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[repete]

That's a great point. Torro Rosso was a WDC car in 07-08. People seem to forget he never had to earn his RBR drive. Its not like he was the only driver to go from TR to RBR prior to Ric.....

[weareracing]

Amazing to think that one of THE greatest F1 talents is treated with such disdain.

Imagine the 1950's and Fangio on the verge of a 4th successive title?

Boo's or applause ?

It has NOTHING to do with the racing, it is more an indication of how ego-centred society and individuals have become.

People with ZERO talent simply consume, it's both obscene and obese.

GO SEB, Mark (who I admire) had the same car, and the 1st opportunity to pass Jenson (all conquering Brawn GP double-diffuser) in the rain at the 2009 Chinese GP.

The rest is HISTORY x 4 WDC when this season ends. 

[mnmracer]

If you consider booing unarguably within reason you don't really have a high horse to sit on, so get off it.

[bourbon]

"I'd rather be the guy getting booed than the one standing on the second step right now." ~ Mario Andretti, Monza 2013 post-race ceremonies

 

Pretty much says everything that needs to be said, I think.

 

In pre-race Mario said: 'Sebastian Vettel is a rare breed that only comes along one in a long while and can extract the maximum from whatever you give him to work with" 

 

He is right of course.  Vettel has people saying that the 2008 STRF was a WDC car.  A WDC car!!  lol.  That is AWESOME!  Newey himself agrees Seb is special, but I guess he'd be considered a blinkered old man who doesn't know his foot from a front wing...

[Thomas99]

In pre-race Mario said: 'Sebastian Vettel is a rare breed that only comes along one in a long while and can extract the maximum from whatever you give him to work with" 

 

He is right of course.  Vettel has people saying that the 2008 STRF was a WDC car.  A WDC car!!  lol.  That is AWESOME!  Newey himself agrees Seb is special, but I guess he'd be considered a blinkered old man who doesn't know his foot from a front wing...

 

I guess Paul Di Resta can extract above maximum then. 

[mnmracer]

I guess so does Tarso Marques then. And of course Mark Webber, who once upon a time also beat Alonso in F3000. What an unfair world that these fantastic drivers, who once showed they could beat a driver that can now, 15 years later, extract everything from a car, don't get the credit they deserve.

[trogggy]

Like football fans who pay their admission to a match and are allowed to "express" themselves by being racially abusive or by spitting at players, you mean?

When did booing become a criminal offence?

[fabr68]

Bloody hell. There must have been shedload of Brits at Monza this year.........

 

 

This post wins the thread. 

[tifosiMac]

Bloody hell. There must have been shedload of Brits at Monza this year.........

I think you some up the absurdity of generalisations about who actually boo's Vettel, and those who assume its just the British.

 

He is just unpopular around the world right now and there is now set nationality booing him. I don't think he is being booed because he is German and its all really just pantomime IMO. He is successfull and has been a bit controversial of late, but I doubt he cares if he is still winning titles.

[apoka]

There's something about Vettel that makes it so boring when he wins. I don't know why, but generally speaking, when Alonso or Hamilton win races, they are usually more exciting to watch. I can't get invested in a race when Vettel is at front, it's almost always dull.

 

Most people can recall many Alonso wins, such as San Marino 2005, Germany 2007, Singapore 2010, Malaysia 2012, and Valencia 2012. Vettel has as many wins as Alonso (32), yet apart from Monza 2008 and Germany 2013, all his wins are a blur to the memory.

 

Maybe people wouldn't be booing him as much if he won in more interesting fashion.

Sorry, but that is the one of the most unlikely explanations I heard so far. Vettel had lots of interesting races - just look back at Spa or Abu Dhabi last year. His Brazil 2012 had so much tension that it was hard to breathe during the race. Those were not race wins, but who cares about that when judging whether a driver is boring.

 

Actually, it could be seen as an unintended compliment that you think the race is dull when Vettel is ahead as you believe he can execute those wins almost to perfection in that case. However, many of the Hamilton or Alonso wins weren't that different - one of the best drivers in the fastest car usually means not much fighting for P1.

[Sin]

I think you some up the absurdity of generalisations about who actually boo's Vettel, and those who assume its just the British.

 

He is just unpopular around the world right now and there is now set nationality booing him. I don't think he is being booed because he is German and its all really just pantomime IMO. He is successfull and has been a bit controversial of late, but I doubt he cares if he is still winning titles.

 

 

is not true tho... he is only unpopular with the Ferrari Fans...  he is very popular from what I can see on tumblr, twitter and the like... and the younger the people are the more Seb fans you fine with them Marilene put it nicely earlier in the thread, I couldn't write it better than her

[NotSoSilentBob]

 All you have to do is watch any of the flyaway races to see the multitudes of fans in blue.

 

You think that people wearing Red Bull Racing gear necessarily means that Vettel's also liked? Seriously?

 

I suggest you look up the phrase 'bandwagon fans'. McLaren has plenty of them, Ferrari too. So does Red Bull, from about 2009.

[Sin]

You think that people wearing Red Bull Racing gear necessarily means that Vettel's also liked? Seriously?

 

I suggest you look up the phrase 'bandwagon fans'. McLaren has plenty of them, Ferrari too. So does Red Bull, from about 2009.

 

and you accuse them of not being Seb fans exactly why? Just cause you can't accept that Seb got fans too? It's pretty obvious he has fans tho... and many of them!

Just because people that are not his fans boo him doesn't mean he is not popular x.x.... wonder why some people simply don't get it

 

of course not all of them are Seb fans.. however you make it sound like only a minority is

Edited by Sin, 09 September 2013 - 08:53.

[DarthWillie]

Top 10 Reasons To Boo Vettel

 

10. Reminds you of that "know it all" kid on the Simpsons. ah the horrible crime of looking like a cartoon character, FIRING SQUAD!!!!!!

  9. Those bad Kimi impersonations. I've heard some very bad critics about his Mansell imitations

  8. Anybody that happy must be hiding something.  Maybe he knows Lance Armstrong

  7. After 3 WDCs, can't he share? Yes you.re right, F1 has always been about fair play and sharing

  6. Gotta be the hair. YES how dare he paint his hair, he should have held a poll with all F1 fans

  5. Christian Horner told me to. to what?

  4. Something to do with Malaysia? Nah that would be childish, you're bigger than that

  3. Looks like he'd say ... Gonna tell Mom on you. Again how dare he sinking to your level!!!!!

  2. One Justin Beiber is bad enough. True, I hate his singing career also (hamiltons that is    )

  

 

 

And the #1 reason to boo Seb Vettel is .... He kicked Hammy's dog and claimed it was TEAM ORDERS!!! So you see he can follow orders!

[MikeTekRacing]

I obviously don't know the guy but the impression I get is that there are a lot of really fake things around him

- fake car issues later in the race, fake drama

- fake celebrations

- fake team mate battle - I would more gladly accept it if it were open but at times it really SEEMS like RBR are sabotaging Mark. It may be stupid to think so but it seems like it.

 

The way he has handled some of the incidents - Turkey, Malaysia this year...has also not been very transparent. He was at fault in Turkey but the team was behind him 100%, he was at fault in Malaysia and that was bad. 

 

Antics on track people will allow - it's a hard battle, pushing, being a d!ck at times is more tolerated by fans than being fake.

 

This is how I feel at least...I am clearly biased, I don't boo him or anything but I feel no excitement when he wins....and that doesn't happen for any other driver. 

[Dozer]

It has NOTHING to do with the racing, it is more an indication of how ego-centred society and individuals have become.

People with ZERO talent simply consume, it's both obscene and obese.

 

 

So you think the fans who attend the races, booing an unpopular driver on the podium are doing so completely unrelated to the racing they've just wintessed?

 

Are you sure? Have you canvassed a selection of them to ask why they see fit to boo Seb every race?

 

It's obvious the booing is getting to Seb (and a selection of his fans), now instead of childishly lashing out at everyone (saying every boo comes from the mouth of a jealous Brit) how about trying to understand why that is?

[mnmracer]

I obviously don't know the guy but the impression I get is that there are a lot of really fake things around him

- fake car issues later in the race, fake drama

- fake celebrations

- fake team mate battle - I would more gladly accept it if it were open but at times it really SEEMS like RBR are sabotaging Mark. It may be stupid to think so but it seems like it.

 

The way he has handled some of the incidents - Turkey, Malaysia this year...has also not been very transparent. He was at fault in Turkey but the team was behind him 100%, he was at fault in Malaysia and that was bad. 

 

Antics on track people will allow - it's a hard battle, pushing, being a d!ck at times is more tolerated by fans than being fake.

 

This is how I feel at least...I am clearly biased, I don't boo him or anything but I feel no excitement when he wins....and that doesn't happen for any other driver. 

So what you're basically saying is, you are making up these "fake" things (fake celebrations? let the guy celebrate how he feels, geez...) and hate him for the character you yourself have made out of him.

[Sin]

I obviously don't know the guy but the impression I get is that there are a lot of really fake things around him

- fake car issues later in the race, fake drama

- fake celebrations

- fake team mate battle - I would more gladly accept it if it were open but at times it really SEEMS like RBR are sabotaging Mark. It may be stupid to think so but it seems like it.

 

The way he has handled some of the incidents - Turkey, Malaysia this year...has also not been very transparent. He was at fault in Turkey but the team was behind him 100%, he was at fault in Malaysia and that was bad. 

 

Antics on track people will allow - it's a hard battle, pushing, being a d!ck at times is more tolerated by fans than being fake.

 

This is how I feel at least...I am clearly biased, I don't boo him or anything but I feel no excitement when he wins....and that doesn't happen for any other driver. 

 

that is your opinion not a fact.... It didn't seem fake to me

[NotSoSilentBob]

and you accuse them of not being Seb fans exactly why? Just cause you can't accept that Seb got fans too? It's pretty obvious he has fans tho... and many of them!

Just because people that are not his fans boo him doesn't mean he is not popular x.x.... wonder why some people simply don't get it

 

of course not all of them are Seb fans.. however you make it sound like only a minority is

 

Seb's got a lot of fans no doubt, but any suggestion that just because someone visibly 'supports' RBR also means they're probably a Vettel fan is complete crap. It's like suggesting they're automatically a Webber fan too, and we know that the majority of German RBR fans (wearing blue) likely couldn't care less about Mark.

 

My point being that despite the majority hue of the grandstand, it doesn't necessarily translate into liking the people driving the cars.

[MikeTekRacing]

that is your opinion not a fact.... It didn't seem fake to me

 

as I clearly stated that it's just my opinion. However looking at the events of the grand prix races it seems other people for some reasons (probably different) really don't like him winning.

[MikeTekRacing]

So what you're basically saying is, you are making up these "fake" things (fake celebrations? let the guy celebrate how he feels, geez...) and hate him for the character you yourself have made out of him.

 

i don't know if I am making up all these fake things. 

webber seems to get some very very strange red bull calls, the car drama in the late stages of the race never leads to anything bad for the car etc. 

 

It's circumstantial and of course there are no proofs. as i stated these SEEM fake. The facts are clear and for some reason his actions are not transparent enough. Red Bull's calls don't help out either.

[mnmracer]

how about trying to understand why that is?

How about actually telling why that is now.

All we've heard here are so-called reasons that are proving to be no reason at all.

For instance, if the boo'ers would be so upset about ignoring team-orders, Webber would also be booed.

But since he isn't, there is clearly not some higher moral value that Vettel broke that causes the boos.

 

The boo'ers don't care about 'unfair treatment of team-mates', or they would also boo Alonso.

The boo'ers don't care about 'dominant wins', or they would also boo Alonso and Hamilton.

The boo'ers don't care about 'having a fast car all his career' or they would also boo Hamilton.

The boo'ers don't care about 'winning the championship in the fastest car' or they would also boo Alonso and Button.

The boo'ers don't care about 'respect to other drivers' or they would also boo Webber, Alonso, Button, Hamilton, Kimi (etc).

The boo'ers don't care about 'be grateful to your team' or they would also boo Webber, Alonso and Kimi.

etc.

etc.

etc.

 

So what is it then?

What is genuinely uniquely wrong with Vettel that justifies the boos?

Or are you finally going to be man enough to say you don't like him beating your driver and you can't handle that?

[fastwriter]

is the booing actually a commentary on vettel the person.

 

I doubt it.

 

it is booing because many fans are frustrated that vettel is well on his way to another wdc driving clearly the best car.

 

whilst many got frustrated when schumacher was winning I suspect people could respect that at least he ahd spent some years in a clearly not particularly competitive car and had paid his dues. there is a widespread feeling out there that it has come a little too easily for vettel.

 

it is what it is. people would like to see vettel win in a car not the fastest or someone else win. clearly hiring riccardo rbr do want any form of chnage and will continue to pin their hopes solely on vettel.

 

I myself hope that something happens to vettel - but not because I dislike him personnally.

 

just that in my view his 4 wdc will have come a little too easily.

 

I really didn't want to write on this thread, but if you have to read such a ****, I cannot restraint myself any longer.

 

Vettel did it the hard way compared to Hamilton. He came into F1 as a stand in for Kubica, did very well. Then he went to Toro Rosso and impressed from the get go in a merely mediocre car. The following season he won a race in a Toro Rosso, then still a midfield car. He destroyed the F1 career of the highly rated Bourdais. Then he went on his way to Red Bull, which 2008 themselves were mediocre at best. In 2009 Red Bull Racing started winning - with whom? Right, Vettel. The team got better every year since.

 

Compare that to Hamilton: As a McLaren prospect, he was prepared like no rookie before in F1 history. He then got a car, which was capable of winning WDC and WCC titles, but the team blew it. The next year his car was clearly the class of the field, but he blew it. Hamilton has always had a car, which he could fight for the title or race wins at least. What did he do with it? He is the most winning driver without multiple WDCs. Maybe that says something about him - or something about Vettel.

 

All this hate in England (and nowhere else in the world, there is such a disrespect towards Vettel, even not in Italy, where they cheer for Ferrari and boo everybody else), just originates from the fact, that the british media portrayed Hamilton as the best F1 driver there ever will be even before he had raced once. He was destined to dominate the sport for the next decade or so. Better than Senna, better than Schumacher. And so forth.

 

And then, there comes a german!!! (oh no, not again) kid and destroys all Hamilton records and wins title after title. But he can't be better, cos everybody said Hamilton ist the best. So whe have to look for something. Ah, it's the car. It's his luck. Its his ruthlessness, not obeying to teamorders. He must be an arrogant, spoiled kid or something.

 

It's just pathetic.

[Sin]

Seb's got a lot of fans no doubt, but any suggestion that just because someone visibly 'supports' RBR also means they're probably a Vettel fan is complete crap. It's like suggesting they're automatically a Webber fan too, and we know that the majority of German RBR fans (wearing blue) likely couldn't care less about Mark.

 

My point being that despite the majority hue of the grandstand, it doesn't necessarily translate into liking the people driving the cars.

 

okay then I agree :o.... tho... next year if I get a Red Bull cap I will wear it to support both Dan & Seb :)

Edited by Sin, 09 September 2013 - 09:18.

[Slackbladder]

Ok, look firstly

 

1) Vettel is doing his job.

2) Red Bull are doing their job

 

Now, I expect both Red Bull and Vettel are (rightly), enjoying those boos, and why not, they're winning, and dominanting, and Vettel is 99% going to stroll to his 4 WDC.

 

But it is starting to taint the sport, and having a negative vibe, maybe that's the fans fault for whatever reason not liking either Red Bull and Vettel, but things are how they are.

 

I'm not sure anything is going to change, fans (especially tifosi) are passionate, and tribal, and don't always act rationally. Neither Red Bull or Vettel are going to stop trying to win.

 

But it is affecting the sport, and the image of the sport, and not in a good way.

[maverick69]

I really didn't want to write on this thread, but if you have to read such a ****, I cannot restraint myself any longer.

 

But in doing so you've managed to reel off a load of **** yourself.......

 

Vettel did it the hard way compared to Hamilton. He came into F1 as a stand in for Kubica, did very well. Then he went to Toro Rosso and impressed from the get go in a merely mediocre car. The following season he won a race in a Toro Rosso, then still a midfield car. He destroyed the F1 career of the highly rated Bourdais. Then he went on his way to Red Bull, which 2008 themselves were mediocre at best. In 2009 Red Bull Racing started winning - with whom? Right, Vettel. The team got better every year since.

 

Compare that to Hamilton: As a McLaren prospect, he was prepared like no rookie before in F1 history. He then got a car, which was capable of winning WDC and WCC titles, but the team blew it. The next year his car was clearly the class of the field, but he blew it. Hamilton has always had a car, which he could fight for the title or race wins at least. What did he do with it? He is the most winning driver without multiple WDCs. Maybe that says something about him - or something about Vettel.

 

Vettel did it the hard way? His rise to F1 was just as well supported by Red Bull as Hamilton's by McLaren. Hell. He even had a whole season of Friday driving and testing in the BMW...... preparation that Hamilton never had. And sure. Hamilton jumped in to a WDC capable car....... But guess who his teammate was! Alonso. And he beat him! Not exactly a challenge of Bourdais proportions though..... Lol. As for Vettel being the reason that Red Bull started winning...... I think even some of his most ardent supporters will realise that there is more to it than that..... 

As for Hamilton not winning more WDCs given his race count win - Did you actually watch last season? 

 

All this hate in England (and nowhere else in the world, there is such a disrespect towards Vettel, even not in Italy, where they cheer for Ferrari and boo everybody else), just originates from the fact, that the british media portrayed Hamilton as the best F1 driver there ever will be even before he had raced once. He was destined to dominate the sport for the next decade or so. Better than Senna, better than Schumacher. And so forth.

 

And then, there comes a german!!! (oh no, not again) kid and destroys all Hamilton records and wins title after title. But he can't be better, cos everybody said Hamilton ist the best. So whe have to look for something. Ah, it's the car. It's his luck. Its his ruthlessness, not obeying to teamorders. He must be an arrogant, spoiled kid or something.

 

Where is all this "hate"? If anything the British press in general like to stick the knives into Hamilton at every opportunity - whereas Vettel generally gets very positive press (apart from of course the multi21 incident  - Partly because Webber is very popular in the UK). Make no mistake Button is very much the media darling over here.....

 

It's just pathetic.

 

#irony

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Edited by maverick69, 09 September 2013 - 10:05.

[tifosiMac]

I really didn't want to write on this thread, but if you have to read such a ****, I cannot restraint myself any longer.

 

Vettel did it the hard way compared to Hamilton. He came into F1 as a stand in for Kubica, did very well. Then he went to Toro Rosso and impressed from the get go in a merely mediocre car. The following season he won a race in a Toro Rosso, then still a midfield car. He destroyed the F1 career of the highly rated Bourdais. Then he went on his way to Red Bull, which 2008 themselves were mediocre at best. In 2009 Red Bull Racing started winning - with whom? Right, Vettel. The team got better every year since.

 

Compare that to Hamilton: As a McLaren prospect, he was prepared like no rookie before in F1 history. He then got a car, which was capable of winning WDC and WCC titles, but the team blew it. The next year his car was clearly the class of the field, but he blew it. Hamilton has always had a car, which he could fight for the title or race wins at least. What did he do with it? He is the most winning driver without multiple WDCs. Maybe that says something about him - or something about Vettel.

 

All this hate in England (and nowhere else in the world, there is such a disrespect towards Vettel, even not in Italy, where they cheer for Ferrari and boo everybody else), just originates from the fact, that the british media portrayed Hamilton as the best F1 driver there ever will be even before he had raced once. He was destined to dominate the sport for the next decade or so. Better than Senna, better than Schumacher. And so forth.

 

And then, there comes a german!!! (oh no, not again) kid and destroys all Hamilton records and wins title after title. But he can't be better, cos everybody said Hamilton ist the best. So whe have to look for something. Ah, it's the car. It's his luck. Its his ruthlessness, not obeying to teamorders. He must be an arrogant, spoiled kid or something.

 

It's just pathetic.

Vettel and Hamilton had very similar paths to F1. They both went through the ranks of driver development programs and were chosen for the top teams of those said companies. Vettel did his time in the junior team and Hamilton stepped straight in, but that is the only real difference. Both deserved their drives regardless of when they got there.

 

I don't get the impression there is a lot of hate originating from Britain. I think that is an excuse on the internet personally. Looking through the sports in the tabloids it is mostly about Hamilton and how he is hard on himself this morning. That is a refreshing change considering the British tabloids lay in to him any chance they get and generally support Button as he is the more approchable character. British fans aren't as bad as many seem to like to portray in my experience. I think you have your perception's all wrong

Edited by tifosiMac, 09 September 2013 - 10:00.

[Sin]

actually believe it or not most of the people who are Seb fans, that I know infact ARE british... so I don't think nationality is an excuse either

[Slackbladder]

actually believe it or not most of the people who are Seb fans, that I know infact ARE british... so I don't think nationality is an excuse either

 

I don't like Vettel, but he's doing his job, and doing it well, as is Red Bull and Newey. They shouldn't be concerned.

 

It is damaging the sport as a whole in terms of its image and popularity though, but that's just a consequence.

[maverick69]

actually believe it or not most of the people who are Seb fans, that I know infact ARE british... so I don't think nationality is an excuse either

 

Correct. Britain has a massively varied and knowledgeable fanbase. You can see it on this very forum - and at the British Grand Prix. You defo have a majority of Hamilton and Button fans - but fans of other drivers and teams (particularly Ferrari) are in abundance too. In fact, I would go as far as saying that it is the most cosmopolitan of all the races with vested interests in particular drivers. 

[speednerd]

Meh... it all started with a bunch of fanboys trying to extract a reaction from Vettel/Red Bull.

 

Vettel's mistake was to react to these idiots.

 

Now everyone is booing Vettel because it is the 'cool' thing to do.

[black magic]

sorry fastwriter to upset you so.

 

was merely trying to point ot why vettel is being booed.

 

I dont recall even mentioning hamilton so why you compared the trauma of vettels rise to formula1 legend is frankly beyond me.

 

clearly vettel has been carefully crafted by red bull.

 

is vettel the 3rd ever best driver to grace f1? in my opiion and that of many is that as good as he is he isnt THAT good.

 

and perhaps if you cared to watch you would notice that vettel seems to get booed many places - not just great brittain(which is not my background in case you wondered)

 

if you had bothered to actually read my e mail it was in its own wat supportive of vettel in that he is of himself not inherentl bad and he is doing what is in his own best intterests.

 

that you support vettel is fine - but you have to accept that we all form an opiion of the pecking order in f1 for good or  bad and for  many poeple vettel may be in the top handful but many do not believe he is better than the others to the tune of 4 wdc.

 

schumacher people got to watch him thrash crap for years before sweeping all and whether you hated him or not we got to see him busting his all for ferrari to the point of obsession before it came good.

 

what we are talking about is perception - and people are demonstrating their perception

[MarileneRiddle]

You think that people wearing Red Bull Racing gear necessarily means that Vettel's also liked? Seriously?

 

I suggest you look up the phrase 'bandwagon fans'. McLaren has plenty of them, Ferrari too. So does Red Bull, from about 2009.

I am replying to you because you quoted me directly. I used the phrase 'multitudes of blue' because it forms an image that is factual - plenty of Red Bull Racing fans. If you want me to spell out individual Sebastian fans -  the large group in Singapore 2010, 2011 and 2012 with the big Sebastian banner; the Red Bull can guys with a Sebastian banner in Suzuka (I clearly remember in 2011, but it may also be in 2012 as well); the 'V-E-T-T-E-L' hats that are common place in India, with T-shirts spelling the same; the gigantic group of Korean fangirls that stayed back to celebrate his victory in 2011/2012 (you can see them in the F1 forum on BBC); the many Chinese people doing the now famous Vettel-finger and wearing Sebastian caps (specifically '1' caps) in China (and the fact that the Chinese broadcaster repeatedly did specials on him every single year, while Hamilton and Alonso only get featured once and Kimi twice).

 

I don't want to turn this into a Sebastian Vettel supporter count thread. But if you want further photographic/video evidence, just PM me.

is not true tho... he is only unpopular with the Ferrari Fans...  he is very popular from what I can see on tumblr, twitter and the like... and the younger the people are the more Seb fans you fine with them Marilene put it nicely earlier in the thread, I couldn't write it better than her

Thank you, Sin. As zachary2142 mentioned (thanks too), it is quite obvious some people like to carry around the mythical unpopularity of Sebastian rather than admit his fanbase may not be as small as they like it.

 

and you accuse them of not being Seb fans exactly why? Just cause you can't accept that Seb got fans too? It's pretty obvious he has fans tho... and many of them!

Just because people that are not his fans boo him doesn't mean he is not popular x.x.... wonder why some people simply don't get it

 

of course not all of them are Seb fans.. however you make it sound like only a minority is

And the precise problem succinctly put. I think you are rather good at making points as well. 

 

I speak for myself (but I think many Vettelians here agree) when I say that Sebastian fans may not number as the most in the world, but we are still quite large in total . Just because we choose to behave well (on-track; on forums there are always trolls, Sebastian-supporting or not) by not booing those we dislike does not mean we don't exist. Now that the 'home ground' of McLaren (Britain) and Ferrari (Italy) is over, you are welcome to see the large amounts of cheers for Sebastian when we get to the fly aways. If you are looking out for boos, prepare to be disappointed. 

[TheMidnight]

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I'm surprised you had the patience to even bother responding to that pile of bait...

 

I stopped reading when he said Lewis blew it in his second year....the year he won his WDC. Hmm.....curious that one!!

 

I really don't get this 'British Media' bias towards Lewis, they virtually hate the bloke and dig and dig at him constantly. Jenson could drop kick a child and they'd still drop to their knees for him. Lewis is virtually despised by the British media, it's only in the past few months (since they've all been proved wrong by his team switch) they've kinda begrudingly moved slightly back towards him.

 

JB's the darling of the Brit media.

Edited by Elissa, 09 September 2013 - 10:40.

[maverick69]

I'm surprised you had the patience to even bother responding to that pile of bait...

 

I stopped reading when he said Lewis blew it in his second year....the year he won his WDC. Hmm.....curious that one!!

 

I really don't get this 'British Media' bias towards Lewis, they virtually hate the bloke and dig and dig at him constantly. Jenson could drop kick a child and they'd still drop to their knees for him. Lewis is virtually despised by the British media, it's only in the past few months (since they've all been proved wrong by his team switch) they've kinda begrudingly moved slightly back towards him.

 

JB's the darling of the Brit media.

 

Lol. Monday morning blues I guess!

[P123]

How about actually telling why that is now.

All we've heard here are so-called reasons that are proving to be no reason at all.

For instance, if the boo'ers would be so upset about ignoring team-orders, Webber would also be booed.

But since he isn't, there is clearly not some higher moral value that Vettel broke that causes the boos.

 

The boo'ers don't care about 'unfair treatment of team-mates', or they would also boo Alonso.

The boo'ers don't care about 'dominant wins', or they would also boo Alonso and Hamilton.

The boo'ers don't care about 'having a fast car all his career' or they would also boo Hamilton.

The boo'ers don't care about 'winning the championship in the fastest car' or they would also boo Alonso and Button.

The boo'ers don't care about 'respect to other drivers' or they would also boo Webber, Alonso, Button, Hamilton, Kimi (etc).

The boo'ers don't care about 'be grateful to your team' or they would also boo Webber, Alonso and Kimi.

etc.

etc.

etc.

 

So what is it then?

What is genuinely uniquely wrong with Vettel that justifies the boos?

Or are you finally going to be man enough to say you don't like him beating your driver and you can't handle that?

 

Yeah.  Boo them all.  Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

 

Nothing is 'unique' to Vettel.  He's just the latest to have some jeers directed his way.  It is nothing new in F1.  The only thing new is the amount of angst and bewilderment over why a sportsperson may receive a negative reaction from a crowd.  Sure, he seems like a nice bloke and generally to the F1 press he is great, but unlike Schumacher he just doesn't seem to have the same level of popular public support.  I'm surprised there is such a reaction to him, but IMO it's the podium interviews and the fact that the drivers can now have direct communication with the crowds that encourages certain elements to vent their feelings.

[maverick69]

Yeah.  Boo them all.  Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

 

Nothing is 'unique' to Vettel.  He's just the latest to have some jeers directed his way.  It is nothing new in F1.  The only thing new is the amount of angst and bewilderment over why a sportsperson may receive a negative reaction from a crowd.  Sure, he seems like a nice bloke and generally to the F1 press he is great, but unlike Schumacher he just doesn't seem to have the same level of popular public support.  I'm surprised there is such a reaction to him, but IMO it's the podium interviews and the fact that the drivers can now have direct communication with the crowds that encourages certain elements to vent their feelings.

 Yep...... And I guess that was Bernie's plan all along!

[Dozer]

How about actually telling why that is now.

 

Or are you finally going to be man enough to say you don't like him beating your driver and you can't handle that?

 

 

I'm confused as to why you responded to my post with that as I haven't and never will boo Vettel (nor any other driver for that matter) neither do I wish him ill-will; I don't know why the crowds are booing

 

I'm content with being a Lewis fan safe in the knowledge i'm watching the fastest driver getting beaten by the fastest car, it's not Vettel's fault he's dominating.

[kimster89]

I think its just funny to watch RBR and Vettel excuses for being booed. Im sure it hurts them really much. After all they are drinks company in the first place and it will be bad for businesses if the drink would start to be unpopular.

[TimRTC]

Funny that people are reacting as though booing is the end of the road for F1, when a few years back British fans were actively cheering a Schumacher injury and Spanish fans making crude racist jibes at Hamilton.

 

It is important to remember that F1 appeals to a mainstream sports audience and not just motorsports fans and particularly in Britain, Italy and Spain there is a strong football heritage where many people are brought up to passionately support a single team and despise others. When these fans watch motor racing they carry over that same passion and single-minded support for their favourite driver or team and naturally would boo someone who was regularly defeating them.

 

Look at the similar displays of passion in MotoGP - at Mugello, Bautista was loudly booed whenever he appeared on screen by the fans at Mugello after he took out Rossi.

[skc]

Considering SV's mentor is none other than Schumi who has had his fair share of getting booed in his career, I'm sure SV doesn't mind it. If anything, it's like a rite of passage. It simply means people are tired of you beating their favorite drivers over and over and over and over again.

[bub]

How about actually telling why that is now.

All we've heard here are so-called reasons that are proving to be no reason at all.

For instance, if the boo'ers would be so upset about ignoring team-orders, Webber would also be booed.

But since he isn't, there is clearly not some higher moral value that Vettel broke that causes the boos.

 

The boo'ers don't care about 'unfair treatment of team-mates', or they would also boo Alonso.

The boo'ers don't care about 'dominant wins', or they would also boo Alonso and Hamilton.

The boo'ers don't care about 'having a fast car all his career' or they would also boo Hamilton.

The boo'ers don't care about 'winning the championship in the fastest car' or they would also boo Alonso and Button.

The boo'ers don't care about 'respect to other drivers' or they would also boo Webber, Alonso, Button, Hamilton, Kimi (etc).

The boo'ers don't care about 'be grateful to your team' or they would also boo Webber, Alonso and Kimi.

etc.

etc.

etc.

 

So what is it then?

What is genuinely uniquely wrong with Vettel that justifies the boos?

Or are you finally going to be man enough to say you don't like him beating your driver and you can't handle that?

 

The boo'ers don't care about 'Vettel beating their drivers' or they would also boo other drivers when they were beating the other drivers?

[tifosiMac]

Funny that people are reacting as though booing is the end of the road for F1, when a few years back British fans were actively cheering a Schumacher injury and Spanish fans making crude racist jibes at Hamilton.

 

I don't think British fans were cheering Schumacher's injury, they were initially cheering that he had gone off. The mood changed somewhat when many realised that he could in fact be seriously injured. Nobody wants to see a driver injured, no matter what their nationality is.

[EthanM]

The boo'ers don't care about 'Vettel beating their drivers' or they would also boo other drivers when they were beating the other drivers?

 

depends on who the booers are.

Most people that beat Ferrari to a win in Monza get booed. Loveable Hamilton even got booed there. Only exception is drivers the tifosi like (they 'd never boo Alesi for example even if he took both Ferraris out in Monza and then went on to win)

other booers boo drivers they perceive as a threat to their favorite. Nobody would boo I don't know Sutil if he won a race tomorrow, he not a threat to anybody. But Alonso fans booed Hamilton, Hamilton fans boo Vettel etc etc.

 

And inspite of it being common, my opinion, boo all you want during the race, but at the podium ceremony you should respect the guys up there. It's basic manners to recognize an achievement. Unless of course the guys up there were running 5lt engines with double turbos and 4WD.

[JHSingo]

When did booing become a criminal offence?

 

When did being disrespectful at a race become acceptable?

 

I think that is a better question.

Edited by JHSingo, 09 September 2013 - 12:05.

[Racer3]

From Seb's body language and facial expression I'd venture to say that this time, contrary to Silverstone, the booing didn't get under his skin *at all*. As with, say, Schumi or Lewis, you can tell when they are really happy and when not, and you could see Seb really savoured his win yesterday in spite of the booing.

Edited by Racer3, 09 September 2013 - 12:11.

[Sin]

From Seb's body language and facial expression I'd venture to say that this time, contrary to Silverstone, the booing didn't get under his skin *at all*. As with, say, Schumi or Lewis, you can tell when they are really happy and when not, and you could see Seb really savoured his win yesterday in spite of he booing.

That's right I haven't seen him beaming like that in a while....

 

I think he doesn't mind Ferrari fans booing him... that's why Silverstone was so different , cause it weren't the Ferrari fans that booed him but the whole crowd that cheered for his car breaking down....

 

it kinda reminded me a little of the video I saw from when Schumi had his crash in Silverstone (was that 1999?), where the crowd cheered as well at first.... till they noticed Schumi wasn't moving

Edited by Sin, 09 September 2013 - 12:12.

[DampMongoose]

When did being disrespectful at a race become acceptable?

 

I think that is a better question.

 

The disrespect began at races when Senna and Schumacher started the now common practices of 'defending' by changing lines on straights and running into people who don't give them a corner that they can't make without the other drivers backing off.  When the drivers lose any gentlemanly conduct it's easy to see the fans following suit.  It's changed a bit as time has gone on from when people showed their appreciation for Schumacher by clapping without their hands making contact to the booing we have now.  Probably more from frustration at the lack of actual racing than any real animosity.

[Coops3]

How about actually telling why that is now.

All we've heard here are so-called reasons that are proving to be no reason at all.

For instance, if the boo'ers would be so upset about ignoring team-orders, Webber would also be booed.

But since he isn't, there is clearly not some higher moral value that Vettel broke that causes the boos.

 

The boo'ers don't care about 'unfair treatment of team-mates', or they would also boo Alonso.

The boo'ers don't care about 'dominant wins', or they would also boo Alonso and Hamilton.

The boo'ers don't care about 'having a fast car all his career' or they would also boo Hamilton.

The boo'ers don't care about 'winning the championship in the fastest car' or they would also boo Alonso and Button.

The boo'ers don't care about 'respect to other drivers' or they would also boo Webber, Alonso, Button, Hamilton, Kimi (etc).

The boo'ers don't care about 'be grateful to your team' or they would also boo Webber, Alonso and Kimi.

etc.

etc.

etc.

 

So what is it then?

What is genuinely uniquely wrong with Vettel that justifies the boos?

Or are you finally going to be man enough to say you don't like him beating your driver and you can't handle that?

Your argument seems to assume that there can be one and only one reason.

[EvanRainer]

Your argument seems to assume that there can be one and only one reason.

That's not at all the argument he is making