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[HistoryFan]

Gill Jones got the constructor trophy in Bahrain.
But it's not the first woman on podium as it is reported.
Ginny Williams at the 1986 British Grand Prix as Mansell won the race.

Were there other?

[pacificquay]

A woman has won an F1 race, so definitely on that occasion.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Not a World Championship F1 race, which I think 99% of people would understand was his question.

It was curious, because Red Bull(like every other team) tend to send up senior people most of us would recognise. It's a little strange that they send up their head of trackside electronics. Particularly given where the race was held and the comments the preceding week by Stirling Moss.

Trying to make a political point? Trying to make a PR point? Or just a really amusing coincidence?

[g1n]

A woman has won an F1 race, so definitely on that occasion.

Not in the F1 championship that we know today.

[Mila]

I understand that Jones has the tradition of nicknaming her ohmmeters. "Slutty Seb" is the latest.

In all seriousness, good on Red Bull.

[jjcale]

Not a World Championship F1 race, which I think 99% of people would understand was his question.

It was curious, because Red Bull(like every other team) tend to send up senior people most of us would recognise. It's a little strange that they send up their head of trackside electronics. Particularly given where the race was held and the comments the preceding week by Stirling Moss.

Trying to make a political point? Trying to make a PR point? Or just a really amusing coincidence?

I found it interesting that they did it in Bahrain.... not the most progressive part of the world and all.

[Gilles4Ever]

I found it interesting that they did it in Bahrain.... not the most progressive part of the world and all.

I would love to hear from the guy presenting her with the trophy, it must have burnt his butt.

[rasul]

I would love to hear from the guy presenting her with the trophy, it must have burnt his butt.

This. It was so amusing to see his awkward expression.

[Richard T]

Initially she didn't stand on the constructor podium either.. Not acceptable for a women to stand above a man during national anthem?

[Fastcake]

Not a World Championship F1 race, which I think 99% of people would understand was his question.

It was curious, because Red Bull(like every other team) tend to send up senior people most of us would recognise. It's a little strange that they send up their head of trackside electronics. Particularly given where the race was held and the comments the preceding week by Stirling Moss.

Trying to make a political point? Trying to make a PR point? Or just a really amusing coincidence?

I've noticed in recent years the teams have been sending up more of the lower ranked personal. Not really unusual anymore to see relative strangers on the podium, but they possibly choose to send a women up this week just to make a point.

[Mila]

Initially she didn't stand on the constructor podium either.. Not acceptable for a women to stand above a man during national anthem?

I'm pretty sure that, between anthems, she was ushered to the correct spot (by the guy seen approaching from, as we viewed it, the left of the podium).

Edited by Mila, 22 April 2013 - 17:05.

[Rakaman]

I found it interesting that they did it in Bahrain.... not the most progressive part of the world and all.

Same here. That track/government official must have been like "WTF mate?"

[Lights]

I found it interesting that they did it in Bahrain.... not the most progressive part of the world and all.

Had the same in mind, were they trying to make a point or something? Frankly I liked it.

[Cacarella]

I found it interesting that Seb made some kind of veiled joke about women being flexible (Possible sexist jibe)
when DC was asking him about his lucky charms attached to his boots. The tone quickly changed after the comment and
it looked like a holy SH!@$ moment as everyone seemed at a loss for words.

Not really appropriate if you're going to send a woman up to collect the trophy is it?

Edited by Cacarella, 22 April 2013 - 17:18.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Well, depending on what he said it's not that bad. Women are a little more flexible in leg movements than us boyfolk.

[Sakae]

I found it interesting that Seb made some kind of veiled joke about women being flexible (Possible sexist jibe)
when DC was asking him about his lucky charms attached to his boots. The tone quickly changed after the comment and
it looked like a holy SH!@$ moment as everyone seemed at a loss for words.

Not really appropriate if you're going to send a woman up to collect the trophy is it?

On the contrary. I might be isolated in that view, but sending woman there by RB in retrospect was a mistake, I think. They do not drink champagne for this is an Islamic culture, thus they could postpone this honor for a later date. Seb with his joking (seating related) went an iota over the line, but the fact that presence of the women in surrounding hasn't bother him rather indicates, that he treats them equally, like it or not.

[roadrunner89]

I found it interesting that Seb made some kind of veiled joke about women being flexible (Possible sexist jibe)
when DC was asking him about his lucky charms attached to his boots. The tone quickly changed after the comment and
it looked like a holy SH!@$ moment as everyone seemed at a loss for words.

Not really appropriate if you're going to send a woman up to collect the trophy is it?

I think he didn't mean it the "dirty" way. Just that women are in general more agile than men.

Edited by roadrunner89, 22 April 2013 - 17:39.

[F1Johnny]

Well, depending on what he said it's not that bad. Women are a little more flexible in leg movements than us boyfolk.

Cringed a little when he said something along the lines of "She takes care of all the boys in the team"

[SpaMaster]

Cringed a little when he said something along the lines of "She takes care of all the boys in the team"

That was definitely not Vettel's fault..

[jjcale]

Cringed a little when he said something along the lines of "She takes care of all the boys in the team"

He is 25... still has a bit of growing up to do.

[scheivlak]

Podium ceremony the 1971 way - Jacky Ickx and his wife Catherine at Zandvoort http://img.posterlou...ight-247731.jpg

Podium ceremony 1983 style : John Watson and miss http://www.forix.com...3...amp;p=0&o=1

[hansmann]

I'm pretty sure that, between anthems, she was ushered to the correct spot (by the guy seen approaching from, as we viewed it, the left of the podium).

Yeah, by one of the two guys who shook her hand when they presented the trophies .
The other two local persons didn't , one of whom is their head honcho .

Kimi picked up on it, and offered a handshake to Gill, after an exchange of bewildered looks .
I'm not a big Kimi fan, but he got his priorities straight, this time and when he sported a brew after the Abu Dhabi race .

No champagne on the podium is something that bothers me quite a bit.
But treating a team representative like that , on the podium, for no other reason than her gender, is a cultural shortcoming that people shouldn't be allowed to buy their way out of .

Edited by hansmann, 22 April 2013 - 22:05.

[Ross Stonefeld]

I don't see why no champagne would bother anyone, especially when they replace it with another fizzy beverage to uphold the tradition.

[swerved]

I think the absolute worst thing about the handshake/no handshake thing is just how many people are getting knickerknotted on her behalf, if she came out and said she was offended or felt slighted fair enough, but as far as i know she hasn't.

[g1n]

I think the absolute worst thing about the handshake/no handshake thing is just how many people are getting knickerknotted on her behalf, if she came out and said she was offended or felt slighted fair enough, but as far as i know she hasn't.

Terrible logic, so if someone on the street gets beaten up for some silly, outdated, cultural reason, but has no issues with it, then that is perfectly fine then? Extreme example yes, but you should get the point.

[SirT]

Bernie told CH to send her up if they win. Talking point to distract from Bahrain issues (should race have gone ahead etc...)

[Wander]

I don't get the point of view of Sakae who said that it was a mistake. Why?

[plumtree]

Bernie told CH to send her up if they win. Talking point to distract from Bahrain issues (should race have gone ahead etc...)

Source...?


http://www.infiniti-...021243339208449

THE LADY'€S TROPHY

Infiniti Red Bull Racing made another bit of F1 history after the team’s win in Bahrain, when Electronic Support Group Leader Gill Jones became the first female member of an F1 team’s technical staff to appear on the podium.

Gill, congratulations on making F1 history. It’s a pretty special achievement. How did it make you feel?
It was my 177th race, so it took me a while to get there! For me, as a personal achievement, it’s brilliant, I’m really proud. I’m really pleased to be able to represent the team and also the department I work for – electronics – because I think we play a massive part in the team. Again, being female as well makes it special. So, yes, very proud.

How did you find out you’d been chosen to go up to the podium to accept the constructors’ trophy?
[Team manager] Jonathan Wheatley came on the radio and said Christian had asked for me to go up. It was a massive surprise. I didn’t expect it all, so I was totally unprepared.

Did you get a chance to tell anyone at home you were going up there?
Not at all. In fact, there was a mad panic to get to the podium, because I sat there [in the garage] for a minute before I left… just with my head in hands really! You only hear after the race and the podium is so soon after that.

So what do you do once you’re told? Is there a set or protocols in getting to the podium?
It was really down to me. I didn’t know what to do, so I just made my way there [down the pitlane]. I wasn’t sure if I was supposed to go anywhere different and I actually grabbed our Head of Marketing Dominik [Mitsch] and said: ‘how do I get in there?’ He pushed through and got me through the barriers. After that I just found my own way up there. At one point I went through a door and then I saw Sebastian and just followed him up there.

Before the drivers go out to receive their trophies they spend a couple of minutes getting ready in the room behind the podium. How was that, and what were Sebastian, Kimi and Romain talking about?
I have no idea! I just stayed out of the way because the cameras were on them. I didn’t really hear what was going on. I was too nervous to listen to anything anyway!
I was really, really nervous. Mostly because I just didn’t know what I was supposed to do or where I was supposed to go. I was just thinking ‘what am I supposed to do?’ It was very strange.

So, what happened when you finally went out onto the podium? What was it like?
I actually stood in the wrong place! Before we went out a guy said to me: ‘you need to stand at the other end to walk past the podium’. So I did that but that was the wrong place so half way through they moved me across.
Strangely, it felt quite quiet up there. You hear the anthems and the music but you don’t really hear anything else. I could see where everyone was. I could tell our team was all at one side below the podium. Also I could see Ciaran [Pilbeam – Mark Webber’s former race engineer] in the middle, obviously he’s with Lotus now, and I could see one of the guys that works for me. So I could sort of see key people, but as for hearing things, not much really. All you can hear is the music.

It looked like a pretty hefty trophy. Were you worried you’d drop it?
Yeah. On the way up, Sebastian said: ‘oh it’s a mega trophy here, it’s really big’ and I was like, ‘oh no, it’s going to be really heavy and I’ll drop it’. Then I saw it had handles and I was a bit more comfortable.

What was the most memorable part of the experience?
I think just the fact that everyone is congratulating you. It felt like people were saying well done to me. I thought ‘well, I haven’t done anything different to how I normally do things’ but it is nice getting all the messages from home and everyone’s seen it. Obviously, it’s massive, with people posting messages and people sending me emails that I’ve not heard from for years.

Did you ever expect that something like this might happen when you started in motorsport?
Never. I don’t think it was anything I’d ever thought about really. Obviously as the team started winning more and more it was becoming scarily close because quite a lot of different people had been up before me – the guys on the pit wall and the guys from the office. So, yeah, it was a bit special.

[BigCHrome]

Not a World Championship F1 race, which I think 99% of people would understand was his question.

It was curious, because Red Bull(like every other team) tend to send up senior people most of us would recognise. It's a little strange that they send up their head of trackside electronics. Particularly given where the race was held and the comments the preceding week by Stirling Moss.

Trying to make a political point? Trying to make a PR point? Or just a really amusing coincidence?

Moss' comments had nothing to do with it. She's not a driver which is what he was talking about.

I'm guessing that they do something akin to a rotation for that team representative spot.

[Lee Nicolle]

I have seen women accepting team trophies before. There seems to be quite a few women in both technical and admin roles these days so not really a big thing,,, except in a Moslem country!

But to my knowledge no woman has been on F1 Championship rostrum as a driver.

[Brother Fox]

Wait, shes head of electronics at RB?

She's responsible for Webbers KERS ... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[SUPRAF1]

I thought Red Bull did this because they win so much. They're running out of high ranking team members to send up to the podium .

[MarileneRiddle]

I thought Red Bull did this because they win so much. They're running out of high ranking team members to send up to the podium .

Yeah I think so too. Other than major races like Monaco, SPA or maybe Monza, I think Christian Horner and Adrian Newey wouldn't really appear that much anymore.

[Sakae]

Wait, shes head of electronics at RB?

She's responsible for Webbers KERS ... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Your friends at McLaren would be your best bet to enquire about that.

[Sakae]

I don't get the point of view of Sakae who said that it was a mistake. Why?

Oh forget it. It's not here fault; she had enjoyable experience, and that should count for something as well, so lets leave it there, shall we.

Edited by Sakae, 23 April 2013 - 06:48.

[Brother Fox]

Your friends at McLaren would be your best bet to enquire about that.

My friends at McLaren? If i had friends there I wouldnt be watching every race from my loungeroom!

And dont they make the ECU, not KERS?

[Sakae]

My friends at McLaren? If i had friends there I wouldnt be watching every race from my loungeroom!

And dont they make the ECU, not KERS?

There could be a link somewhere between those two, who knows.

[One]

RED BULL marketing works quite fine.

[Bleu]

Yeah I think so too. Other than major races like Monaco, SPA or maybe Monza, I think Christian Horner and Adrian Newey wouldn't really appear that much anymore.

My listings have 18 different persons representing Red Bull on the podium. Some of them have left the team like Pilbeam who was there in one of Webber's victories. Monaco is the one where they send major figure in the team, and it usually happens with first win of the season and WDC/WCC clincher if it happens to be with win.

Last year RB had Newey twice while Horner, Prodromou, Monaghan, Wheatley and Schack made appearance once.

[Sin]

Cringed a little when he said something along the lines of "She takes care of all the boys in the team"

I just have something to say to that.... and that is the simple question who is the one being pervy, the one speaking such a thing or the person thinking the guy who said it meant something naughty?

I don't think Seb meant anything under the beltline when he said it

[FredrikB]

Trying to make a political point? Trying to make a PR point?

Something like that was what i thought when i saw her.
I'm convinced they sent a woman up just because it was in Bahrain.

On the other hand...Interesting read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_rights_in_Bahrain

"Women’s rights have been a cornerstone of the political reforms initiated by King Hamad with for the first time women being given the right to vote and stand as candidates in national elections after the constitution was amended in 2002. The extension of equal political rights has been accompanied by a self-conscious drive to promote women to positions of authority within government."

But thats just Wiki. Don't know about reality.

[plumtree]

My listings have 18 different persons representing Red Bull on the podium. Some of them have left the team like Pilbeam who was there in one of Webber's victories. Monaco is the one where they send major figure in the team, and it usually happens with first win of the season and WDC/WCC clincher if it happens to be with win.

Last year RB had Newey twice while Horner, Prodromou, Monaghan, Wheatley and Schack made appearance once.

Yeah and she knew she would go up there sooner or later. "Obviously as the team started winning more and more it was becoming scarily close because quite a lot of different people had been up before me – the guys on the pit wall and the guys from the office."

Maybe it wasn't entirely a coincidence that it happened in Bahrain though, sending Head of Electronics to the podium was hardly an odd thing for the team.

[MarileneRiddle]

My listings have 18 different persons representing Red Bull on the podium. Some of them have left the team like Pilbeam who was there in one of Webber's victories. Monaco is the one where they send major figure in the team, and it usually happens with first win of the season and WDC/WCC clincher if it happens to be with win.

Last year RB had Newey twice while Horner, Prodromou, Monaghan, Wheatley and Schack made appearance once.

Loved it when Ole Shack made an appearance. Sad about his grandfather (I think?) though.

[F1Johnny]

I just have something to say to that.... and that is the simple question who is the one being pervy, the one speaking such a thing or the person thinking the guy who said it meant something naughty?

I don't think Seb meant anything under the beltline when he said it

I was being "pervy". Just found it funny.

[Collective]

Something like that was what i thought when i saw her.
I'm convinced they sent a woman up just because it was in Bahrain.

On the other hand...Interesting read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_rights_in_Bahrain

"Women’s rights have been a cornerstone of the political reforms initiated by King Hamad with for the first time women being given the right to vote and stand as candidates in national elections after the constitution was amended in 2002. The extension of equal political rights has been accompanied by a self-conscious drive to promote women to positions of authority within government."

But thats just Wiki. Don't know about reality.

Only thing I noticed is that she didn't get a handshake from the folk delivery the trophy, he then went on to handshake the drivers.

[HistoryFan]

My listings have 18 different persons representing Red Bull on the podium.

Have you also listings from other teams?
Could you post that?

[SpaMaster]

I thought Red Bull did this because they win so much. They're running out of high ranking team members to send up to the podium .

Exactly. She herself says that because they have been winning a lot, they have been sending lot of other people apart from Horner and Newey. Good on them. Couple of other teams could learn from it since they also win a lot, but only send the top brass to the podium. I think what RB did was great here!

[FredrikB]

Only thing I noticed is that she didn't get a handshake from the folk delivery the trophy, he then went on to handshake the drivers.

Well actually, she did get two handshakes out of four.
To be fair to the guy giving her the trophy, she raised the trophy with both hands and looked away, so he didn't get much of a chance.
The crown Prince delivering first price ignored her though.

[Bleu]

Have you also listings from other teams?
Could you post that?

From 2010 onwards I have all except Australia 2012 (McLaren). Also partial listings from 2000.