 March 2013 - 14:06.