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[David1976]

Which are the worst tracks in the 2013 F1 season for tyre degradation?

Mindful that Barcelona was acknowledged as the worst, and Monaco possible the best, what other tracks are likely to cause big problems for teams with high Tyre Deg?

[MikeTekRacing]

Canada

[Sakae]

Canada

I was thinking of that one as well.

[Zoetrope]

Canada

Depends on how the car is handling the tyres in relation to lateral and longitudinal forces. Canada has quite of a few heavy braking zones, but not much of high speed corners.

[peroa]

Canada is not really hard on Pirelli tyres, no fast corners there.

[Rajdeep]

Canada is relatively mild for the Pirellis, going by 2011-12. I think the biggest problems will be Spa and Suzuka. Silverstone could be a bit problematic as well, but I expect it to be a straight forward 3-stopper.

[Ferrari2183]

Huh? Canada? Last year the winning strategy was a 2 stop using the super soft and soft compound.

Of the remaining tracks I think only Suzuka (Dunlop, 130 and 200R) and COTA (due to its Turkey like turn) will pose some really big problems but that is pretty far off and the teams will have sussed out the tyres by then.

These Pirelli's don't seem to suffer in fast turns per sé. They suffer in long corners like they have in China, Barcelona, Suzuka.

Edited by Ferrari2183, 21 May 2013 - 08:42.

[Rajdeep]

Huh? Canada? Last year the winning strategy was a 2 stop using the super soft and soft compound.

Of the remaining tracks I think only Suzuka (Dunlop, 130 and 200R) and COTA (due to its Turkey like turn) will pose some really big problems but that is pretty far off and the teams will have sussed out the tyres by then.

These Pirelli's don't seem to suffer in fast turns per sé. They suffer in long corners like they have in China, Barcelona, Suzuka.

I agree. I think the following corners are the Pirelli-killers as it stands now:

Spa : Pouhon
Suzuka : First Curve, Dunlop, Spoon, possibly Degner as well
India : Turn 10-11
COTA : Turn 16-18

However, India and COTA were very light on tyres last year. And it's quite late in the year, by which time we expect the teams to have a handle. Only Suzuka seems like a definite 4-stopper.

[Rinehart]

I agree. I think the following corners are the Pirelli-killers as it stands now:

Spa : Pouhon
Suzuka : First Curve, Dunlop, Spoon, possibly Degner as well
India : Turn 10-11
COTA : Turn 16-18

However, India and COTA were very light on tyres last year. And it's quite late in the year, by which time we expect the teams to have a handle. Only Suzuka seems like a definite 4-stopper.

It depends on the compounds Pirelli brings and the track temp at that weekend. They could get any of those you mention wrong, if they go to aggressive.

I'd also add Silverstone to the mix. Silverstone dodged a bullet last year with the weather, ironically.

[Ferrari2183]

It depends on the compounds Pirelli brings and the track temp at that weekend. They could get any of those you mention wrong, if they go to aggressive.

I'd also add Silverstone to the mix. Silverstone dodged a bullet last year with the weather, ironically.

I think Silverstone will be an easy 3 stopper (soft/hard combination) maybe even 2 if they take the medium/hard combination. But yeah, the tyre allocation will play a part.

Edited by Ferrari2183, 21 May 2013 - 09:04.

[PretentiousBread]

Which are the worst tracks in the 2013 F1 season for tyre degradation?
Mindful that Barcelona was acknowledged as the worst, and Monaco possible the best, what other tracks are likely to cause big problems for teams with high Tyre Deg?

Any tracks made of tarmac that feature corners....

Seriously though, the worst will be the high speed, long duration corner type tracks, so basically almost every tilkedrome. As mentioned already the temperature has a big effect. Hungary will be a killer with the high temps & long corner sequences with so little time spent with the car not laterally loaded. India and COTA should be Pirelli killers on the face of it, but something to do with the track surfaces being relatively new and less abrasive seems to prevent this. Suzuka will probably be the worst.

Edited by PretentiousBread, 21 May 2013 - 09:27.

[SpaMaster]

Most tracks would be 2-3 stoppers. I don't expect to see any 4-stoppers at all remainder of the season. So in that sense not track would be as bad as Barcelona. Suzuka is probably the harshest of the remaining tracks.

[Mc_Silver]

Singapore?

[charly0418]

Suzuka and Spa are the ones left with the most high speed corners, Silverstone as well. (the 3 S's!)


Singapore is more of a stop and go, same for India. I think it'll be interesting to see what happens in Austin however, they will pick more aggressive tires than last year for sure

[MikeV1987]

Nurburgring? lots of low speed corners throughout s1, but the rest of the track is mostly highspeed corners with lots of elevation changes. Schumacher S came to mind (turn 9-10) as a Pirelli killer

Edited by MikeV1987, 21 May 2013 - 17:36.

[Baddoer]

All. Yep Pirellis are so bad.

[Kingshark]

Imagine the cars going around Turkey turn 8 on these Pirelli tyres.

[SpartanChas]

The tyres will be more understood by the time we get to the fly-away races at the end of the year. I think the four stop race in Barcelona was a one-off.

Nurburgring isn't hot enough to do much damage; iirc in 2011 it was a two stop and the soft tyre was used most of the race with the medium used as little as possible.

Also it's ironic that the race that gave rise to the idea that fast degrading tyres are more exciting in 2010 is now ran on soft and supersofts and isn't where we see the most deg.

Edited by SpartanChas, 21 May 2013 - 18:22.

[AlexS]

What about Monza? parabolica etc..

[redbull1654]

Spa,Suzuka maybe Nurburgring...
Monza is a low downforce circuit and its usually easy on the tyres.

Edited by redbull1654, 21 May 2013 - 20:03.

[pingu666]

indy oval, and richmond


bet those right side pirellis would love those looooong turns, and the front straight is a turn too

[Atreiu]

I don't think there will be any circuit as tough as Barcelona.
Perhaps Suzuka, but I guess the tyre issue will have sorted itself one way or another until then and excessive degradation will be easier to avoid.

[MortenF1]

One problem is races being four-stoppers, another is when we get two- and three stoppers, they have to coast around well within the drivers and cars limits.

I don't really think Canada is going to be troublesome, unless it's soaring hot, then the rears might cry.
Apart from that, obvious tyre-killers are going to be Spa (in the dry), Silverstone but again temperatures come into it, and then Suzuka and possibly India. It's on these tracks those who have a fast car (;) ) will struggle more.

[teejay]

All.

[MikeTekRacing]

I don't think there will be any circuit as tough as Barcelona.
Perhaps Suzuka, but I guess the tyre issue will have sorted itself one way or another until then and excessive degradation will be easier to avoid.

they'll probably drive the S curves on pit limiter