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#1 encircled

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:39

Zylon visor saved Chilton in Germany via grandprix.com

That is the claim of the German-language Speed Week, who reported that F1 race director Charlie Whiting took possession of the Marussia rookie's damaged Arai helmet after the weekend's action at the Nurburgring.

Whiting will reportedly send the British driver's helmet to be analysed by the FIA Institute, after debris flicked up by another car - probably a pebble - struck the new bullet-proof Zylon strip that runs above the drivers' visor.





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#2 Clatter

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:50

Is getting hit by debris something new? The visor saved him, but claiming it's because of the material sounds like an advertising claim.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:53

Yeah, judging by the size of the impact damage, it looks like it was something pretty small, which I would expect a helmet made of non-space age material to deal with.

However, stronger material is clearly the right way to go so thumbs up there.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:56

Yeah, judging by the size of the impact damage, it looks like it was something pretty small, which I would expect a helmet made of non-space age material to deal with.

However, stronger material is clearly the right way to go so thumbs up there.


No doubts about that whatsoever.

#5 Deerfield

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:08

given his exceptional features, wouldn't be possible to build an entire chassis in zylon?

#6 Coops3

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:19

I imagine it would be extremely heavy.

#7 mnmracer

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 14:33

I imagine it would be extremely heavy.

Zylon is the material of choice due to its low weight, high tensile strength, and thermal properties.



#8 Sin

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 14:37

This calls for a meme...

You are scared of 99942 Apophis?

Build your roof with Zylon!


Maybe Pirelli forgot their Zylon in their first variant of the 2013 tyres

#9 Andrew Hope

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 14:58

The super Zylon visor saved Chilton from what? Another zit? I'm glad he's okay but is this story just to distract everyone from the fact that he was outraced by not only his teammate but a ghost too?

Edited by Andrew Hope, 10 July 2013 - 15:08.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 15:32

GMM and the big headlines taken out of context :rolleyes:

The original article they are quoting is from Speedweek says the thing saved Chilton from injury

Anyway, Whiting is right taking Chilton's helmet for some study. Taking a look to what happens in the different situations is the best way to improve the helmets and prevent future injuries.

PS. Reading the original story, if I were Chilton, I would never get near any of the Lotus guys. The pebble got shot towards Chilton's head when Räikkönen drove over it, once Grosjean had put it on the tarmac with his car :drunk:

#11 encircled

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 15:38

GMM and the big headlines taken out of context :rolleyes:

The original article they are quoting is from Speedweek says the thing saved Chilton from injury

Anyway, Whiting is right taking Chilton's helmet for some study. Taking a look to what happens in the different situations is the best way to improve the helmets and prevent future injuries.

PS. Reading the original story, if I were Chilton, I would never get near any of the Lotus guys. The pebble got shot towards Chilton's head when Räikkönen drove over it, once Grosjean had put it on the tarmac with his car :drunk:

Thanks for the clarification.

Edit: Can a mod please replace the title to add the words from injury? Thanks in advance!

Edited by encircled, 10 July 2013 - 15:46.


#12 Rubens Hakkamacher

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 15:52

Zylon isn't anything new. I had rims made out of it on my BMX bike when I was a kid in the 80's.

It's not particularly light, but it's deformational characteristics make it a good thing for armor. I'm kind of surprised they don't line the outside of APCs with it. It's extremely tough from a "you can bend it and it doesn't get weaker" standpoint, at projectile velocities it probably acts kind of like goo.

... but again, "insert argument for F-16 canopies and why a roll cage won't affect such things".




#13 F1ultimate

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:07

In other words a £10,000 helmet is doing what it's supposed to.

News at five: Water is wet.

#14 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:10

wasn't Zylon unsafe?

#15 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:21

In other words a £10,000 helmet is doing what it's supposed to.

News at five: Water is wet.


News at ten : Massa almost died.

#16 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:26

News at ten : Massa almost died.

Zylon would have made a difference?

#17 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:28

Wasn't that part of why they brought the visor guard in?

#18 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:42

Zylon would have made a difference?


Maybe.

But the point is we are all bitching about one safety change or another. So why not read about the positive effects of these changes instead of just dismissing them?

Edited by Diablobb81, 10 July 2013 - 16:43.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:44

The super Zylon visor saved Chilton from what? Another zit? I'm glad he's okay but is this story just to distract everyone from the fact that he was outraced by not only his teammate but a ghost too?

:D

Edited by Boxerevo, 10 July 2013 - 16:44.


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#20 grackle

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:58

wasn't Zylon unsafe?

Wikipedia says that after a bulletproof vest failed that there was a recall and bankruptcy. Following testing it was downgraded, because of rapid deterioration, from 60 months to 30 and eventually discontinued for ballistic vests. However its use in motorsports continues. This might explain why the wee chunk is missing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zylon
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#21 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 17:02

I don't know if that's a chunk missing or just the top layer of decal. And it's not designed to be an invincible material. Helmets are good for one usage. Sometimes even dropping them on the ground is enough.

#22 prty

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 21:55

a £10,000 helmet


More like a third of that!

#23 Tsarwash

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 00:42

Maybe.

But the point is we are all bitching about one safety change or another. So why not read about the positive effects of these changes instead of just dismissing them?

People die. People die inside of F1 and outside, and while we should put every effort into ensuring as few people die as we reasonably can, it would be physically impossible to stop all people dying in the world or F1. And unfeasible to eliminate all forms of risk. While the driver visor is obviously one of the most vulnerable things for the racers, I am personally far more concerned with the growing number of near misses in the pitlane. This would seem to be where the next shocking fatality in F1 is likely to come from, in my mind.
It is impossible to fully eliminate the danger of an object breaching a visor, no matter how strong the material they use. This is not to say that they shouldn't always strive for better materials, but lets not overreact when any helmet or visor takes damage. They are using some of the best materials known to humanity, and races are stopped or slowed if there is much debris on the track. What more could they do ?

#24 Brother Fox

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:50

Is getting hit by debris something new? The visor saved him, but claiming it's because of the material sounds like an advertising claim.

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Seriously, theyre getting their money's worth out of that deal right now

#25 Rubens Hakkamacher

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:29

Prototype zylon visor:

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