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[jedioriginal]

I will not address any of your other "points", because they contained no substance, but I will adress this one. Name the seasons where vettel drove better than Alonso did in 2005.

Last 4 seasons

[jedioriginal]

Alonso, but who's failure/fault is it to not deliver a sustained championship capable car in the 4 years he's been at Ferrari?


Still don't see it as marginally better but I guess that's a matter of opinion then.


Hamilton as far I can see only made one mistake in Valencia and that was fighting too hard against Pastor... Other than he drove well and only the reliability and team operations held Lewis from winning the title.

Out of last 4 years,in atleast 2 Ferrari has been good enough to win wdc without driver mistakes.

Edited by jedioriginal, 24 November 2013 - 18:44.

[seahawk]

If youi can only win the WDC if the driver delivers absolute perfection, while the other car aloows for errors, I would not say good enough.

[sennafan24]

Last 4 seasons

Really?

 

2013 stacks up to Alonso's 2005, and maybe just about beats it.

 

But 2009-2012?, I have to say 

[Boxerevo]

Out of last 4 years,in atleast 2 Ferrari has been good enough to win wdc without driver mistakes.

Edited by Boxerevo, 24 November 2013 - 18:50.

[Borko]

Out of last 4 years,in atleast 2 Ferrari has been good enough to win wdc without driver mistakes.

Yeah, if he drove flawless season. On the other hand, Vettel was able to afford a few crashes and other mistakes, like in Hungary, his car was dominant enough to allow him that.

[krea]

Vettel's last crash with DNF was over 4 years ago (Turkey 2010). Talking about crashing and making mistakes.

 

Using Hungary as example is pretty forced. He hit the same problems as Webber when he is stuck behind a car - the car loses too much speed in dirty air. And it even ignores the fact that he could put two faster Lotus cars behind him in Germany. But hey let's cherrypicking nonsense.

[Radion]

I will not address any of your other "points", because they contained no substance, but I will adress this one. Name the seasons where vettel drove better than Alonso did in 2005.

Alonso made a mistake in Canada in 05. As far as I can remember, Vettel didn't do any mistakesin in this years races, did he?

Btw, I don't think alonso's 05 season was so special, I rate his 06 one higher...

[Borko]

Vettel's last crash with DNF was over 4 years ago (Turkey 2010). Talking about crashing and making mistakes.

 

Using Hungary as example is pretty forced. He hit the same problems as Webber when he is stuck behind a car - the car loses too much speed in dirty air. And it even ignores the fact that he could put two faster Lotus cars behind him in Germany. But hey let's cherrypicking nonsense.

I am sorry, I forgot to say I was talking just about 2010 season.

[Kingshark]

Vettel is now the undisputed reference in the grid, both by current performance and by long term performance. Alonso can´t digest that one it seems.

 

He shouldn´t say anything about Vettel, because in the end Vettel got 4 times the best car of the grid and he´s 4 times WDC. That´s something the rest of top drivers can´t say. 

 

- Alonso threw away a chance in the best car in 2007.

- Räikkönen threw away a chance in the best car in 2008.

- Hamilton threw away a chance in the best car in 2007.

 

Yes, these were not dominant cars, but marginally best cars, ala Vettel in 2010 and 2012. But Vettel won these two. Vettel has nothing to prove by now. 

 

Vettel had the best car in 2009. Brawn were only really faster until Turkey (apart from China, where Red Bull were faster). Then, Silverstone-onwards Red Bull was clearly the car to have for the rest of the season. RBR had a better car than Brawn in 10 races versus 7.

 

Vettel only finished 11 points behind Button in 2009, despite losing 16-18 points in races such as Australia, Malaysia, Monaco, Turkey, and Singapore due to his own mistakes.

 

Vettel is no more "perfect" than any of the other top few drivers.

[SophieB]

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