Who will be the next new WDC ?
#1
Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:28
If I would have to put a fiver on anybody, it would probably be Hulk who will hopefully land a competitive cockpit soon. Rosberg has a good car but an even better teammate, so it will be tough for him to finish in front of Lewis.
So, please vote and share your thoughts
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#2
Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:42
Not because of his race at the Nurburgring. I said it last year as well.
#3
Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:47
Not sure if serious.Grosjean. With Kimi gone and Lotus truely his, he'll be WDC when they deliver a great car.
Not because of his race at the Nurburgring. I said it last year as well.
My vote goes to Hulk.
#4
Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:48
However, I'm going to hedge my bets by not saying which one.
#5
Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:50
Not sure if serious.
My vote goes to Hulk.
I'm serious.
Hakkinen was an equal maverick upon entering F1. Grosjean has the speed, needs the consistency.
#6
Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:52
#7
Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:52
You beat me to it.I vote Nico.
However, I'm going to hedge my bets by not saying which one.
#8
Posted 09 July 2013 - 13:00
Okay, some harsh comments.
Rosberg is definitely going to be among frontrunners and semiregular race winners. But can he beat Hamilton in the same team in a tight fight, while battling for title? The answer about him ever winning the title is MAYBE.
Grosjean? I don't think so. Too inconsistent. Lotus has money problems and he will not be a lead driver in any other top team.
Perez? Shows potential, but I think he is inconsistent too. New Montoya. Has a long-term future in McLaren though.
Ricciardo? At best new Webber, the next bridesmaid.
Hulkenberg? Seems to have career management problems. Next year will be his fourth team. Always at the wrong place at the wrong time. Can still win it one day, but will need to get lucky for that to happen.
Di Resta? Solid driver, the new Heidfeld. His career height will be getting a drive in a top team to be a number two there.
Bottas? Okay, I can't be critical about him yet. Haven't seen enough. Could be a champ one day. I don't know.
Bianchi? Some hype around him, but he certainly took a long time to graduate from feeder series to F1.
Massa? Sorry, no.
So my vote went to other - Stoffel Vandoorne, who as a McLaren junior driver does a Hamilton and joins the new McLaren-Honda team as a rookie in 2015, partnering Perez. McLaren-Honda gradually develops back into a top team role and Vandoorne, who beats team-mate Perez, is crowned as Formula One World Champion in 2017.
#9
Posted 09 July 2013 - 13:03
#10
Posted 09 July 2013 - 13:07
#11
Posted 09 July 2013 - 13:09
Robin Frijns
Was thinking of him too, but he has a money problem, which is why it looks like Sauber can't promote him. He rejected Red Bull junior team idea a few years ago, but it looks like it would have been a good idea to be part of it. At least would have made to F1 without worrying about finances. These days with all kinds of paydrivers it is good to be part of a junior team scheme to avoid getting lost.
#12
Posted 09 July 2013 - 13:21
Grosjean. With Kimi gone and Lotus truely his, he'll be WDC when they deliver a great car.
Not because of his race at the Nurburgring. I said it last year as well.
Good joke. Has to get near Kimi more than once a year to be anything more than a mediocre #2.
In all honesty I think it will be Hulk or Ricciardo. Hulk seems to be a team leader, Dan seems to have good raw pace and be a clean driver. Rosberg has to beat Hamilton unless he moves teams - hard work. Perez has the Mclaren inconsistency to deal with - will they make a good car in the near future?
Bianchi reminds me of Alonso in 2001, Frijns could also be like a Vettel or Hamilton and win within a few seasons.
Ricciardo looks more promising than Webber did, he's clearly set himself ahead of Vergne.
Edited by Jimisgod, 09 July 2013 - 13:29.
#13
Posted 09 July 2013 - 13:36
Next 3 years are reserved for Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton.
You heard it NOT here first.
#14
Posted 09 July 2013 - 14:11
#15
Posted 09 July 2013 - 14:26
Why only 3 years? In 3 years, Hamilton will be only 31 and Vettel will be only 29 -- they should be at their peak form.Hulkenberg in Ferrari in 2017.
Next 3 years are reserved for Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton.
You heard it NOT here first.
It is possible that the next new WDC will be someone who gets into a top team when Alonso/Kimi/Button retire, but I think that driver will likely be younger than Hulk(who is Vettel's age).
#16
Posted 09 July 2013 - 14:27
#17
Posted 09 July 2013 - 14:31
#18
Posted 09 July 2013 - 14:36
Frijns
or Vandoorne, as I think the next couple of WDCs will probably be divided among Alonso, Vettel, kimi and Hamilton. From 2016 onwards it's down to the new generation.
Difficult prediction, but if a gun was pointed to my head, I would say after Vettel is done, and people will chase him out of F1 (as they had Schumacher once), then it will be someone whose
name is not even on the radar yet.in GP2 currently
Fixed that for you
#19
Posted 09 July 2013 - 14:43
Bottas has impressed me so far. Pastor is no slouch in qualifying--a few top-three starts last year vouch for that--and yet Bottas has driven circles around him this year. Third in Canada in the rain was no accident; Bottas is seriously quick. Given a shot at a top seat, I don't think he'd waste his chances. He hasn't proven himself to be a reliable contender yet, but I haven't seen him make any glaring errors either. A better bet than Hulkenberg, I think.
Time is running out for Rosberg. He's obviously very talented and seems to be doing better than Button did versus Hamilton, but how much Hamilton's form has changed since leaving McLaren is a mystery. Could he beat Hamilton over a season in a fight for the WDC? It's not impossible; maybe a little unlikely, but not impossible. Rosberg's fate as a champion depends on the sort of car Mercedes manages to build--he's got a few good years left before it's too late, I think, much like Button did when he moved to Honda.
Perez is in with a shot, too, but for some reason I don't see him being ahead of Button consistently enough to manage a championship. Button's getting old, though, and Perez's day may come soon--but probably not until at least 2015 with the Honda connection, which will hopefully revitalise McLaren. If Button is off his game by then--doubtful, I think--we'll get a chance to see Perez's capabilities as the fastest driver in a top team.
These four are the most likely to be newcomers to the game, I think. I won't omit the possibility of a rookie coming in out of nowhere and blowing all of them away, though--it happened with Vettel and will probably happen again.
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#20
Posted 09 July 2013 - 15:12
#21
Posted 09 July 2013 - 15:26
#22
Posted 09 July 2013 - 15:57
Then there's a handful that could do it with the right car right timing right team-mate and right development of their skills, Button-2009-style: I will limit that list to Rosberg, Pérez, Bianchi and Bottas. The first two because they've run championship winning team-mates too close for comfort, the latter two because they're far too much of unknown quantities at the moment and look mildly promising (although I cannot tell how they rank against the likes of Ricciardo and di Resta and could probably even lose out there). Grosjean I'm ruling out because whilst consistency is the only thing he's missing, he's missing way way way too much of it. But such a scenario (a Button'09 type) opens up once a decade at best. Very unlikely it'll happen for any of them in this list at all.
Then there's Massa, who has come much much closer than any of the other drivers, of course, but I cannot imagine him coming back from the dead at this stage.
I'm gonna vote Hulk but I think a driver from outside F1 is almost just as likely. Could well be one from that bunch of Frijns, Vandoorne, Magnussen, da Costa. Or someone younger, far more obscure, just starting out.
Edited by noikeee, 09 July 2013 - 15:59.
#23
Posted 09 July 2013 - 16:01
Maybe Hulkenberg, but it's also a possibility that the next new WDC isn't even driving there yet... Vettel and Hamilton will be out there for next ~8 years, Fernando ~5 years, Kimi and Jenson ~3 years.
Yeah, that's a very important factor that narrows down the odds of the current crop of hopefuls considerably. The current bunch of champions is formidable and here to stay for a long while yet.
#24
Posted 09 July 2013 - 16:27
OT, I've never quite got the Hulkenberg praise on this board. He's talented but I don't think he stands out as much as people claim. The fact that McLaren could have signed him last year and chose not to says something to me.
I'd love to see DiResta do it but I sadly don't think it will happen.
If Kobayashi came back to a good team I would single him out too.
Edited by Dunc, 09 July 2013 - 19:02.
#25
Posted 09 July 2013 - 16:30
Lets wait and see now ;)
#26
Posted 09 July 2013 - 16:30
Why only 3 years? In 3 years, Hamilton will be only 31 and Vettel will be only 29 -- they should be at their peak form.
It is possible that the next new WDC will be someone who gets into a top team when Alonso/Kimi/Button retire, but I think that driver will likely be younger than Hulk(who is Vettel's age).
Just like Alonso, Massa and Raikkonen were still in prime when Hamilton and Vettel took their championships.
#27
Posted 09 July 2013 - 16:32
Other than Button, the current field of drivers with a WDC by their name all showed great potential and results very early in their careers. And they will crowd out the present field for the next 5-10 years until the next Hamilton or Vettel arrives. Sorry.
#28
Posted 09 July 2013 - 16:45
Oh Ok, I agree.Fixed that for you
#29
Posted 09 July 2013 - 16:59
Lol yeah, let's just forget about his impressive season against Villeneuve in 2003 and then finishing third in the championship a year later.Other than Button, the current field of drivers with a WDC by their name all showed great potential and results very early in their careers. And they will crowd out the present field for the next 5-10 years until the next Hamilton or Vettel arrives.
#30
Posted 09 July 2013 - 20:09
#31
Posted 09 July 2013 - 20:13
#32
Posted 09 July 2013 - 20:38
This year he has shown that he will take no BS, along with showing signs of controlled aggression and speed. He will learn a great deal from Button.
If he can beat JB this year or next then I believe he is well placed for 2015 onwards. The advantage he has over other candidates such as Hulk is that he is 'in position'. Other drivers risk becoming teammates with Alonso, Vettel or Ham in order to get their moves.
Just my two cents.
#33
Posted 09 July 2013 - 21:05
#34
Posted 09 July 2013 - 21:07
Maybe this is the 'lost young driver generation' , maybe the next star is still waiting for his first F1 drive.
Right now there are too many young and older WDC:s who are picking up most of the points.
#35
Posted 09 July 2013 - 21:57
Last year I would've said Perez, but now I'm disappointed by his slow pace of adjustement.
Hulkenberg, I like him. If he finds a top team could destroy my prediction
Bianchi, I don't know if he lost something in the way, or was simply overrated. 2 years ago seemed a real talent, now perhaps has lost too much time.
#36
Posted 09 July 2013 - 22:29
#37
Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:19
#38
Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:28
Since 2005, it has been Fernando, Kimi, Jenson, Lewis and Vetel.
It might be a long way to go before we see another.... Not until, at least Fernando retires.
#39
Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:35
A bigger question is when we will see the next WDC?
Since 2005, it has been Fernando, Kimi, Jenson, Lewis and Vetel.
It might be a long way to go before we see another.... Not until, at least Fernando retires.
agreed;
2013 -Vettel is favourite, Alonso and Kimi outsiders, Lewis rank outsider
2014 - realistically if Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes or McLaren have the best car then it will be Vettel, Kimi, Alonso, Lewis or Jenson as a long shot
2015 - see 2014
2016 - see 2014
2017 - potentially this is when the likes of Kimi and Jenson might retire and less likely Alonso as well, you still then have Lewis and Vettel and if they are in top cars then it's hard to see a quicker driver than either of them right now if it's not the 3 mentioned.
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#40
Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:26
But that is a long shot and will depend on whether RBR will have a fast car in the new regulation era.
#41
Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:39
2003 - Button was 9th in the WDC standings and with no podiums. Did not achieve 1st win until 7th season in F1. My point still stands.Lol yeah, let's just forget about his impressive season against Villeneuve in 2003 and then finishing third in the championship a year later.
#42
Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:54
#43
Posted 10 July 2013 - 14:17
#44
Posted 10 July 2013 - 14:21
Pic was great in his rookie season and is doing a good job this year too. Wish Caterham would have picked Heikki instead of VdG, im sure Pic could have matched him.
Edit: If the Kimi/Rbr rumours are true, you will see Pic in a Lotus for sure.
Edited by AlainProstX, 10 July 2013 - 14:22.
#45
Posted 10 July 2013 - 15:25
After all, if he was able to keep Massa in Ferrari all these years... what couldn't he do?
Edited by Deerfield, 10 July 2013 - 15:45.
#46
Posted 10 July 2013 - 15:30
Ok so we might have to wait for another decade to find out since the current and former WDCs are pretty much in charge
Ehhmm, they are not. You may be right about the decade thingy though. If things go according to plan, 9 years from now Vettel is still WDC, and the listed drivers are history in F1.
#47
Posted 10 July 2013 - 20:38
2003 - Button was 9th in the WDC standings and with no podiums. Did not achieve 1st win until 7th season in F1. My point still stands.
It's very hard to win a race without the car to do so.
As for the topic, I voted Hulk, he seems to have the talent and also the mentality to reach the top. Bianchi seems very talented and is going to go far too I think, as should Bottas, about whom Williams have been raving.
#48
Posted 10 July 2013 - 20:51
#49
Posted 10 July 2013 - 21:09
Robin Frijns in 2017
Felipe Nasr in 2018
Stoffel Vandoorne in 2019
Just my two cents.;)
#50
Posted 10 July 2013 - 22:54
The next 3 champions will be:
Robin Frijns in 2017
Felipe Nasr in 2018
Stoffel Vandoorne in 2019
Just my two cents.;)
Not impossible on Frijns or Vandoorne, but I don't really believe in Nasr anymore. Quick, solid, consistent, and heavily backed - I'm sure he'll be in F1 and probably next year already. But if he was truly special he'd surely have won a GP2 race by now. Not really making a mark of a world champion, I've seen weirder things happen but the odds on that should be astronomical.