Alonso under investigation ?
#1
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:21
#3
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:24
I doubt anything will happen.
Something should happen, thats an obvious advantage, and an illegal one surely ?
#4
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:25
#5
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:25
#6
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:26
He should get some penalty...time maybe but as Romain got time penalty as well, it wont affect to his position.
Exactly. Either way it does not effect anything.
#7
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:27
Or a reprimand, whatever...
#8
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:29
#9
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:29
He should get some penalty...time maybe but as Romain got time penalty as well, it wont affect to his position.
But what about the guy behind Grosjean?
If it was any other driver he'd get a penalty, but as it's Alonso nothing will happen.
#10
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:30
I thought the activation is controlled by control tower and teams or driver have no way of "doing it against the rule", but I was wrong?
#11
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:30
I thought the FIA telemetry is working again, and the system should prevent that? Or have they still not managed?
Theoretically the DRS shouldn't work, but we have seen occasions where it opens at the wrong time. I think it was also Alonso in China last year when his DRS kept opening uncontrolled after the hairpin.
#12
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:32
#13
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:35
The way DRS works is ridiculous.Who knows what they'll do but seeing as they have already given reprimands for this i'm sure that will have to stop at some point so probably grid drop likely if not reprimand which would be a shame
It should be operated by the driver... if it activates it too early, gets penalised; if it activates it too late, his fault. To have it automated by a third party is simply ********.
That being said, am I wrong, or is Alonso the only driver who has consistently being having problems with his DRS activation?
#14
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:35
#15
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:35
#16
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:38
A reprimand is simply the punishment given when fault lies with the FIA. DRS is under their control, and illegal use shouldn't be possible.
But if the issue arises from a malfunction on the car, then it's a team issue. Not saying that's the case, but the issue does seem to be specific to Alonso. If it was a trackside issue, one would expect to see more drivers with the same issue.
#17
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:39
The way DRS works is ridiculous.
It should be operated by the driver... if it activates it too early, gets penalised; if it activates it too late, his fault. To have it automated by a third party is simply ********.
That being said, am I wrong, or is Alonso the only driver who has consistently being having problems with his DRS activation?
I wouldn't call two races on 2.5 seasons consistent...
#18
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:40
#19
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:40
Ok, let me rephrase it...I wouldn't call two races on 2.5 seasons consistent...
Has any other driver has this problem ?
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#20
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:41
Perhaps the control tower sent the wrong signals while the control personell was busy watching hundreds of replays to see if Grosjean had exceeded the track limits with 11 or 12 centimetres.I thought the activation is controlled by control tower and teams or driver have no way of "doing it against the rule", but I was wrong?
#21
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:42
Exactly, this is getting ridiculous.I thought the FIA telemetry is working again, and the system should prevent that? Or have they still not managed?
#22
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:43
#23
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:46
#24
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:47
Ricciardo at Nurburgring.Ok, let me rephrase it...
Has any other driver has this problem ?
#25
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:48
Ok, let me rephrase it...
Has any other driver has this problem ?
Not that I have heard of. But it explains why Grosjean couldn't seem to catch up to him, lol.
#26
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:49
#27
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:50
#28
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:51
On the highlights show on the BBC, DC thought JB's DRS was open when leading Vettel but 10 seconds behind Hamilton. He was very puzzled. Maybe something not working quite right across the board.
That was because JB was behind a Marrusia in the detection zone, which pitted, and then gave JB DRS down the straight.
#29
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:51
On the highlights show on the BBC, DC thought JB's DRS was open when leading Vettel but 10 seconds behind Hamilton. He was very puzzled. Maybe something not working quite right across the board.
It was when a Marussia pitted.
#30
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:51
I noticed something similar while watching the race on Sky. There was a car close to him either ahead or behind and this caused me some confusion as well.On the highlights show on the BBC, DC thought JB's DRS was open when leading Vettel but 10 seconds behind Hamilton. He was very puzzled. Maybe something not working quite right across the board.
#31
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:52
On the highlights show on the BBC, DC thought JB's DRS was open when leading Vettel but 10 seconds behind Hamilton. He was very puzzled. Maybe something not working quite right across the board.
I saw that once. A backmarker gave him DRS and then pitted.
#32
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:52
#33
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:52
Does DRS have to be activated by the driver or can it be automatically engaged on full throttle when signal is detected?
Driver activated. Don't they get a beep in their ear to let them know when it can be used?
#34
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:56
I saw that two, but latter noted that the gap among the McLaren blades - of its rear wing - is bigger, so I'm confused.On the highlights show on the BBC, DC thought JB's DRS was open when leading Vettel but 10 seconds behind Hamilton. He was very puzzled. Maybe something not working quite right across the board.
If was closer to the end of the race, when Kimi was approaching Button.
#35
Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:56
Does DRS have to be activated by the driver or can it be automatically engaged on full throttle when signal is detected?
What I´d do if:
1) DRS was activated automatically (it doesn´t!! They weren´t opening on the line exiting T2) > No action.
2) DRS was activated manually by Alonso after receiving the steering wheel LED signal, with a car 1.something ahead > No action.
3) DRS was activated manually by Alonso after receiving the steering wheel LED signal, without anyone close ahead > small time penalty/small grid penalty.
4) DRS was activated manually by Alonso without receiving the steering wheel LED signal > bigger time penalty / bigger grid penalty.
#36
Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:02
#37
Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:02
My understanding is: The DRS control is always with the driver. A steering dashboard lights up when DRS can be used. Only during those times the drivers are allowed to use DRS. You can't press the DRS button during other times.Does DRS have to be activated by the driver or can it be automatically engaged on full throttle when signal is detected?
#38
Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:04
I thought it was an audible beep, similar to gear changes.My understanding is: The DRS control is always with the driver. A steering dashboard lights up when DRS can be used. Only during those times the drivers are allowed to use DRS. You can't press the DRS button during other times.
#39
Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:07
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#40
Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:07
Perhaps the control tower sent the wrong signals while the control personell was busy watching hundreds of replays to see if Grosjean had exceeded the track limits with 11 or 12 centimetres.
They shouldn't have to send the signals. The system should work on simple boolean logic. IF <in DRS zones> AND <within 1 second of car in front> THEN DRS button lights up AND ready to activate.
#41
Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:11
What I´d do if:
1) DRS was activated automatically (it doesn´t!! They weren´t opening on the line exiting T2) > No action.
2) DRS was activated manually by Alonso after receiving the steering wheel LED signal, with a car 1.something ahead > No action.
3) DRS was activated manually by Alonso after receiving the steering wheel LED signal, without anyone close ahead > small time penalty/small grid penalty.
4) DRS was activated manually by Alonso without receiving the steering wheel LED signal > bigger time penalty / bigger grid penalty.
Spot on If 4) turns out to be the case, then the elephant in the room would be - how would he have known that the DRS was going to work if he tried to activate it. I hardly think he's going to simply try and activate it regardless every time and this time it happened to work (should be penalised even if he did that because it's an intentional attempt to cheat). Anyway will be interesting to find out what happened i.e which of the above 4 cases it was.
#42
Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:18
And iff he did it three times and the FIA punish him, would they give him only one penalty for the three or one for each one? Because if it's only one, 20 seconds don't affect his final position with Grosjean penalty.
#43
Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:24
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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:24
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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:28
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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:30
#48
Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:32
#49
Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:32
I could be wrong, I don't know if it was changed from the first year. But a audio beep seems a bad idea compared to a visual dashboard signal.I thought it was an audible beep, similar to gear changes.
#50
Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:33