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[kenkip]

So with eight world championships to show,Redbull have been simply mind blowing over the last four seasons.So,quite simply,which has been the best Redbull so far?






RB6:although it was the class of the field,this particular car was the most unreliable of the four and that cost RBR a lot of points.According to Seb this is the best Redbull he has driven and I remember the down force levels it was producing was miles beyond any other team.Rookie mistakes from both Vettel and Webber together with unreliability stopped them from dominating 2010.





RB7:Even though Vettel blasted the field to smithereens in 2011,many pundits believe at very many races that year,especially in race trim,the Maclaren was at least as fast and in some races (Suzuka,Spain)faster than the Redbull.Luckily(or unluckily)lewis hamilton was suffering a midlife crisis that year and I believe a 2012 lewis would have taken the fight to Seb.The RB7 though was very reliable,probably the most reliable car RBR has ever produced and coupled with Seb's understanding of Pirrelis led to domination of the year.





RB8:A very strange car this one.The new regulations on off throttle blowing led it being an odinary car in some races.What was strange was in some races it could only manage 5th or 6th,(Malasyia,China)and in others it was winning races (Baharain,Silverstone) or lapping cars a second a lap (Valencia).The RB8 was realy poor in the low downforce races but Adrian Newey discovered something in the Asian leg that led to domination even though the Maclaren wins in USA and Interlagos meant that the pendulum swung back to them.Don't forget this car was unreliable also so overall,IMO it was a 'poor effort' from the very,very high standards of RBR.




RB9:Struggled with the cheese tyres early on in the season but overall I think Redbull had a quick car out of the box and continuous development has led to a dominant car.Its negative points are unreliability really.11 wins so far is pretty ominous.





So,all in all,I will give the RB9,closely followed by the RB7.How about you?

[Lights]

The RB9 because it has no weaknesses except for not being able to handle a particular type of Pirelli tires very well at the start of the season because the car was just so awesome that it put more load on them that they could handle. But it's the first Red Bull able to dominate on any type of track, while in previous years Red Bull struggled to adapt to tracks like Spa and Monza.

[Jamiednm]

The RB6 was an absolute monster, if it wasn't so unreliable, 2010 wouldn't have been the classic Championship season that it ultimately was. But, as reliability is a key part to a cars performance, you'd have to say it's between the RB7 and RB9. I think the mid to late season domination of the RB9 is down to the renault engine (RB and Lotus have both made strides, probably down to Renault engine mapping), so I would say that the RB7 was the most untouchable of the last 4 Red Bulls. Wrapping up the WDC in pretty much the first 7 races means it takes the win for me.

[grichka]

It's between RB7 and RB9, but I choose RB9, because in the case of Rb7 it was all about blown diffuser while in the case of RB9 there is some mystery behind this car - no one really fully understands where the trick is.

[st99]

The fastest car compared to the rest was the RB6 but overall I would say the best was the RB7 because it was the most reliable (KERS issues aside) and it was fast in all tracks. 

 

RB5 - 6 wins (4 VET- 2 WEB)

RB6 - 9 wins (5 VET- 4 WEB)

RB7 - 12 wins (11 VET- 1 WEB)

RB8 - 7 wins (5 VET - 2 WEB)

RB9 - 11 wins (11 VET)

 

I just realised doing this that Vettel has more wins in this season alone than Webber in his entire career o.O

 

In terms of wins, the RB9 will probably end the season with more than the RB7 but it wasn't the best all year although it was always there (at least VET).

[Baddoer]

F2004

[Rinehart]

So with eight world championships to show,Redbull have been simply mind blowing over the last four seasons.So,quite simply,which has been the best Redbull so far?






RB6:although it was the class of the field,this particular car was the most unreliable of the four and that cost RBR a lot of points.According to Seb this is the best Redbull he has driven and I remember the down force levels it was producing was miles beyond any other team.Rookie mistakes from both Vettel and Webber together with unreliability stopped them from dominating 2010.





RB7:Even though Vettel blasted the field to smithereens in 2011,many pundits believe at very many races that year,especially in race trim,the Maclaren was at least as fast and in some races (Suzuka,Spain)faster than the Redbull.Luckily(or unluckily)lewis hamilton was suffering a midlife crisis that year and I believe a 2012 lewis would have taken the fight to Seb.The RB7 though was very reliable,probably the most reliable car RBR has ever produced and coupled with Seb's understanding of Pirrelis led to domination of the year.





RB8:A very strange car this one.The new regulations on off throttle blowing led it being an odinary car in some races.What was strange was in some races it could only manage 5th or 6th,(Malasyia,China)and in others it was winning races (Baharain,Silverstone) or lapping cars a second a lap (Valencia).The RB8 was realy poor in the low downforce races but Adrian Newey discovered something in the Asian leg that led to domination even though the Maclaren wins in USA and Interlagos meant that the pendulum swung back to them.Don't forget this car was unreliable also so overall,IMO it was a 'poor effort' from the very,very high standards of RBR.




RB9:Struggled with the cheese tyres early on in the season but overall I think Redbull had a quick car out of the box and continuous development has led to a dominant car.Its negative points are unreliability really.11 wins so far is pretty ominous.





So,all in all,I will give the RB9,closely followed by the RB7.How about you?

 

It should be 5 doubles in a row but in 2009 Vettel crashed out in Australia, Malaysia and Hungary, the team was penalised in Malaysia and Singapore and mistakes in Turkey and Brazil. RB5 should be added.

 

Best car I think is this one, now. The RB11 in Sebs hands is basically unbeatable. 

[ArkZ]

RB7 I guess. Simpy Vettel lowest position 4th (only once) and even very underperforming Webber that season went no lower that 5th.

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RB7 was most reliable, although on raw race pace RB9 clear the rest.

Edited by ArkZ, 07 November 2013 - 13:53.

[sopa]

RB7 I guess. Simpy Vettel lowest position 4th (only once) and even very underperforming Webber that season went no lower that 5th.

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12/19 Wins

10/19 FL

 

Good call about pole positions. This is where RB9 won't get close to RB7.

 

I don't think RB6 was that good. It was struggling on some circuits, like Canada or Monza. Or in the wet in China. Both RB7 and RB9 are more complete even though it has taken more time for RB9 to unlock its potential properly.

[Atreiu]

I still think it was the RB6, despite Vettel's much more impressive 2011 and 2013 campaigns. He simply was much less consistent back then.

Edited by Atreiu, 07 November 2013 - 15:14.

[Jon83]

I'd possibly say their 2010 car in that it had great qualifying and race pace compared to everyone else. The 2011 car was totally dominant but some of the races were very close.

 

The 2013 car since mid-season has been right up there as well though and all things being equal, may be the best.

 

Pretty obvious that I cannot decide!

[bourbon]

RB7

[Disgrace]

Pretty obviously the RB9. Equipped with tyres that could take the car's aero load all season, Vettel could have won upwards of 16 or so races. The fact that this is occurring during the last season of the contemporary set of regulations is nothing short of astounding.

Edited by Disgrace, 07 November 2013 - 16:21.

[Diablobb81]

Over an entire season RB7.

 

But for only part of the season than the RB9 is a monster.

[Kingshark]

1. RB7

Absolutely dominant, bar a few weekends where McLaren could match them. Bulletproof reliability and bloody fast on every track from Monza to Singapore.

 

2. RB9

The season started off slow with some mediocre performances in Australia, China, and Spain. However, once they got over the Pirelli tyre dilemma, they utterly dominated the 2nd half of the 2013 season.

 

3. RB6

A class of the field in terms of raw pace, but reliability made the championship closer than it should have been.

 

4. RB8

A step below McLaren in raw speed, though faster than Ferrari in that aspect. More reliable than McLaren, but not as reliable as Ferrari. Overall, probably the best car of 2012.

 

5. RB5

On par with Brawn in terms of raw pace throughout 2009, but reliability ultimately cost it.

[garagetinkerer]

RB6... for the simple reason that both drivers were able to get the most out of it. Even though it was an unreliable hastily put together kit, it still managed to get both drivers in contention till the last race of the championship.

 

RB7... Vettel scored 130+ points more than Webber

 

RB8... Vettel scored 100+ points more than Webber

RB9... Vettel has scored 181 points more than Webber as yet, and there's two more races to go.

 

RB6!

Edited by garagetinkerer, 07 November 2013 - 17:50.

[garagetinkerer]

1. RB7

Absolutely dominant, bar a few weekends where McLaren could match them. Bulletproof reliability and bloody fast on every track from Monza to Singapore.

 

2. RB9

The season started off slow with some mediocre performances in Australia, China, and Spain. However, once they got over the Pirelli tyre dilemma, they utterly dominated the 2nd half of the 2013 season.

 

3. RB6

A class of the field in terms of raw pace, but reliability made the championship closer than it should have been.

 

4. RB8

A step below McLaren in raw speed, though faster than Ferrari in that aspect. More reliable than McLaren, but not as reliable as Ferrari. Overall, probably the best car of 2012.

 

5. RB5

On par with Brawn in terms of raw pace throughout 2009, but reliability ultimately cost it.

Mechanically RBR had more problems, but yes, McLaren as a team sucked hard.

[DutchQuicksilver]

Without doubt the RB7. It was dominant for the whole season, whilst the RB9 only after the summer break with new tyres really.

[KingTiger]

RB9, 7 and 6 were all very dominant. By far the best cars on the grid on most tracks. 

 

RB8 wasn't as fast but Whitmarsh' horrible managerial skills made sure RB won both championships easily. 

[Spillage]

RB7 for me, although its very interesting that in the two seasons Vettel has been the most dominant, Webber has been the furthest from his pace. On that basis one could argue that the RB6 was the best car as both drivers were able to have a title tilt in it. 

 

I do find the question quite difficult to answer, however, because since 2010 Vettel has been getting better while Webber has been on a decline. On the whole, however, in 2011 the RB7 looked good throughout the season, whereas there were several races early in this season where RB were simply beaten for pace.

[apoka]

Best car I think is this one, now. The RB11 in Sebs hands is basically unbeatable. 

 

I agree - no other car has won a race in 2015 yet.

[KingTiger]

RB7 for me, although its very interesting that in the two seasons Vettel has been the most dominant, Webber has been the furthest from his pace. On that basis one could argue that the RB6 was the best car as both drivers were able to have a title tilt in it. 

 

I do find the question quite difficult to answer, however, because since 2010 Vettel has been getting better while Webber has been on a decline. On the whole, however, in 2011 the RB7 looked good throughout the season, whereas there were several races early in this season where RB were simply beaten for pace.

 

I think that has been because Red Bull have slowly gotten the car closer to Vettel's preference and away from Webber's. When there have been big changes, like exhausts in the beginning of 2012, the car has come closer to Webber's preference and it's taken them a while to get it back to what Vettel wants. 

[George Costanza]

RB7 by far....

[sennafan24]

I will go RB 7, mainly due to a interview I heard from Webber lately, and a few personal observations.

 

They asked Webber on Sky about 2011 and he said he had trouble with the tyres that year, he dismissed it as a horrible year in terms of performance. Webber came 3rd in the standings, beating Alonso, Hamilton and Massa. The only non-RB driver to beat him was Button, he had a career year.

 

If Webber was that far off par, and entering his decline by his own admission, then that shows that how good the RB was that year.

 

In 2012, the RB8 was a monster after Monza time, but could be inconsistent at times, and it somewhat exposed Seb for the first third of 2012 when he failed to beat Webber at times, it showed that Seb still had to mature as a driver in certain areas, which he has done in 2013.

 

This years car was inconsistent early on as well, it was a game of tyres until the 2nd half where RB got the advantage in their favor. 2010 the car was inconsistent in reliability, as noted above.

 

2011 was by no means the perfect car, it needed a good qualifier for clean air, or so the technical theory goes that I have read that it may have been hard to overtake in that car. I believe Lewis, Alonso and Kimi version 2005 would have the pace to put it on pole as much as Seb, maybe other drivers as well (Lewis still did alright in qualifying in 2011, most of his troubles came from collisions in races, hence why I named him btw)

 

I am sure other drivers would have had the pace as well. That year Seb proved he was a very good qualifier though, and quick on merit, so its not like a chimp could have driven in to victory like some think.

Edited by sennafan24, 08 November 2013 - 00:37.

[Exb]

hmmm tough question - I think not the RB8. In my opinion McLaren had a faster car over the course of last year but bad luck and team errors took them out of the fight. Possibly the RB6 as its the only year Webber has managed to challenge for the title, it would be interesting to see what Vettel of today could do in that car as he made a few errors back then and is a much better driver now. RB7 was very good all round but again the McLaren was very close at times whereas the RB9 since mid-season has been on a totally different level, with no other team able to challenge, although it may be flattered by the fact the other teams stopped developing their cars earlier to get a head start on next year. On current form I'll go for the RB9 as its just untouchable for the competition.

[Cenotaph]

RB7, it was just better the whole season in all conditions, which isn't really true for any of the others. McLaren was close and/or marginally better at times but that was it.

Edited by Cenotaph, 08 November 2013 - 02:21.

[priestlysabbath]

RB7 is miles ahead of competition, surprisingly Webber's car also is part of "the rest".

[EricSivry]

The RB9 because it has no weaknesses except for not being able to handle a particular type of Pirelli tires very well at the start of the season because the car was just so awesome that it put more load on them that they could handle. But it's the first Red Bull able to dominate on any type of track, while in previous years Red Bull struggled to adapt to tracks like Spa and Monza.

 

RB7 was dominant in Spa (1-2 finish) and Monza (Vettel beat everyone easily, while we don't know about Webber because he crashed with Massa).

 

[EricSivry]

I'd possibly say their 2010 car in that it had great qualifying and race pace compared to everyone else. The 2011 car was totally dominant but some of the races were very close.

 

The 2013 car since mid-season has been right up there as well though and all things being equal, may be the best.

 

Pretty obvious that I cannot decide!

 

Hungary 2010 - i think this was the most dominant one team has been (in terms of outright pace, both qualifying and the race) during this era.

[Jon83]

Hungary 2010 - i think this was the most dominant one team has been (in terms of outright pace, both qualifying and the race) during this era.

 

Yeah that was actually the 2010 race which sprung to mind!

[MikeV1987]

Voted RB7 overall, although it was closely matched by McLaren.

[joshb]

let's not forget the RB9 wasn't even the fastest nor the best race car for a good 1/2 of the year (although it was possibly the most consistent). Recent races in particular have been incrediible for the RB9 with amazing pace. Seb used to win by 10 secs- now he's had 3 25+ second wins in 5 races

[joshb]

Tough call to say best.

Relatively, RB6 was fastest but unreliable

RB7 was reliable and a bit quicker than Mclaren

RB8 was not the quickest nor the most reliable

RB9 was consistent, then dominant (and reliable in Seb's hands generally)

[Boxerevo]

RB6 was a monster in terms of speed,we were still in Bridgestone era and that Red Bull was crazy fast...everybody was pushing 100% back then.

 

For sure is between RB7  and this RB9 in overall terms.

 

RB7 got all poles except one.

 

RB9 maybe is the overall best car,no weakness.

Edited by Boxerevo, 08 November 2013 - 18:34.

[sennafan24]

 

RB8 was not the quickest nor the most reliable

 

Just so we are clear

 

Both are true,  but over different cars

 

The McLaren was less reliable in the sense of team pit stops and hindering weekends (Lewis had a anti roll failure and suspension problems in Korea and Japan that ruined both of his weekends for example) , but half the weekends of the year the Mclaren was as fast if not faster than the RB 8. Mechanical failures happened to McLaren in worse positions, like Singapore and Abu Dhabi for Lewis, and Monza for Button. Only Valencia did a RB retire from the lead.

 

The Ferrari was slower most weekends, but more reliable. You could argue that the RB8 was a tad more consistent, or that Alonso was the variable that made it a tad more consistent, whatever your preference is.

 

I still say over the year, the RB 8 was the best car, even if there was a car as quick and another as reliable. The only argument against is that the McLaren was close to it in terms of the actual car, but the team messed up with errors too often.

[EricSivry]

People say RB6 was unreliable. As far as i remeber, Webber had no problems, Vetel had 2 DNFs, and a couple of other problems in Bahrain and Barcelona which lost him a few places.

 

RB9 already has 3 DNFs, plus numerous KERS problems for Webber. Yet alot on here say RB6 was quick but unreliable while RB9 has no weaknesses.

[sennafan24]

People say RB6 was unreliable. As far as i remeber, Webber had no problems, Vetel had 2 DNFs, and a couple of other problems in Bahrain and Barcelona which lost him a few places.

 

RB9 already has 3 DNFs, plus numerous KERS problems for Webber. Yet alot on here say RB6 was quick but unreliable while RB9 has no weaknesses.

I have to give credit to MnRacer (I think) who noted that Vettel has actually had more Kers problems than Webber this year, or close to equal. Its just that Webber's are highlighted more for various reasons.

 

The RB6 is probably remembered as unreliable as it cost Vettel big points from what I remember, its like what I said about the RB 8 vs McLaren in 2012, the DNF's mechanically were quite equal, but the ones to McLaren cost a lot more, and they had more internal mistakes elsewhere. Same rule applies to the RB 6, Seb lost points from fruitful places so its remembered more for being unreliable.

[ClubmanGT]

The one where the front wing was dragging along the ground but apparently not flexing. That one.

[MP422]

RB7 was incredible. RB9 is extremely impressive as well too.

[Kelateboy]

RB9 - The best particularly after the summer break

RB7 - Notched a great number of wins but in some of those wins, other cars were faster on race trims.

RB6 - A monster, but could not compare to RB7 and RB9 because of reliability issues

RB8 - Affected by the loss of EBD, and the fact that their exhaust solution was banned prior to 2012 winter testing. Started the season on the back-foot.

[AvranaKern]

From the cars that followed, raw statistics suggest the pick of the litter is 2011's RB7. Eighteen pole positions, a dozen victories and the crushing ease with which it dispatched the competition recommend it. But there are many senior voices within the organisation who whisper that the RB6 was, in fact, the better machine.

 

State the question baldly and there's a lot of awkward shuffling, but in private it's the RB6 that usually gets the nod. It was more reliable than the complicated KERS-equipped RB7, easier to work on, and predictable in its responses to set-up changes (thanks perhaps to the docility of Bridgestone's final-year tyres in comparison to the caprices of the Pirellis that followed). It's also the car that gave Red Bull their first championships. And you always remember your first with affection.

 

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