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[study]

redbull fined for unsafe release. not webbers week.

[ruby soho]

Really harsh for Webber to get a three place grid penalty, especially considering Perez got nothing from the incident with Raikkonen.

[Lopek]

Poor decision not to penalise the DRS issues. Whatever the mitigating circumstances they were the same for all drivers. Those drivers gained an advantage over those who followed the rules that should have been taken back off them.

[michaelmyers]

redbull fined for unsafe release. not webbers week.

How does that affect Webber? It's Red Bull that made the mistake and it's Red Bull that pays the fine.

[artista]

Poor decision not to penalise the DRS issues. Whatever the mitigating circumstances they were the same for all drivers. Those drivers gained an advantage over those who followed the rules that should have been taken back off them.

And who followed the rules? Given the number of drivers affected, it looks like all or almost of of the drivers who had DRS used it.

What the FIA is saying is that the automatic system is not working, so they have to tell the teams, who tell the drivers. The FIA is also saying it took race-direction one minute to tell the teams, which means, there was one minute in which the drivers were not informed about it. Moreover, the FIA also says, there was a green flag flashing on the straight. Summary: the drivers weren't told and all they could see was a green flag. How on earth were they supposed to guess DRS was not allowed?

[ruby soho]

Poor decision not to penalise the DRS issues. Whatever the mitigating circumstances they were the same for all drivers. Those drivers gained an advantage over those who followed the rules that should have been taken back off them.

Not really... Would it be fair if I gave you a ticket for driving through a crossing with the traffic lights not operational, saying that had the lights been on, they would have been red?

Edited by ruby soho, 14 April 2013 - 13:10.

[artista]

Not really... Is it fair if I give you a ticket for driving through a crossing, with the traffic lights not operational, saying that had the lights been on, they would have been red?

That's a pretty good example

[JimiKart]

Yep. Also 100 bonus points for Alonso and Hamilton.

Couldn't agree more...

[Fudce]

OK, here's my take on the investigations...

Perez/Raikkonen - Wrong (no further action)

Yes, Perez wasn't to expect a Lotus to appear there, but it was there, and there was a half-car overlap. Perez left no room, and forced Raikkonen off track.


Webber/Vergne - Correct (3 place grid)

Vergne did act as if he ws letting Webber go, but Webber came from way too far back, and Vergne was taking the racing line. No overlap.


Gutierrez/Sutil - Correct (5 place grid)

Under most circustances this would have been 10, but Esteban held his hand up, and admitted he made a mistake, and apologised.


DRS Use - Correct

Given the release from the FIA regarding the delay and confusion, they can't issue any penalties.


Red Bull Wheel - Not harsh enough (€5000 fine)

I'm glad they penalised Red Bull, but they did so only for letting Webber leave with 3 wheels attached. Half way through the lap they knew he had a loose wheel, but told him to drive to the pits, not to park it. This caused the wheel to come off and come close to hitting at least 3 cars. In 2009, Renault were fined €50,000 for the same offense, and were nearly banned for a race. I'm not calling for a ban, but a bigger fine.


Also... What happened to the two cars who were investigated for overtaking under yellows? (Cars 21, 23)

[Bloggsworth]

Poor decision not to penalise the DRS issues. Whatever the mitigating circumstances they were the same for all drivers. Those drivers gained an advantage over those who followed the rules that should have been taken back off them.

Do the maths - Anyone who was more than 60 seconds away from the yellow flag would have been warned in time, anyone less than 60 seconds away would have driven into the zone with no warning that DRS had been de-activated - Seemples.

[Bleu]

Räikkönen told later that the stewards were considering reprimand for his Malaysia incident but felt then 3-place grid penalty is better option, mainly regarding the fact that three reprimands now cause 10-place grid penalty. I wonder whether the stewards thought the same way with Webber incident.

By the way about DRS use I have a question. When the system works as planned, is the DRS disabled on both zones when there is yellow flag on one of them while other zone is clear?