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#1 JeePee

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 14:56

This guy (son of ex-F1 Driver Jos Verstappen) deserves some attention here. He just turned 16 years old, but this kid is definitely something else.

 

In 2005 at the age of 7 he begins karting in the Belgium MiniClass Championship. He wins it. In the year following he drives the same class again. Dry races, wet races... it doesn't matter. 21 Races, 21 Wins.

In 2007 he enters the Rotax Max Mini class. 18 Races. 18 Wins.

In 2008 (10 years old) he enters 3 championships: Rotax Max Mini class: 18 Races, 16 wins. BeNeLux chamionship (Rotax Max Mini): 12 races, 11 wins. Cadetclass: 11 races, 11 wins.

Because of his age he is not allowed to go to faster classes, so in 2009 he drives the same championships as in 2008. 42 Races. 39 Wins. 3 Championship titles.

In 2010 he is 12 years old and allowed to go international. He drives multiple series in the KF3 class as a works driver for CRG and becomes European Champion.

In 2011 he drives the same championships as before (again age won't allow him to go higher up) and is again crowned EU Champ, dispite missing a weekend because of a back injury.

In 2012 he enters the KF2, KF1 and KZ2 (manual gearbox) classes. He shows amazing speed, but fails to deliver results with lots of mechanical issues and crashes.

2013 Is a different story however. He becomes World Champion in the KZ and European Champion in both KZ and KF. He wins almost everything he enters.

 

Now being quick in a kart doesn't always mean you're quick in a racecar as well, that's always something that has to be seen.

And so he went testing a Formula Renault 2.0 at the age of 15 (and later 16) a few times last month.

 

First he drives some privat tests for Manor GP and Koiranen. He goes quicker than any (experienced) driver ever did for those teams. Then he enters tests where other (more experienced) drivers participate in:

 

Hungaroring:

28/29 okt 2013: 1st (Breaks the official lap record)

 

Spa-Francorchamps (wet):

04 nov 2013: 1st

05 nov 2013: 1st

 

Circuit de Catalunya:

12 nov 2013: 1st

13 nov 2013: 1st. (Breaks the official lap record)

 

He will enter the FR2.0 championship next year, but it's still unknown with what team. He is not in any kind of 'talent program', so he's a free man.

 

This CV at the age of 15/16 is unknown. I'm really excited to see what he'll do in the FR2.0 next year.

As a Dutchman I hope he has more luck getting sponsorships than Frijns has. But if there's one guy who can win the FR2.0 and FR3.5 titles on the throt like Frijns did, it's gotta be Max.


Edited by JeePee, 15 December 2013 - 23:33.


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#2 Disgrace

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 15:01

Bring on the son of Frans.



#3 Acathla

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 15:03

He hasn't punched people as of yet? 



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 15:40

I was always a fan of Jos (despite his off-track problems), so I'd be very happy to see his son do well and fulfil his potential in such a way that Jos arguably didn't.

It would be especially gratifying to see the Verstappen and Magnussen names battling at the front of the field in five years' time.

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 15:42

Let's perhaps judge Max for who he is and not for his father.



#6 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 15:48

The only thing going which could help Max, that Frijns doesn't have, is his father being an ex F1 driver, and a pretty popular one as well. I believe Jos was very close to Schumacher when it comes to racing in the rain. I still remember races like Canada 2000 and Malaysia 2001 for example.


Edited by DutchQuicksilver, 24 November 2013 - 15:48.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 15:54

DutchQuicksilver, on 24 Nov 2013 - 15:48, said:

The only thing going which could help Max, that Frijns doesn't have, is his father being an ex F1 driver, and a pretty popular one as well. I believe Jos was very close to Schumacher when it comes to racing in the rain. I still remember races like Canada 2000 and Malaysia 2001 for example.

 

Yes, so far, I think Frijns has had terrible management. I don't Verstappen is rich enough to buy Max a seat into GP3 or GP2, let alone F1, but he'll probably be experienced and smart enough to do it without much money. Also, with that surname, Max is already a bit popular in the Netherlands.



#8 Francesc

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 17:44

The son of Jos the Boss.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 18:58

midgrid, on 24 Nov 2013 - 15:40, said:

I was always a fan of Jos (despite his off-track problems), so I'd be very happy to see his son do well and fulfil his potential in such a way that Jos arguably didn't.

It would be especially gratifying to see the Verstappen and Magnussen names battling at the front of the field in five years' time.

Maybe Schumacher's son will be there too in 5 years time :p



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 19:15

Jackmancer, on 24 Nov 2013 - 15:54, said:

Yes, so far, I think Frijns has had terrible management. I don't Verstappen is rich enough to buy Max a seat into GP3 or GP2, let alone F1, but he'll probably be experienced and smart enough to do it without much money. Also, with that surname, Max is already a bit popular in the Netherlands.

Frijns' management consisted of Walter Heinz. The only manager not to secure a deal with McLaren, Ferrari and Red Bull in one season for Hulkenberg. ;)



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 19:31

Frijns and Max are the biggest talents we (dutchies) have had in a long time. at least i think so. Just hope Frijns can race something next year be it gp2, Indy or whatever. Very curious as to max in fr2.0 next year.


Still no guarantee for f1 ( remember jos was the hottest property in 1993) but looking great so far!

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 20:23

Jos the Boss was always pretty good at squeezing sponsorship out of Philips and other Dutch companies, so he might manage to secure some funding deals for Max.  Max Verstappen has one of the most impressive karting records in recent years, and his testing has shown a lot of promise.  I hope he continues to deliver.



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Posted 29 November 2013 - 12:52

Jos the Boss.

 

Max the Axe?



#14 basjaski

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 14:17

Jos showed glimpses of brilliance back in the day, but never a proper drive. He's a bit of a t..t though. 

 

I hope Max will be able to continue his string of success and become the first seriously talented Dutch open wheel driver, with success in F1. As a Dutchman I never really have anyone to cheer for (Yelling GO ALBERS!!! is quite embarrasing, of course...;)). 



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 06:59

What an incredible CV, i will watch with much interest.



#16 aray

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 07:11

Jos himself had incredible junior level CV...hope his son will make it in F1 in 3-4 years time.... :up:



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 11:58

He's just turned 16 guys, ease down. We all know what happened when Jos was pushed into F1 too soon. I hope those Limburgers learned from it, could be a costly mistake if they didn't.



#18 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 12:19

Doesn't matter. The Dutch, god bless them, are pretty intense about supporting their home drivers. And Verstappen takes it to a whole other level.



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 22:34

Max went 2nd fastest in today's Jerez test in a field of around 40 cars (FR2.0)

Quickest driver for Kaufmann Racing, 2 tenth faster than the other two drivers.

 

Spoiler

 

Source: verstappen.nl

 

Next week he'll try a step higher and test a Formula 3 car for Team Motopark at Valancia.



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#20 P0inters

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 22:47

Holy **** that's impressive. By far the most impressive driver I've seen at his age. :clap:



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 23:04

I couldn't help but notice Gounon and Panis Jrs in that list as well. :)



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 23:06

Just to clarify an incorrect fact in the original post. While he is definitely the real deal he definitely isn't the 2013 KF World Karting Champion. That accolade went to British driver Tom Joyner who beat him.


Edited by rhukkas, 15 December 2013 - 23:06.


#23 JeePee

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 23:38

rhukkas, on 15 Dec 2013 - 23:06, said:

Just to clarify an incorrect fact in the original post. While he is definitely the real deal he definitely isn't the 2013 KF World Karting Champion. That accolade went to British driver Tom Joyner who beat him.

 

You're right. World champ in KZ and EU camp in KZ and KF. Corrected it!


Edited by JeePee, 15 December 2013 - 23:38.


#24 teejay

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 00:31

At least you know he will know how to fight to the front.



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 09:51

JeePee, on 15 Dec 2013 - 22:34, said:

Max went 2nd fastest in today's Jerez test in a field of around 40 cars (FR2.0)

Quickest driver for Kaufmann Racing, 2 tenth faster than the other two drivers.

 

 

I count just 16 drivers. Are there details of all 40 drivers?



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 12:10

HistoryFan, on 16 Dec 2013 - 09:51, said:

I count just 16 drivers. Are there details of all 40 drivers?

I guess it was 40 drivers over the test, a bit of a misleading sentence.

 

He has an incredible record so far and his little time in cars looks very very promising. How many drivers go straight into the EuroCup field and look that quick? Wow.



#27 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 12:19

He's been doing a decent amount of testing over the summer. I don't know how that compares to a normal rookie, but he's not lacking seat time in those cars.



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 12:49

Ross Stonefeld, on 16 Dec 2013 - 12:19, said:

He's been doing a decent amount of testing over the summer. I don't know how that compares to a normal rookie, but he's not lacking seat time in those cars.

 

I take your point, to still be quicker than drivers like Steijn Schothorst, Matt Parry and Jack Aitken though; it's impressive even in testing.



#29 William Hunt

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 14:25

Great, the son of a wife beater. I know it's not Max fault but I don't like all the freaky psycho stuff Jos did in his private life.


Edited by William Hunt, 16 December 2013 - 14:25.


#30 rjsports

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 14:44

So why point it out? This topic is about the start of Max's career.


Edited by rjsports, 16 December 2013 - 14:45.


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Posted 16 December 2013 - 18:11

I think indeed that we have to neglect facts about Jos Verstappens personal life.

 

However, we can't leave Jos Verstappen the driver out of the picture in assessing if Max is going to be really that good. Jos is Max manager and mentor. I don't have much trust in Jos capabilities in that field.

 

To be clear: I followed Jos his career from his incredible Formula Ford debut at Zandvoort (testing in a year old FF he drove so fast that the timekeepers were checking their equipment), and I always thought: here's a guy who needs a very, very good advisor in his way to the top. Otherwise he is going to self destruct. I think Jos had all the talent to make it big in F1. But he is just not that clever, (sorry Jos... and Frans!) has an ego as big as Limburg, and is as stubborn as only as people in Limburg are.

 

I don't know Max, I've never met him personally, perhaps he is different than his father...  recently read an interview with Jos and Max, and Jos kept saying that he wants Max to learn from his (Jos his) mistakes. But both son and father give me the same impression: stubborn, and with an air of entitlement to success. 

 

That does not bode well...



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 20:00

JeePee, on 24 Nov 2013 - 14:56, said:

This guy (son of ex-F1 Driver Jos Verstappen) deserves some attention here. He just turned 16 years old, but this kid is definitely something else.

 

In 2005 at the age of 7 he begins karting in the Belgium MiniClass Championship. He wins it. In the year following he drives the same class again. Dry races, wet races... it doesn't matter. 21 Races, 21 Wins.

In 2007 he enters the Rotax Max Mini class. 18 Races. 18 Wins.

In 2008 (10 years old) he enters 3 championships: Rotax Max Mini class: 18 Races, 16 wins. BeNeLux chamionship (Rotax Max Mini): 12 races, 11 wins. Cadetclass: 11 races, 11 wins.

Because of his age he is not allowed to go to faster classes, so in 2009 he drives the same championships as in 2008. 42 Races. 39 Wins. 3 Championship titles.

In 2010 he is 12 years old and allowed to go international. He drives multiple series in the KF3 class as a works driver for CRG and becomes European Champion.

In 2011 he drives the same championships as before (again age won't allow him to go higher up) and is again crowned EU Champ, dispite missing a weekend because of a back injury.

In 2012 he enters the KF2, KF1 and KZ2 (manual gearbox) classes. He shows amazing speed, but fails to deliver results with lots of mechanical issues and crashes.

2013 Is a different story however. He becomes World Champion in the KZ and European Champion in both KZ and KF. He wins almost everything he enters.

 

Now being quick in a kart doesn't always mean you're quick in a racecar as well, that's always something that has to be seen.

And so he went testing a Formula Renault 2.0 at the age of 15 (and later 16) a few times last month.

 

First he drives some privat tests for Manor GP and Koiranen. He goes quicker than any (experienced) driver ever did for those teams. Then he enters tests where other (more experienced) drivers participate in:

 

Hungaroring:

28/29 okt 2013: 1st (Breaks the official lap record)

 

Spa-Francorchamps (wet):

04 nov 2013: 1st

05 nov 2013: 1st

 

Circuit de Catalunya:

12 nov 2013: 1st

13 nov 2013: 1st. (Breaks the official lap record)

 

He will enter the FR2.0 championship next year, but it's still unknown with what team. He is not in any kind of 'talent program', so he's a free man.

 

This CV at the age of 15/16 is unknown. I'm really excited to see what he'll do in the FR2.0 next year.

As a Dutchman I hope he has more luck getting sponsorships than Frijns has. But if there's one guy who can win the FR2.0 and FR3.5 titles on the throt like Frijns did, it's gotta be Max.

 

 

So the real deal, in other words. 

 

Impressive CV - I do hope, that Max has not also the same flamboyant temperament that has brought his father into trouble (with the police) time and again.

 

Where could Max drive in 2015/2016?



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:37

Live timing of 'his' F3-test:

 

http://www.circuitva.../live/index.htm



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:46

LarsB, on 18 Dec 2013 - 09:37, said:

Live timing of 'his' F3-test:

 

http://www.circuitva.../live/index.htm

 

Haha, 1st at the moment. I did not expect to see that :p



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:48

He's out of this world! Good genes, his mother is also a former kartingchamp.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:57

Just a test, but seriously that's impressive. Blomqvist, Auer and King aren't slow drivers..

 

 

..It's like he's going through the junior ladder in the off-season... Bet's on him being on the F1 grid before Australia?  :lol:


Edited by Brandz07, 18 December 2013 - 10:07.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 10:08

Lights, on 24 Nov 2013 - 15:42, said:

Let's perhaps judge Max for who he is and not for his father.

 

Fine.  Let's see him change his surname and race incognito then and let's see how far he gets.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 10:42

ensign14, on 18 Dec 2013 - 10:08, said:

Fine.  Let's see him change his surname and race incognito then and let's see how far he gets.

 

If your logic works I will change my surname to Vettel



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 13:57

Brandz07, on 18 Dec 2013 - 09:57, said:

Just a test, but seriously that's impressive. Blomqvist, Auer and King aren't slow drivers..

 

He keeps going quicker!

 

1st hour: 1st
2nd hour: 1st

3rd hour currently: 1st. Aver +0,6 | Blomqvist +0,9 | King +1,0

 

:drunk:



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 14:10

Well more then some others, I think Max and Kevin (Magnussen) are showing to be far better then their fathers.
Who also showed great speed and potential but for various reasons did not really blossom.

Max had probably the most impressive resume in the history of karting, almost every race he starts he seems to be easily capable of winning and only bad luck and deperate attempts from competitors when they have a rare change to be close and try to overtake him seems to stop him from winning everything.

And from Max what I have seen in interviews I have seen is mostly a very confident boy, and with the results he puts down, he has every right to being very confident in himself. He has shown to be a much calmer person then his father and where Jos might have lost his temper Max has shown more capable to keep his cool and just go faster. he seems to combine his fathers out-of-the-box pure racing speed with his mothers calmness. he is easily capable of producing very constant laptimes. He almost makes it look easy.

Someone did a mock-up for how season 2018 F1-grid would look like, I think it would not supprise me if Max would already be a defending champion by then :clap:
My money is on that in 2 years time he will get his first meters driving a F1 car, most likely as reward of winning a feeder series.

I don't know where he would drive, but as a Dutch I hope he would do FR2.0, so his dad can race in the megane's and follow/support him a little.
And seeing how fast he adjust to any car he is driving, would not be suprised to see this kid move up the ranks extremly fast hoping to break some of Vettels records.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 14:35

zanquis, on 18 Dec 2013 - 14:10, said:

Well more then some others, I think Max and Kevin (Magnussen) are showing to be far better then their fathers.
Who also showed great speed and potential but for various reasons did not really blossom.

Max had probably the most impressive resume in the history of karting, almost every race he starts he seems to be easily capable of winning and only bad luck and deperate attempts from competitors when they have a rare change to be close and try to overtake him seems to stop him from winning everything.

And from Max what I have seen in interviews I have seen is mostly a very confident boy, and with the results he puts down, he has every right to being very confident in himself. He has shown to be a much calmer person then his father and where Jos might have lost his temper Max has shown more capable to keep his cool and just go faster. he seems to combine his fathers out-of-the-box pure racing speed with his mothers calmness. he is easily capable of producing very constant laptimes. He almost makes it look easy.

Someone did a mock-up for how season 2018 F1-grid would look like, I think it would not supprise me if Max would already be a defending champion by then :clap:
My money is on that in 2 years time he will get his first meters driving a F1 car, most likely as reward of winning a feeder series.

I don't know where he would drive, but as a Dutch I hope he would do FR2.0, so his dad can race in the megane's and follow/support him a little.
And seeing how fast he adjust to any car he is driving, would not be suprised to see this kid move up the ranks extremly fast hoping to break some of Vettels records.

:up:  Also Dutch and really looking forward to his first FR 2.0 race at the beginning of 2014. I think he's better than the Dutch Nyck de Vries, who had a little bit of a dissapointing debut year in the FR 2.0. Apart of being very, very fast, I read that he's also very technical.


Edited by LarsB, 18 December 2013 - 14:37.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 14:48

Why not chuck him straight into F3, maybe not the European Championship but maybe German F3 with Motopark? Clearly he has the pace, he's close to the lap record now and they tend to dominate the series. (He's testing with them today.)


Edited by Brandz07, 18 December 2013 - 14:52.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 14:53

What's the lap record?



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 15:06

LarsB, on 18 Dec 2013 - 14:53, said:

What's the lap record?

I'm not sure, I saw it mentioned here, although it doesn't give times..

http://alleenf1.nl/W...ord-in-valencia

 

It's worth noting that Max is testing the '08 spec German F3 car which features the 'overtake' button; whereas Auer, King, etc are testing the '12 spec without it.


Edited by Brandz07, 18 December 2013 - 15:14.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 15:19

LarsB, on 18 Dec 2013 - 14:53, said:

What's the lap record?

 

Tom DIllmann - 1:24.941

 

Max did a 1:25.092 today.

 

4th Session is now underway, and Max is.... 1st.

0.5 on Blomqvist now.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 15:21

I think German F3 cars have more power?



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 15:24

Ross Stonefeld, on 18 Dec 2013 - 15:21, said:

I think German F3 cars have more power?

Yep, edited my post above to mention it but they have the 'push to pass' button and maybe a bit more power on top of that. John Bryant-Meisner entered one into the first British F3 race of the year and dominated, leading to them to turning off the button for the remainder of that weekend and he didn't enter again; maybe banned?


Edited by Brandz07, 18 December 2013 - 15:30.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 15:47

Ross Stonefeld, on 18 Dec 2013 - 15:21, said:

I think German F3 cars have more power?

 

And I thought it is 20kg heavier



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 15:57

Dunno, but I've seen 'okay' rookies in German Cup cars go as fast as established, experienced drivers in the other specifications. It's a slight head-scratcher.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 16:02

He has broken the lap record with a lap time of 1.24.832!