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#1001 encircled

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 15:26

No SC this year.......


Yeah, and no SC for the other two...

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#1002 ExFlagMan

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 15:33

The 2013 edition is actually the fastest Canadian GP in the no refueling era.

2010 Canadian GP Race winner time: 1:33:53.456
2010 Canadian GP Fastest lap: 1:16.972 (R. Kubica, 10 lap old tires)

2012 Canadian GP Race winner time: 1:32:29.586
2012 Canadian GP Fastest lap: 1:15.752 (S. Vettel, 7 lap old tires)

2013 Canadian GP Race winner time: 1:32:09.143
2013 Canadian GP Fastest lap: 1:16.182 (M. Webber, 23 lap old tires)

So much for 'cheese' tyres unless they are a very mature Gouda

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 15:49

Don´t be so exagerated, Vettel´s interview can be heared right on TV. I barely heard the boos in a lower level.

Personally, I don´t like it, but people that go to the race have the right to express their feelings. It´s not dramatic.

Each sport has his own way of manage the crowd. Compare tennis with football for example.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 16:02

Don´t be so exagerated, Vettel´s interview can be heared right on TV. I barely heard the boos in a lower level.

Personally, I don´t like it, but people that go to the race have the right to express their feelings. It´s not dramatic.

Each sport has his own way of manage the crowd. Compare tennis with football for example.

^ It's not really about hearing it on TV. It's about the drivers who are on the podium and have to hear all this. Different sports have different crowd standards. Booing has never been a known part of F1, I don't see why it should be accepted now. That is one thing we can live without.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 16:19

^ It's not really about hearing it on TV. It's about the drivers who are on the podium and have to hear all this. Different sports have different crowd standards. Booing has never been a known part of F1, I don't see why it should be accepted now. That is one thing we can live without.


Dry your tears, mate. I'm guessing that the millions of pounds in the bank and the lifestyle that goes with it is worth 30 seconds of booing.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 16:55

Dry your tears, mate. I'm guessing that the millions of pounds in the bank and the lifestyle that goes with it is worth 30 seconds of booing.

Oooh, the classic 'they earn millions, so they can chased by paparazzi' logic! Totally convinced. Come, let's boo all the rich men!

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 17:36

Awesome race with some good action till the last lap.
Massa was really racey from start of the race pulling some really aggressive manuevers from the start just like he did back in 2007 where he also started from the back.
As you all know watching the race from the stands does not provide the same experience as watching the race on TV with live timing up so I missed a lot of stuff-
The good thing about about seating on grandstand 1 was observing Alonso and others follow drivers closely with DRS and move to the inside at the end of the stretch as they approached T1 to make the pass. That was awesome to watch. I know a lot o people in here are against DRS but I can tell you that the fans on the grandstands loved this stuff as it makes the race more exciting and eventful.
Can anyone explain why was Webber the only driver taking that unusual line on the front stretch? That was very odd.
Most popular drivers were Alonso, Lewis and Kimi in that order.. Massa also had a lot of followers but Tifosi are always here in huge numbers so that is not unusual.

My condolences to the family of the Marshall who lost his life after the race - that was such an unfortunate even that overshadowed and turned down my emotions from watching the race live. As I walked to my grandstad I walked by the fence right behind the wall of champions where I saw two Marshalls standing and getting ready for the race. When I walked by I waved and said hello to both of them... When I found out about the terrible news all I could think of was the two marshalls that I ran into earlier .

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 17:38

Can anyone explain why was Webber the only driver taking that unusual line on the front stretch? That was very odd.


Hot turbulent air behind Nico

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 19:57

I didn't like the booing either but this post is just as classless.

Are you sure about that? :lol:

The people who watch the race live are the ones who have forked out serious money to see it, not the audience watching at home. Therefore they have a prior claim to be entertained and to express their feelings. I don't agree with the way those feelings were expressed but that certainly isn't because some people sitting on their arses on the sofa couldn't hear the interviews.

Of course they do, but they have a right to express their feelings as much as I have a right to criticise them for doing so. I thought they behaved like spoiled children considering they had the opportunity to be where they were--some people can't afford to go to these races but would very much love to do so, and I can imagine some of these people (myself included) would behave like angels (hyperbole here, as in the first post) to get the opportunity. The truth is that those who were booing weren't the only people watching the event--whether or not they paid more than the rest of us--and they generally make it less enjoyable for all of us who are when they behave the way they did. Forget us couch potatoes on the other side of the airwaves for a moment and consider the other people who also paid to be there and may have wanted to hear Vettel's interview--did they deserve to be subjected to such juvenile behaviour?

The hecklers came off as being totally unthankful for being able to be at the race live; F1 as a sport gets enough negative press these days, and rowdy, unappreciative fans don't need to be added to the already rich vortex of disintegrating tyres, 'artificial' overtaking, and rule fiascos. To those outside the sport, they tarnish all of us, as F1 fans and fans of racing in general, with their behavior.

That's my opinion, anyway--do you disagree?

The podium interview is a good way to give the paying fans some extra exposure to the drivers they've travelled to support. I was in front of the podium in China and while I couldn't hear a thing (no earplugs during the race) a lot of people seemed to appreciate it. On the other hand, the sound would be better for TV audiences in an underground cave full of media so I guess we should move it there...

I don't buy the whole 'for the fans' argument in regards to the podium interviews. DRS is just as much 'for the fans' as the podium interviews are--it's a gimmick for the 'show', first and foremost, and that it benefits the fans at the track is almost certainly an afterthought, I think. I've flip-flopped on their merits for the sport as a whole since their inception but now I think I'm almost certainly done with them.

I went to Indianapolis for the GPs in both 2003 and 2007 and did not feel cheated because the drivers were interviewed 'in an underground cave full of media'. You're going to be hearing them over a loud-speaker either way unless you've shelled out shed-loads for the premium seating that lets you walk right up to the podium before the mass congregation of people shows up there. Honestly, what's the difference between them being out in the open or in the press conference room anyway if you're hearing them over the PA system--or in your case, can't even hear them at all? :lol:

Yeah, may be if crowd from a particular track boos a driver during the podium interview, they should just scrap the podium interview for that circuit. After all, it is the chance of podium interview that gives them a chance to vent their negative feelings and the whole podium interview exercise is for the crowd.. They should not be given that opportunity. Continue podium interviews with other tracks and devoid those tracks that boo of the podium. May be scrap it altogether, it looks hideous anyway. Let them just watch the recorded replay of the interview.

If this is sarcasm, see the above.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 20:25

You're also allowed to boo someone you don't like because he's classless, obnoxioulsy lucky, a liar, probably a cheater somehow, a manipulator and an annoying fingerer.

But then again, you'd just sink to his level in the process.

Edited by Ravenak, 13 June 2013 - 20:25.


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 20:28

If people are allowed to clap and cheer then why is booing and jeering not allowed?!

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 21:12

If people are allowed to clap and cheer then why is booing and jeering not allowed?!



okay i will boo Alonso at nurburgring and spa.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 21:17

You're also allowed to boo someone you don't like because he's classless, obnoxioulsy lucky, a liar, probably a cheater somehow, a manipulator and an annoying fingerer.

But then again, you'd just sink to his level in the process.

Please read the first part of my post:

... they have a right to express their feelings as much as I have a right to criticise them for doing so.

I never said they weren't allowed to behave as they did--just that I look down on that sort of behaviour in the context that it was used. I have a right to do that, don't I?

The rest of your post is unnecessary, quite frankly.

If people are allowed to clap and cheer then why is booing and jeering not allowed?!

See above. In my opinion (< note this part), booing and jeering have their places at sporting events, but to boo someone because they're merely performing an interview that they're essentially required to complete just isn't cool.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 21:19

You're also allowed to boo someone you don't like because he's classless, obnoxioulsy lucky, a liar, probably a cheater somehow, a manipulator and an annoying fingerer.


Tell us how you really feel about Vettel winning so much :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 21:22

Waking up to Vettel leading the WDC feels like cutting one bit of my genitals everyday.

It has to stop because I'm running out of material after 3 years of misery.

Edited by Ravenak, 13 June 2013 - 21:23.


#1016 PaulTodd

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 21:28

^ It's not really about hearing it on TV. It's about the drivers who are on the podium and have to hear all this. Different sports have different crowd standards. Booing has never been a known part of F1, I don't see why it should be accepted now. That is one thing we can live without.


Its been in f1 for ages. how you think its somthing new shocks me

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 21:29

If people are allowed to clap and cheer then why is booing and jeering not allowed?!

Because a guy who just won deserves all the boos for his efforts...? :rolleyes:

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 21:50

You're also allowed to boo someone you don't like because he's classless, obnoxioulsy lucky, a liar, probably a cheater somehow, a manipulator and an annoying fingerer.

But then again, you'd just sink to his level in the process.


I agree that you can boo someone when he says obnoxious things on the podium (which Vettel didn't), if he inherited this win or others by sheer luck (which Vettel didn't), when he was caught cheating (which Vettel wasn't), when he misled his team or his teammate (which Vettel didn't). The only thing that is demonstrably true about Vettel is that he sometimes puts up his finger when he wins.

I think it is unbelievable that posters here, supposed F1 fans, defend people at a track who are obviously so classless, so totally devoid of knowledge, courtesy to boo someone who did was he was payed to do: to drive as fast as possible. If Gilles Villeneuve was alive he would taken a chainsaw and run into the crowd, brandishing it.



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 21:54

This is purely coming from the angry, semi-jealous (because I'm half right about him) part of the biased spectator I happen to be.

I would never boo or insult a driver in any way, especially because I'm used to approach them several times a year. But when you don't like a personality, there's nothing to do about it, you just don't like em.

Edited by Ravenak, 13 June 2013 - 21:56.


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 23:57

I'm sure Vettel didn't bat an eye at the boos. He most probably expected them, given that he spent the last few years pre-emptively answering them by brandishing his index finger like it was the middle one. "I won, f*** y'all".

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 00:49

we seriously still talking about that gesture?... people.... it's just a finger you usually use it to click your left mouse button, it is something completely normal

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 00:52

we seriously still talking about that gesture?... people.... it's just a finger you usually use it to click your left mouse button, it is something completely normal


:rotfl:

Yeah and I use my middle finger to right-click, also gonna shove it constantly in your face too see your reaction.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 00:55

I'm sure Vettel didn't bat an eye at the boos. He most probably expected them, given that he spent the last few years pre-emptively answering them by brandishing his index finger like it was the middle one. "I won, f*** y'all".


Now he knows he has their attention and he will want to win even more!

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 17:42

Oh come on, getting upset about that little finger is just nitpicking :lol:

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 17:47

Oh come on, getting upset about that little finger is just nitpicking :lol:


I just wanted to retweet and favorise this then I noticed we aren't on twitter XD

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 18:41

You're also allowed to boo someone you don't like because he's classless, obnoxioulsy lucky, a liar, probably a cheater somehow, a manipulator and an annoying fingerer.

Waking up to Vettel leading the WDC feels like cutting one bit of my genitals everyday.


Relax. :smoking: You're probably just jealous that you weren't there to boo him, right?


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 18:55

If people are allowed to clap and cheer then why is booing and jeering not allowed?!

Because you can appreciate excellence in sport? Because you can't say these guys suck at this level to jeer? If I remember right, Vettel won the Canadian Grand Prix and he certainly excelled. That's what the cheers are reserved for. Anything else has no sporting reason.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 18:59

I'm sure Vettel didn't bat an eye at the boos. He most probably expected them, given that he spent the last few years pre-emptively answering them by brandishing his index finger like it was the middle one. "I won, f*** y'all".

He clearly pointed out that they were Ferrari fans and it's no big deal, when asked about the boos. Yes, I don't think these things bother him. He was probably laughing inside 'I managed to frustrate all those Ferrari fans, ha haa'.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 19:05

Because you can appreciate excellence in sport? Because you can't say these guys suck at this level to jeer? If I remember right, Vettel won the Canadian Grand Prix and he certainly excelled. That's what the cheers are reserved for. Anything else has no sporting reason.

Yeah I agree, booing is poor. Something like Austria 2002 is fair enough, or Indy 2005, otherwise it's fans demeaning themselves IMO.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 19:09

Relax. :smoking: You're probably just jealous that you weren't there to boo him, right?


Nope, I don't boo. And nope, I go to 3-4 races a year with paddock access, so jealousy is out of the equation.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 10:07

Of course they do, but they have a right to express their feelings as much as I have a right to criticise them for doing so. I thought they behaved like spoiled children considering they had the opportunity to be where they were--some people can't afford to go to these races but would very much love to do so, and I can imagine some of these people (myself included) would behave like angels (hyperbole here, as in the first post) to get the opportunity. The truth is that those who were booing weren't the only people watching the event--whether or not they paid more than the rest of us--and they generally make it less enjoyable for all of us who are when they behave the way they did. Forget us couch potatoes on the other side of the airwaves for a moment and consider the other people who also paid to be there and may have wanted to hear Vettel's interview--did they deserve to be subjected to such juvenile behaviour?

The hecklers came off as being totally unthankful for being able to be at the race live; F1 as a sport gets enough negative press these days, and rowdy, unappreciative fans don't need to be added to the already rich vortex of disintegrating tyres, 'artificial' overtaking, and rule fiascos. To those outside the sport, they tarnish all of us, as F1 fans and fans of racing in general, with their behavior.

That's my opinion, anyway--do you disagree?


Good post, and you're right to point out the bolded. I'm sure some of the fans in the grandstand were mortified. I know I would have felt uncomfortable if I'd been there.

We clearly agree that the booing was poor form and distasteful. I think we also agree that F1 becoming more and more tribal is a bad thing (the amount of venom in football is one of the reasons I gradually lost interest).

My irritation came more from the assumption you made about people who go to races. When you use phrases like "had the opportunity" to go to a race it makes it sound like they lucked into one of Willy Wonka's golden tickets. They were there because they paid to be there, and you can't make assumptions about their economic background either. Why should the fans at the circuit be "thankful?" In my opinion the sport should be thankful for them, even if some went too far in Montreal.


I don't buy the whole 'for the fans' argument in regards to the podium interviews. DRS is just as much 'for the fans' as the podium interviews are--it's a gimmick for the 'show', first and foremost, and that it benefits the fans at the track is almost certainly an afterthought, I think. I've flip-flopped on their merits for the sport as a whole since their inception but now I think I'm almost certainly done with them.

I went to Indianapolis for the GPs in both 2003 and 2007 and did not feel cheated because the drivers were interviewed 'in an underground cave full of media'. You're going to be hearing them over a loud-speaker either way unless you've shelled out shed-loads for the premium seating that lets you walk right up to the podium before the mass congregation of people shows up there. Honestly, what's the difference between them being out in the open or in the press conference room anyway if you're hearing them over the PA system--or in your case, can't even hear them at all? :lol:


Maybe, but why does the motive matter? The fact is, the podium interviews give some fans (as you say, the ones on the pit straight) a bit more exposure to the drivers. If the only downside is a driver getting booed every once in a while I don't see a problem with it. Remember, it's not as if the podium interview created the negative feeling towards Vettel in Montreal. That negative feeling still would have been there, it just wouldn't have been aired publicly.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 16:58

Booing has never been a known part of F1, I don't see why it should be accepted now.

Senna was booed on the podium at Silverstone in 1990. Even as a kid I found that quite a shocker.