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[The Kanisteri]

No. Nothing to do with F1 farce, but generally there's far more better tyres than Pirelli available.

[solochamp07]

I was so mad when Seb crossed the line 38s after Alonso, I went out and slashed my own P-zeroes.

Then I smashed my GTI to bits and set it on fire.

Take that Pirelli!

[HPT]

I was so mad when Seb crossed the line 38s after Alonso, I went out and slashed my own P-zeroes.

Then I smashed my GTI to bits and set it on fire.

Take that Pirelli!

[motorhead]

I have Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsa tires on my bike. I trust those more than I did Michelins I had earlier

[KnucklesAgain]

That's Pirelli-commissioned research, published on Pirelli's website, that simply backs up their participation in Formula One by linking it to sales data. Why do they need such rationale published openly if the benefits are self-evident?

I'm sure that research has more to do with justifying a jittery board's decision to be there in the first place.

Yes it is (Pirelli-commissioned, etc.*), but at least it somewhat resembles actual data on the effect that F1 has on their brand. As opposed to the claim I responded to, which provided no evidence to back up the claim whatsoever.

* Edit: But it's not simply "linking to their sales data", it's referencing a commissioned study by GFK.

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 13 May 2013 - 06:50.

[Claudiu]

Ok then, here's a thought...

Would you still buy Pirelli tyres for your road car?

Personally I wouldn't. I wouldn't buy any because I think they're runing the sport I love. I don't mind a bit of tyre degredation - all motorsport series have this - but having tyres that force drivers to drive around 4, 5, 6 or 7 seconds off the pace for long periods of time even when the tyres are only a few laps old or less in some cases is IMHO nonsense. Worse when they delaminate and are unsafe.

So Paul Hembrey. You can keep your crappy tyres, I ain't never buying another Pirelli. When you start making tyres that allow proper racing I'll start buying your tyres again. I know you've been asked to do it, I know you think you're doing the right thing but think again. Your F1 tyres are crap and runing the sport I love so you can **** off!

I don't know how to do a poll. Perhaps one of the Mods could kindly include a simple vote, 'more likely' or 'less likely' to the question "Are you more likely or less likely to buy Pirelli tyres for your road car based on what you are now seeing in F1?".

Guess you know where I stand on this one!

Is this a joke ?

[One]

Ok then, here's a thought...

Would you still buy Pirelli tyres for your road car?

Personally I wouldn't. I wouldn't buy any because I think they're runing the sport I love. I don't mind a bit of tyre degredation - all motorsport series have this - but having tyres that force drivers to drive around 4, 5, 6 or 7 seconds off the pace for long periods of time even when the tyres are only a few laps old or less in some cases is IMHO nonsense. Worse when they delaminate and are unsafe.

So Paul Hembrey. You can keep your crappy tyres, I ain't never buying another Pirelli. When you start making tyres that allow proper racing I'll start buying your tyres again. I know you've been asked to do it, I know you think you're doing the right thing but think again. Your F1 tyres are crap and runing the sport I love so you can **** off!

I don't know how to do a poll. Perhaps one of the Mods could kindly include a simple vote, 'more likely' or 'less likely' to the question "Are you more likely or less likely to buy Pirelli tyres for your road car based on what you are now seeing in F1?".

Guess you know where I stand on this one!

Hopeless.

[ExFlagMan]

Just because they were asked to make tyre which require two stops does NOT mean they were asked to make what they have made. The nature of the wear and failures is the problem not the fact that they wear. That is a completely false case.

Make tyres that last 20 laps max. thats fine, then drivers who can drive fast without excessive spin and locking could SHINE. but WHY must they just die if they go outside a ******** temperature envelope? Who asked for that bullshit? noone. And why must they delaminate at random? And why must they shed hundreds of kilos of marbles all over the track every single fing race, resulting in proper overtaking being almost non-existent? Noone asked for that.

That's been the normal situation for at least 30 years - seem to recall that the super sticky qualifiers some folks here rave about covered the track in marbles after 1 single flying lap. We used to spend evey break between sessions sweeping the track.

I don't think we are having any more tyre failures than before, it's just that rather than getting a slow puncture these ones fail in a different way, probably because they don't deflate as soon as they get cut so the drivers push on while the tread overheats until the bond fails. It might look more spectacular when they let go but mostly the carcase remains inflated giving the driver more control.

[KirilVarbanov]

Of course I will, Pirelli P6 have been a great companion for couple of years, and I'm getting exactly the same breed, just the new evolution, being extremely grippy in wet / mixed conditions and overall nice when normally dry. For this price is quite a bargain, they are quite durable, too.

I don't correlate the racing division with road tires one, besides Pirelli have done what they have been asked to do. Or at least they think so... Mercedes and Red Bull are certainly on the other side of the argument.

[Sakae]

Ok then, here's a thought...

Would you still buy Pirelli tyres for your road car?

No, and utterly for one irrational reason; Hembery p*****s me off.

[smitten]

Is this a joke ?

Hopeless.

I don't see why you should be so damning. Essentially, Pirelli are in F1 as a sponsorship exercise. Sponsorship works both ways (as many organisation has found to its cost).

[03011969]

Ok then, here's a thought...

Would you still buy Pirelli tyres for your road car?

Personally I wouldn't. I wouldn't buy any because I think they're runing the sport I love. I don't mind a bit of tyre degredation - all motorsport series have this - but having tyres that force drivers to drive around 4, 5, 6 or 7 seconds off the pace for long periods of time even when the tyres are only a few laps old or less in some cases is IMHO nonsense. Worse when they delaminate and are unsafe.

So Paul Hembrey. You can keep your crappy tyres, I ain't never buying another Pirelli. When you start making tyres that allow proper racing I'll start buying your tyres again. I know you've been asked to do it, I know you think you're doing the right thing but think again. Your F1 tyres are crap and runing the sport I love so you can **** off!

I don't know how to do a poll. Perhaps one of the Mods could kindly include a simple vote, 'more likely' or 'less likely' to the question "Are you more likely or less likely to buy Pirelli tyres for your road car based on what you are now seeing in F1?".

Guess you know where I stand on this one!

F1 tyres and road tyres are entirely different. I'm sorry that you were not aware that is the case, but I hope you have learned something.

Not buying a manufacturer's produce for your road car based on what they have been asked to make for F1 cars makes no sense whatsoever.


edit...although you contradict yourself when you say "I ain't never buying another Pirelli"...which means you are buying Pirellis. I wish you would make up your mind, although it does seem rather fragile.

Edited by 3011969, 13 May 2013 - 11:34.

[helioseism]

I switched from Bridgestone Potenzas to Pirelli P Zeros the last time I bought tires, and the Pirellis are MUCH BETTER than the Bridgestones for me and my car. And, I enjoy current F1 racing. It used to be rather boring and predictable processions, remember? Some guy named Schumacher?

[sheepgobba]

Pirelli's actually is used by majority of supercars these days. I guess it's really that bad aye?;)

[whitewaterMkII]

Way back in the day the '87 930 came with Dunlops, which lasted 10k. Utter crap. It's been on Pirelli P Zeros since. Yet they wear at pretty damn quick as well, and in the same area.
The inside edge of the fronts are bald in about 10k miles, it's ridiculous, but apparently Porsche decided to put a crap load of camber in the front to keep it straight at quantum speed.
All that being said, I put on an F1 race to watch a race, not to watch tyre testing.
Pirelli has completely facked this season up.

[Craven Morehead]

I have bought, and will continue to buy, Pirelli road tires for my vehicles. they have been excellent.

[One]

I don't see why you should be so damning. Essentially, Pirelli are in F1 as a sponsorship exercise. Sponsorship works both ways (as many organisation has found to its cost).

Perhaps needs more clarification from my side.

I love Pirelli's and I still do. I love it so much that if Pirellis gets human, then I will go to bed with them. ... hhuuummmm wonderful southern island...

[Zoony]

I don't see why you should be so damning. Essentially, Pirelli are in F1 as a sponsorship exercise. Sponsorship works both ways (as many organisation has found to its cost).

Yes, but this is the point really, isn't it? It is fine for a motor trade company to get involved in motorsport to 'promote their brand', but surely only when they are able to put across to the general public that their brand is better than the others.

Goodyear did this very well, and so did Michelin, and so did Bridgestone. Pirelli on the other hand seem to have gone out of their way to make tyres that are simply crap. The message that Pirelli seems to be putting over at the moment is "Our tyres don't last any distance, they have a frightening tendency to delaminate, and they make racing cars go slower rather than faster."

I realise that they've only 'done what they've been told' by the FIA or whomever, but surely it MUST be counter-productive for them in a commercial sense?

I would like to see Pirelli pull out of F1, and for no other tyre company to offer any rubber at all if it is on the basis of being a single tyre-make contract. Bring back tyre-wars, that's what I say!

As to the OP's question, well I know the road tyres have very little relationship with the stuff Pirelli are offering to F1 teams but, unless they were remarkably cheap or something, I too would prefer not to have their logo on my car tyres.

[FerrariV12]

I wouldn't buy them, and yes I know there's no relationship between their F1 tyres and road tyres, more of a point of principle. And I know one person avoiding them will make no difference, and won't register with them, but I don't really care. Just a personal choice.

And I know they've just "done what they're told", but I don't care about that either. They're not the most to blame for the state of F1 post-2011, but they were a willing participant.

Yes, but this is the point really, isn't it? It is fine for a motor trade company to get involved in motorsport to 'promote their brand', but surely only when they are able to put across to the general public that their brand is better than the others.

Goodyear did this very well, and so did Michelin, and so did Bridgestone. Pirelli on the other hand seem to have gone out of their way to make tyres that are simply crap. The message that Pirelli seems to be putting over at the moment is "Our tyres don't last any distance, they have a frightening tendency to delaminate, and they make racing cars go slower rather than faster."

I realise that they've only 'done what they've been told' by the FIA or whomever, but surely it MUST be counter-productive for them in a commercial sense?

I would like to see Pirelli pull out of F1, and for no other tyre company to offer any rubber at all if it is on the basis of being a single tyre-make contract. Bring back tyre-wars, that's what I say!

But but but....boring processional one-stop races! Don't you remember how boring F1 used to be for all those years (that you went out of your way to watch it because you found it interesting)?!

(Obviously I agree with all of that, especially the tyre war bit)

[BenettonB192]

As i wrote in the other thread i wouldn't. Their negative impact on the sport i love is one reason. The other is that they not appear to be on top of their technology. If they can't contruct a proper race tyre that holds together despite having a big budget and no pressure to push the limits due to lack of competition. How could i trust their competency for any other products?

[Tenmantaylor]

It's quite an interesting topic as Pirelli as far as I'm aware have always had a reputation of not lasting long compared to say, Continental or Michelin. But this is besides the point. Pirelli were given a brief to make tyres that lasted as long as they are. Some people are just better at making them last than others. As far as Pirelli are concerned they are doing the job they were asked and they at least deserve some credit for agreeing to try and spice up the racing rather than being ultra conservative in the other direction like Bridgestone were when Michelin left.

The whiners need to leave Pirelli out of the equation and go to the brief writer...

Edited by Tenmantaylor, 13 May 2013 - 16:38.

[paulrobs]

Probably the DUMBEST post I've ever read!

Thanks for the compliment

[paulrobs]

I was so mad when Seb crossed the line 38s after Alonso, I went out and slashed my own P-zeroes.

Then I smashed my GTI to bits and set it on fire.

Take that Pirelli!

Awesome, very funny

[paulrobs]

Is this a joke ?

No. Are you? I know Pirelli are doing what they've been asked to do but I think they're ruining F1 in the process by going too marginal on tyres and way more agressive than last year. For this reason I wouldn't buy their tyres. For the same reason I wouldn't buy a car from a manufacturer that came into F1 and was asked to build engines that wouldn't last a GP distance because they'd been asked to spice up the show a bit. Show or race? Hmmnn. Racing for me every time.

[smitten]

The whiners need to leave Pirelli out of the equation and go to the brief writer...

That isn't quite how public action works. If enough people were to boycott Pirelli (they won't) and tell them it is directly because they are ruining F1 (once again, people won't) then Pirelli may speak to FIA/FOTA/Bernie/My Mum about changing their approach. Of course it isn't going to happen, but a boycott of Pirelli would be far more effective than lobbying some nameless soul who doesn't raise revenue directly from the fans.

[Iremos]

We need a poll!

[tifosi]

No. Are you? I know Pirelli are doing what they've been asked to do but I think they're ruining F1 in the process by going too marginal on tyres and way more agressive than last year. For this reason I wouldn't buy their tyres. For the same reason I wouldn't buy a car from a manufacturer that came into F1 and was asked to build engines that wouldn't last a GP distance because they'd been asked to spice up the show a bit. Show or race? Hmmnn. Racing for me every time.

Do you blame Ferrari and Mercedes for building those wimped out limited V8 engines and ruining real racing instead of building big powerful V12s!

Remember, you are not allowed to use the regulations or the dictates of the FIA in your answer.

[paulrobs]

Do you blame Ferrari and Mercedes for building those wimped out limited V8 engines and ruining real racing instead of building big powerful V12s!

Remember, you are not allowed to use the regulations or the dictates of the FIA in your answer.

I've been to GPs at Silverstone since 1989 either for the whole race weekend or sometimes just for a Friday or Saturday. I've also been to the Goodwood Festival of Speed many many times since I think about 96/97. All of the F1 engines during this time from the V12s through the V10s to today's V8s have always been amazing to listen too. Different but all were amazing. The thing about engines is that we still have more than one manufacturer each designing and building their own engine and this is healthy. I'd be pretty unhappy if there was only one engine manufacturer and it was decided that these engines should wear out with ease, blow up without warning and generally not allow an F1 car to go as fast as it could.

[Sakae]

It's quite an interesting topic as Pirelli as far as I'm aware have always had a reputation of not lasting long compared to say, Continental or Michelin. But this is besides the point. Pirelli were given a brief to make tyres that lasted as long as they are. Some people are just better at making them last than others. As far as Pirelli are concerned they are doing the job they were asked and they at least deserve some credit for agreeing to try and spice up the racing rather than being ultra conservative in the other direction like Bridgestone were when Michelin left.

The whiners need to leave Pirelli out of the equation and go to the brief writer...

I gather based on content of several interviews since the last race, that almost no one on inside thinks, that Pirelli delivered in Barcelona what was requested. The utterances like "this time they had overdone it" are more than enough to think that Hembery lives in the world on his own.

[Mauseri]

It's quite an interesting topic as Pirelli as far as I'm aware have always had a reputation of not lasting long compared to say, Continental or Michelin.

I bought Pirellis ones. They made it to the end of the stin.. summer.

[blowndiffuser]

I would still buy Pirellis. If anything, it would deter me from tail-gating other cars lest I have to replace my tyres daily due to wear!

[fastdriver]

I would still buy Pirellis. If anything, it would deter me from tail-gating other cars lest I have to replace my tyres daily due to wear!

[Nustang70]

Don't shoot the messenger. Boycott Red Bull and other companies that have direct control over the decision makers that decided to ditch the original 2014 regs that scrapped a lot of the aero in favor of racing gimmicks.

[Shiroo]

I would, because I'm aware that they are producing the tyres that they were asked for (though 2013 is overkill and I believe they just ****ed up it here massively). And I'm aware that road cars has nothing to do with F1 cars (at least the cars I drive ) So There wouldn't be a point in boycotting them.

Though I've Continental in my car, and to be honest I'm happy with them. Had Pirelli one time, and didn't have problem with them as well.

Edited by Shiroo, 14 May 2013 - 19:25.

[ZooL]

Bernie has just said F1 did not ask for these tyres and he has told Pirelli they are wrong and must change the tyres.

So there we have it. Nobody should ever say that Pirelli are only doing what they were asked...

[Shiroo]

Bernie has just said F1 did not ask for these tyres and he has told Pirelli they are wrong and must change the tyres.

So there we have it. Nobody should ever say that Pirelli are only doing what they were asked...

and do you think that BERNIE would say THAT HE WAS AT WRONG?
and Hembrey said that they were asked to do 2-3 pit stops races. They jsut overdid it, cause didn't expect teams to have that much performance and tyres just go poof poof

Edited by Shiroo, 14 May 2013 - 20:37.

[Brother Fox]

Bernie has just said F1 did not ask for these tyres and he has told Pirelli they are wrong and must change the tyres.

So there we have it. Nobody should ever say that Pirelli are only doing what they were asked...

Becuase Bernie always gives straight talk, with no agenda

[jimbox01]

Bernie has just said F1 did not ask for these tyres and he has told Pirelli they are wrong and must change the tyres.

So there we have it. Nobody should ever say that Pirelli are only doing what they were asked...

Actually...

Ecclestone wants short-life tyres Friday, July 9th 2010

"People want more overtaking," Ecclestone said in an interview with Gazzetta dello Sport. "I have a proposal: tyre sets that can be used for a maximum of 100 kilometres, with the one used in qualifying to be used in the first part of the race.
"This way we'd have more tyre changes at different times and there would be more confusion. The best races are the messy ones."

Pirelli ready for long-term F1 future Saturday, May 7th 2011

Marco Tronchetti Provera: "We were asked to help create more emotions and we did it, with safe tyres lasting enough but not too much – which is really very, very difficult," he said.
"I think we helped having more attractiveness, uncertainties and more show. That was the target they gave us, so we had to build tyres lasting no more than 23-25 laps in order to guarantee two pitstops.

Bernie Ecclestone slams tyre quality Tue, May 14, 2013

“The tyres are wrong, not what we intended when we asked Pirelli to produce something which did a half race,” said Ecclestone, F1’s powerbroker.

My maths isn't great, but if races are 305km and Bernie asked for tyres that lasted 100km max, how does that equal half a race?
But then 23-25 laps is a long way off what was achieved last weekend.


Anyway, Bernie said he wanted messy races, and he certainly got what he asked for in Spain.

[Kalmake]

It would be a tie breaker against Pirelli at least. Pirelli is in F1 for marketing. Every time you buy a Pirelli, part of that money goes to their marketing costs. You are voting with your wallet.

They have generally done what they were asked in F1, but they have shown incompetence too. In part it's the teams fault for not supplying them with proper test cars. But this is also Pirelli's fault for not demanding that when signing the contract. Ideally, no company would agree to make tyres in such poor conditions. For example Michelin wanted to make better (low profile) tyres.

[chrcol]

and do you think that BERNIE would say THAT HE WAS AT WRONG?
and Hembrey said that they were asked to do 2-3 pit stops races. They jsut overdid it, cause didn't expect teams to have that much performance and tyres just go poof poof

defend them all you like facts are.

pirelli are NOT doing what they asked, i believe bernie.
pirelli chose to soften all the compounds this year? crazy decision.
best race last year was usa which pirelli ironically thought the compounds were too hard.
they dont have a contract for 2014 yet.

Seems to me pirelli are in above their heads, as is also quality control issues as well.

[Brother Fox]

defend them all you like facts are.

pirelli are NOT doing what they asked, i believe bernie.
pirelli chose to soften all the compounds this year? crazy decision.
best race last year was usa which pirelli ironically thought the compounds were too hard.
they dont have a contract for 2014 yet.

Seems to me pirelli are in above their heads, as is also quality control issues as well.

Theres your problem!

The best race is opinion by the way, not fact as you call it.

[DrProzac]

I'd buy tires that are good enough according to various tests, fit my car and aren't unreasonably expensive (relative to their quality). It's not like I own an F1 car and can choose between Bridgestone or Pirelli slicks..

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

Without a doubt I would. P-Zero Corsas are amongst the best road tyres ever.

[Grundle]

Yes.
But not at that price.

[mclarensmps]

I'd buy the best tyre to suit my budget, driving needs, climate conditions, and my car. Doesn't matter if it's Pirelli or Nankang