17 replies to this topic

[jimjimjeroo]

Is there a beyond!? Is there a 2013, all is speculation at the moment, but one thing I'm pretty sure of is that June is too late to change tyre supplier for next season, would you not agree? What with them being called to the IT what are the chances, if any of them saying screw you F1 were outta here!? Where would F1 go then? Or is all this a storm in a tea cup surrounded my media hype?

Edited for crap spelling (half asleep)

Edited by jimjimjeroo, 11 June 2013 - 08:18.

[sergeym]

No, Pirelli will stay as supplier. First it's too late to change anything and second - nobody is terribly interested in replacing Pirelli.

Tyre supplier has little to gain from F1 contract - if your tires are good, nobody cares about them. If they are like Pirrellis - everybody complains. What's worse you are not allowed to test properly to develop your tires.

[Sakae]

I asked question in others tires relates threads, but from deafening silence in response, I don't think anyone has clue, or don't care, but to reiterate, does anyone knows what kind of specs were issued to a tire supplier for 2014, whoever that might be? I would think that after this year noise something would change with respect to race strategies. (Change in technical loads upon tire is obvious, and doesn't need to be discussed). Moreover, I am still quite fuzzy, who wrote (defined) and approved those (racing) specs?

Edited by Sakae, 11 June 2013 - 07:24.

[Szoelloe]

No, I think its their last season.

[SenorSjon]

I don't think anyone else wants an F1-contract if they can't test the current day cars. It is like the engine manufacturers who don't want to come in F1 if they can't eek out more performance. With the turbo engines getting the same development ban in a few years, new entries for engines will be hard to find.

[sergeym]

No, I think its their last season.

Most tire suppliers have already ruled out 2014 contract. So if Pirelli leaves we are in trouble.

[Tony Mandara]

No worries! Seb's been practicing. They'll all be on "Vettel" tires next year!

[Szoelloe]

Most tire suppliers have already ruled out 2014 contract. So if Pirelli leaves we are in trouble.

I know, and I agree.

[OldSoldier2]

Most tire suppliers have already ruled out 2014 contract. So if Pirelli leaves we are in trouble.

There are rumors about Michelin. Todt's french connection. Saward

[Vesuvius]

There are rumors about Michelin. Todt's french connection. Saward

Michelin said no alreaydy, unless there will be tyrewar. I would love to have michelins back, they have made the best tyres of 2000 season.

Edited by Vesuvius, 11 June 2013 - 10:50.

[flyboy]

I don't understand why Pirelli is still wanting to stay in 2014 and beyond... all they get for trying to meet F-1's request for more competition is criticism from all sides and a complete lack of support from the FIA. Is F-1 really good for their business when all customers hear is unending criticism? If I was on the board of Pirelli I would be pushing for an exit at the end of 2013.

[MikeV1987]

With testing coming back next season, Pirelli will stay for sure imo.

IIRC one of their biggest issues was the lack of testing.

Edited by MikeV1987, 11 June 2013 - 11:40.

[Barabas]

With testing coming back next season, Pirelli will stay for sure imo.

My idea too
If a proper solution can be found for testing Pirelli stay surely

[Oho]

I don't understand why Pirelli is still wanting to stay in 2014 and beyond...

Me neither, they are primarily the patsy for the sports desire for short lifespan tires. Pirelli announcing departure and thus hanging the FIA/FOM out to dry would probably serve them right.

[ExFlagMan]

I had a dream last night.

This whole tyre testing issue is a cunning plan by Jean Todt to ensure he gets re-elected at the end of the year.

The IT will put all the entire blame on Pirelli, who decide enough is enough and withdraw from tendering for the 2014 contract.
All of a sudden the teams will wake up and 'smell the cocoa,' and enter 'headless chicken mode' at the prospect of no tyres for next year.
Step forward the little frog, who will whip off his FIA blazer and shirt to reveal a blue vest with red and yellow S on the front, waving a sheet of paper containing a Michelin tyre contract, and declaring 'peace in our time'.
Teams will all applaud, Todt gets hailed as a hero and get re-elected for life.
Only later will the teams find out they will have to pay zillions for the tyres, they will be 18" low profile tyres and in season testing will return, but to make everything equitable attendance by the teams will be compulsory.
Autosport Forum will go into melt down with half the posters appauding and the rest laughing their whatsits off.

By the 3rd race of the 2014 season 3 teams will have been suspended by the FIA for missing tyre tests and 3 others will have dropped out as a result of going bankrupt.

FIA F1 championship will be hastily restructured along the lines of the DTM with Ferrari and Mercedes supplying all the cars between them, most cars sponsored by Red Bull and/or Telmex.

Unfortunately (or possibly fortunately) I woke up at this point.

[Sakae]

but that's only one side of the coin
if only the testing changes, teams (some) will still be able to block changes to the tyres, if they think it will disadvantage them, so not much would change from the current situation
if Pirelli has some issues again, finds and tests a solution, but teams (some) don't like the solution, they will just block the change, and the next deadlock results,
allowing testing is one step, but I don't think that it is the (overall) "solution" for the wider issue/problem a.k.a. "Vetocracy" (from Veto and Democracy)

it gets closer to "crunch time", seeing that the FIA should set some rules/standards for next years tyres by 1st of September, I think teams (and suppliers for tyres and wheels) would like to know at least the overall dimensions/width of the tyres by then. Depending from what they (Pirelli atm) have in mind (there was talk about wider rear tyres) teams perhaps have to buy/order different wheels/rims too
It's time for everyone in F1 to get their s.... together and moving forward with a workable solution, at the moment it looks like anything but a professional managed/governed sport.

I think kicking this project in Sep is too late. New tech regulations next year, new engines, earlier testing date - big trouble.

[Sakae]

I had a dream last night.

This whole tyre testing issue is a cunning plan by Jean Todt to ensure he gets re-elected at the end of the year.

The IT will put all the entire blame on Pirelli, who decide enough is enough and withdraw from tendering for the 2014 contract.
All of a sudden the teams will wake up and 'smell the cocoa,' and enter 'headless chicken mode' at the prospect of no tyres for next year.
Step forward the little frog, who will whip off his FIA blazer and shirt to reveal a blue vest with red and yellow S on the front, waving a sheet of paper containing a Michelin tyre contract, and declaring 'peace in our time'.
Teams will all applaud, Todt gets hailed as a hero and get re-elected for life.
Only later will the teams find out they will have to pay zillions for the tyres, they will be 18" low profile tyres and in season testing will return, but to make everything equitable attendance by the teams will be compulsory.
Autosport Forum will go into melt down with half the posters appauding and the rest laughing their whatsits off.

By the 3rd race of the 2014 season 3 teams will have been suspended by the FIA for missing tyre tests and 3 others will have dropped out as a result of going bankrupt.

FIA F1 championship will be hastily restructured along the lines of the DTM with Ferrari and Mercedes supplying all the cars between them, most cars sponsored by Red Bull and/or Telmex.

Unfortunately (or possibly fortunately) I woke up at this point.

[superden]

I don't understand why Pirelli is still wanting to stay in 2014 and beyond.

I'll second this as well. Pirelli were given a specific remit and provided the product they were asked for. As things stand, their continued presence in Formula 1 is offering them little in the way of positive PR or useful marketing for their products outside of the sphere of the sport. Under the current regulations, political pugilism and now the looming tribunal, continuing as the sole tyre provider will do little but damage their reputation as a manufacturer. The only plus point for Pirelli at the moment is that with most of the serious contenders ruling themselves out of supplying tyres for 2014, the FIA have, by not dealing with this issue sooner, left themselves in a weakened position.

However, let us not forget that the armchair fan is rarely in possession of all the facts.