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#1 swerved

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:21

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#2 Massa_f1

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:22

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I doubt anything will happen.

#3 swerved

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:24

I doubt anything will happen.



Something should happen, thats an obvious advantage, and an illegal one surely ?

#4 Vesuvius

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:25

He should get some penalty...time maybe but as Romain got time penalty as well, it wont affect to his position.

#5 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:25

I thought the FIA telemetry is working again, and the system should prevent that? Or have they still not managed?

#6 Massa_f1

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:26

He should get some penalty...time maybe but as Romain got time penalty as well, it wont affect to his position.


Exactly. Either way it does not effect anything.

#7 Absulute

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:27

Should be given a 30 second time penalty, a 10-place grid penalty at every race, thrown out of the championship, loaded into a cannon and fired into the centre of the sun.

Or a reprimand, whatever...

#8 Cool Beans

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:29

I wonder if it was a matter of milliseconds or opening it while running by himself, just for the hell of it.

#9 mattferg

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:29

He should get some penalty...time maybe but as Romain got time penalty as well, it wont affect to his position.


But what about the guy behind Grosjean?

If it was any other driver he'd get a penalty, but as it's Alonso nothing will happen.

#10 muramasa

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:30


I thought the activation is controlled by control tower and teams or driver have no way of "doing it against the rule", but I was wrong? :confused:

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:30

I thought the FIA telemetry is working again, and the system should prevent that? Or have they still not managed?


Theoretically the DRS shouldn't work, but we have seen occasions where it opens at the wrong time. I think it was also Alonso in China last year when his DRS kept opening uncontrolled after the hairpin.

#12 MMandi

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:32

Who knows what they'll do but seeing as they have already given reprimands for this i'm sure that will have to stop at some point so probably grid drop likely if not reprimand which would be a shame

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:35

Who knows what they'll do but seeing as they have already given reprimands for this i'm sure that will have to stop at some point so probably grid drop likely if not reprimand which would be a shame

The way DRS works is ridiculous.
It should be operated by the driver... if it activates it too early, gets penalised; if it activates it too late, his fault. To have it automated by a third party is simply ********.
That being said, am I wrong, or is Alonso the only driver who has consistently being having problems with his DRS activation?

#14 P123

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:35

I suppose it depends on how much earlier he opened it.

#15 Disgrace

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:35

A reprimand is simply the punishment given when fault lies with the FIA. DRS is under their control, and illegal use shouldn't be possible.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:38

A reprimand is simply the punishment given when fault lies with the FIA. DRS is under their control, and illegal use shouldn't be possible.


But if the issue arises from a malfunction on the car, then it's a team issue. Not saying that's the case, but the issue does seem to be specific to Alonso. If it was a trackside issue, one would expect to see more drivers with the same issue.

#17 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:39

The way DRS works is ridiculous.
It should be operated by the driver... if it activates it too early, gets penalised; if it activates it too late, his fault. To have it automated by a third party is simply ********.
That being said, am I wrong, or is Alonso the only driver who has consistently being having problems with his DRS activation?


I wouldn't call two races on 2.5 seasons consistent...

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:40

The best punishment would be to ban DRS from the sport so it won't happen again.

#19 Mr.Wayne

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:40

I wouldn't call two races on 2.5 seasons consistent...

Ok, let me rephrase it...
Has any other driver has this problem ?


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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:41

I thought the activation is controlled by control tower and teams or driver have no way of "doing it against the rule", but I was wrong? :confused:

Perhaps the control tower sent the wrong signals while the control personell was busy watching hundreds of replays to see if Grosjean had exceeded the track limits with 11 or 12 centimetres.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:42

I thought the FIA telemetry is working again, and the system should prevent that? Or have they still not managed?

Exactly, this is getting ridiculous.

#22 study

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:43

Thats the point though, maybe the Ferrari system isn't blocking it as it should be, thats a fail with Ferrari not FIA.

#23 aray

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:46

i thought drivers have no hand in it.....it is controlled by FIA... :confused:

#24 dweller23

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:47

Ok, let me rephrase it...
Has any other driver has this problem ?

Ricciardo at Nurburgring.

#25 bourbon

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:48

Ok, let me rephrase it...
Has any other driver has this problem ?


Not that I have heard of. But it explains why Grosjean couldn't seem to catch up to him, lol.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:49

On the highlights show on the BBC, DC thought JB's DRS was open when leading Vettel but 10 seconds behind Hamilton. He was very puzzled. Maybe something not working quite right across the board.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:50

Does DRS have to be activated by the driver or can it be automatically engaged on full throttle when signal is detected?

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:51

On the highlights show on the BBC, DC thought JB's DRS was open when leading Vettel but 10 seconds behind Hamilton. He was very puzzled. Maybe something not working quite right across the board.


That was because JB was behind a Marrusia in the detection zone, which pitted, and then gave JB DRS down the straight.

#29 P123

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:51

On the highlights show on the BBC, DC thought JB's DRS was open when leading Vettel but 10 seconds behind Hamilton. He was very puzzled. Maybe something not working quite right across the board.


It was when a Marussia pitted.

#30 OO7

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:51

On the highlights show on the BBC, DC thought JB's DRS was open when leading Vettel but 10 seconds behind Hamilton. He was very puzzled. Maybe something not working quite right across the board.

I noticed something similar while watching the race on Sky. There was a car close to him either ahead or behind and this caused me some confusion as well.

#31 Skinnyguy

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:52

On the highlights show on the BBC, DC thought JB's DRS was open when leading Vettel but 10 seconds behind Hamilton. He was very puzzled. Maybe something not working quite right across the board.


I saw that once. A backmarker gave him DRS and then pitted.

#32 SophieB

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:52

Ah, I see. Thanks for the info.

#33 P123

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:52

Does DRS have to be activated by the driver or can it be automatically engaged on full throttle when signal is detected?


Driver activated. Don't they get a beep in their ear to let them know when it can be used?

#34 V3TT3L

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:56

On the highlights show on the BBC, DC thought JB's DRS was open when leading Vettel but 10 seconds behind Hamilton. He was very puzzled. Maybe something not working quite right across the board.

I saw that two, but latter noted that the gap among the McLaren blades - of its rear wing - is bigger, so I'm confused.

If was closer to the end of the race, when Kimi was approaching Button.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:56

Does DRS have to be activated by the driver or can it be automatically engaged on full throttle when signal is detected?


What I´d do if:

1) DRS was activated automatically (it doesn´t!! They weren´t opening on the line exiting T2) > No action.
2) DRS was activated manually by Alonso after receiving the steering wheel LED signal, with a car 1.something ahead > No action.
3) DRS was activated manually by Alonso after receiving the steering wheel LED signal, without anyone close ahead > small time penalty/small grid penalty.
4) DRS was activated manually by Alonso without receiving the steering wheel LED signal > bigger time penalty / bigger grid penalty.

#36 TomNokoe

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:02

Alonso has to press a button. Three times is quite a lot. If he was say 1.5seconds behind a car and the signal was false then fair enough, Alonso can't judge the distances, but if it was obvious he wasn't entitled to it yet he still used it (three times) then I'd say that warrants punishment.

#37 SpaMaster

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:02

Does DRS have to be activated by the driver or can it be automatically engaged on full throttle when signal is detected?

My understanding is: The DRS control is always with the driver. A steering dashboard lights up when DRS can be used. Only during those times the drivers are allowed to use DRS. You can't press the DRS button during other times.

#38 TomNokoe

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:04

My understanding is: The DRS control is always with the driver. A steering dashboard lights up when DRS can be used. Only during those times the drivers are allowed to use DRS. You can't press the DRS button during other times.

I thought it was an audible beep, similar to gear changes.

#39 Massa

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:07

It's a beep yes TOM. :)

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:07

Perhaps the control tower sent the wrong signals while the control personell was busy watching hundreds of replays to see if Grosjean had exceeded the track limits with 11 or 12 centimetres.


They shouldn't have to send the signals. The system should work on simple boolean logic. IF <in DRS zones> AND <within 1 second of car in front> THEN DRS button lights up AND ready to activate.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:11

What I´d do if:

1) DRS was activated automatically (it doesn´t!! They weren´t opening on the line exiting T2) > No action.
2) DRS was activated manually by Alonso after receiving the steering wheel LED signal, with a car 1.something ahead > No action.
3) DRS was activated manually by Alonso after receiving the steering wheel LED signal, without anyone close ahead > small time penalty/small grid penalty.
4) DRS was activated manually by Alonso without receiving the steering wheel LED signal > bigger time penalty / bigger grid penalty.


Spot on :up: If 4) turns out to be the case, then the elephant in the room would be - how would he have known that the DRS was going to work if he tried to activate it. I hardly think he's going to simply try and activate it regardless every time and this time it happened to work (should be penalised even if he did that because it's an intentional attempt to cheat). Anyway will be interesting to find out what happened i.e which of the above 4 cases it was.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:18

In my opinion,if it was an error with the system that allowed him to open the DRS, he should only get punished if it was clear that there wasn't a car close in the detection point, if there was a car close ahead it's obvious that he can't tell how far is from his position.

And iff he did it three times and the FIA punish him, would they give him only one penalty for the three or one for each one? Because if it's only one, 20 seconds don't affect his final position with Grosjean penalty.

#43 F.M.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:24

$15.000 fine :S

#44 SamH123

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:24

A fine seems a strange one for a potential performance advantage

#45 redreni

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:28

If Alonso's DRS was activted when it shouldn't have been then it was faulty, rather like the floor stay on Grosjean's car. We've already seen from the stewards' decision in that case that if something is broken it's "not a case of non-compliance". So we can presumably forget about this incident whether or not any advantage has been gained? Unless it's a different rule for Ferrari than for Lotus?

#46 Markn93

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:30

Good explanation - http://www.f1fanatic...for-drs-misuse/

#47 skc

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:30

Slippery slope if they let this go as accidental.

#48 dweller23

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:32

Well, Ferrari dodged some bullets today, first with Massa's crashes and now with that. Compared to other penalties handed out today, this one is really nothing.

#49 SpaMaster

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:32

I thought it was an audible beep, similar to gear changes.

I could be wrong, I don't know if it was changed from the first year. But a audio beep seems a bad idea compared to a visual dashboard signal.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:33

It's a bip audio at ferrari, for sure.