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[V8 Fireworks]

 

For me it's a huge lack of class and general politeness to slate Renault this much. 

 

Renault are French.  The French talk directly when offering critiques.  Therefore they probably have not even noticed!

The English & Australian fans should probably not worry such things IMO, as we may be misreading the expectations inherent in the French culture:

[paulogman]

Ok. So this season red bull can't get the power unit, the fuel meter, and now the ecu to work.
What's going on?

[GrumpyYoungMan]

Ok. So this season red bull can't get the power unit, the fuel meter, and now the ecu to work.
What's going on?

Its like juggling, when one ball drops, they all fall...

 

Plus they have a new standard ECU which they all have to use this year but they had last year as a test year, maybe Red Bull and Renault didn't try testing it?

Edited by GrumpyYoungMan, 03 July 2014 - 12:53.

[Heisenberg]

This irks me too, whatever happened to the saying 'You win together, you lose together'. In Red Bulls case its 'When we win its all on us, when we lose its all on Renault'. Sure they ain't got the best engine but publically slagging your supplier off isnt going to get you anywhere. I don't remember Williams moaning on and on like this when they went from a Honda to a Judd engine in 88 and won nothing with it, as opposed to having the best engine previously.

While I agree with you on a small degree (I wouldn't call it "slaying", it's more RB pushing Renault to fix the issues!), the current problems are pretty much all on  Renault's part! It's not like Red Bull made an awful car, because as we saw, the RB10 CAN be pretty fast! All of it's problems are because of the Renault PU.

Edited by Heisenberg, 03 July 2014 - 13:08.

[Treads]

Renault are French.  The French talk directly when offering critiques.  Therefore they probably have not even noticed!

The English & Australian fans should probably not worry such things IMO, as we may be misreading the expectations inherent in the French culture:

 

So the French guys at Renault won't have their feelings hurt but this. Nonetheless it's damaging to them and their image in the UK and many other countries. Horner is a Brit, RB is a British team, so I judge their behaviour according to British cultural norms. 

[ElDictatore]

[Masteroftheuniverse]

Just dawned on me that despite Ricciardo winning today, there's a real possibility that Red Bull won't score any points at the next 2 races (Belgium and Italy)

[goingthedistance]

Just dawned on me that despite Ricciardo winning today, there's a real possibility that Red Bull won't score any points at the next 2 races (Belgium and Italy)

I think they'll be top 8 in Spa. Maybe no points in Monza.

Race pace today was actually very good, not quite Merc standard but a lot closer.

[Masteroftheuniverse]

I think they'll be top 8 in Spa. Maybe no points in Monza.

Race pace today was actually very good, not quite Merc standard but a lot closer.

 

Spa is all about horsepower too, so i'd wager that they'd be beaten by the Williams (who really should win one of the next 2 races), the Merc, the FI, the Mclaren and the Ferrari. 

[MortenF1]

Before the weekend I was expecting Red Bull to lock out the second row, and be within four. five tenths, and then to trail Mercedes by roughly the same amount in the race.

...but, even if it's very hard to compare race-pace in a race like today, I think the RB10 was closer than that. Much closer. Ricciardo set a 27.35 and Hamilton a 27.38 the same lap or very soon after.

He did have a slightly bunched-up FW so probably lost a couple of tenths worth of performance.

 

Good weekend for Red Bull.

[lbennie]

They will just do what they usually do at monza and turn the wings almost horizontal. They will still be competitive.

[Petroltorque]

Spa is about DOWNFORCE. Apart from the run up the Kemmel straight horsepower is not going to be the overriding facor. In my opinion Pirelli have done Red Bull a favour bringing softer compounds. Anyone punting for a downforce light setup will kill their tyres.

Edited by Petroltorque, 27 July 2014 - 15:26.

[lbennie]

Also, it was a nice win & all, but...

 

SORT YOUR F'ING CLUTCH OUT RB

[jstrains]

2011 car catches fire during road city show

http://www.bild.de/s...08354.bild.html

[lbennie]

Must have been Mark's chassis

[Exb]

Red Bull have used their one permitted change and re-nominated their gear ratios in Spa:
http://www.fia.com/s...ments/Doc16.pdf

[Petroltorque]

Monster, Monster, Monster! Unbelievable victory at Spa. Vettel going around the outsde of Button at the Bus Stop!
You have got to ask how much better they could have done if they had put emphasis on straight line speed rather than absolute downforce.

[V8 Fireworks]

they found straightline speed somwhere!  Well done RBR!

[ViMaMo]

One of the best victories unless Rosberg/Merc was suffering some sort of serious ailment.

 

Awesome, superb. DR and Red Bull     

Edited by ViMaMo, 24 August 2014 - 14:11.

[SamH123]

Damage successfully limited 

[PassWind]

Anyone heard any hints at a start system change, tweak or upgrade. Rosberg was slow off the line however both Daniel and Seb got great starts in comparison to both Mercs. 

[Exb]

Anyone heard any hints at a start system change, tweak or upgrade. Rosberg was slow off the line however both Daniel and Seb got great starts in comparison to both Mercs.

Change of gear ratio's - shorter gears should help at the start right?

[pingu666]

traction is more of a factor, they can probably spin the tyres easily at low speed, whatever the gearing

[lbennie]

They will just do what they usually do at monza and turn the wings almost horizontal. They will still be competitive.

 

*cough*

[kenkip]

Red Bull have used their one permitted change and re-nominated their gear ratios in Spa:
http://www.fia.com/s...ments/Doc16.pdf

I have a question,Does this mean they can revert to the older settings and keep changing back and fourth or is it this setting to remain unchanged?

[Victor_RO]

I have a question,Does this mean they can revert to the older settings and keep changing back and fourth or is it this setting to remain unchanged?

 

Once they use the "joker", the ratios are fixed to the end of the year. Next year teams will not have this possibility, so the gear ratios will be fixed all season without possibility for adjustment.

[bourbon]

50 wins celebration with RBR:  http://www.infiniti-....com/article/50

[pedrorito]

50 wins celebration with RBR:  http://www.infiniti-....com/article/50

"It's a great achievement but there's plenty more space in the trophy cabinet and hopefully we'll get to report on 100 race wins at some point before the Internet is something pumped directly into people's brains."

 

[oetzi]

Spa is all about horsepower too, so i'd wager that they'd be beaten by the Williams (who really should win one of the next 2 races), the Merc, the FI, the Mclaren and the Ferrari. 

 

Just dawned on me that despite Ricciardo winning today, there's a real possibility that Red Bull won't score any points at the next 2 races (Belgium and Italy)

 

Spa is about DOWNFORCE. Apart from the run up the Kemmel straight horsepower is not going to be the overriding facor. In my opinion Pirelli have done Red Bull a favour bringing softer compounds. Anyone punting for a downforce light setup will kill their tyres.

 

I thought it was against the rules to post under multiple aliases?

[Gilles4Ever]

Seb says RBR probably changing everything on Seb's car for Austin, he will start from the pitlane

[Zoetrope]

Wow, this thread got pretty silent after summer break.

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[OO7]

Wow, this thread got pretty silent after summer break.

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[RosannaG]

Does anybody know why Mr. Newey has not been around lately? I haven't seen him at any GP for a while.    

[goingthedistance]

I've noticed his absence too. Seems to have corresponded with Red Bull's mini slump

[RosannaG]

I've noticed his absence too. Seems to have corresponded with Red Bull's mini slump

 

Yeah but officially, he is still in charge of this season's car development... Sure there has to be an explanation... 

[pdac]

Does anybody know why Mr. Newey has not been around lately? I haven't seen him at any GP for a while.    

 

I expect he may be working on those "new Red Bull Technology projects" that were mentioned when RB announced they had "extended" their "successful relationship" with him (i.e. he's not working on the F1 project right now)

[RosannaG]

I expect he may be working on those "new Red Bull Technology projects" that were mentioned when RB announced they had "extended" their "successful relationship" with him (i.e. he's not working on the F1 project right now)

 

But I thought they were talking about him starting with those projects next year, not when this season was still on, the RB10 is his...

[pdac]

But I thought they were talking about him starting with those projects next year, not when this season was still on, the RB10 is his...

 

Seriously, I have no idea why he's missing, but I would imagine that he can probably do what he wants to or feels like doing (within certain limits). So perhaps he's either having a break or working on something that's taking his interest more than the F1 car. Or maybe he's just giving a bit more space for others to get more involved.

[RosannaG]

Seriously, I have no idea why he's missing, but I would imagine that he can probably do what he wants to or feels like doing (within certain limits). So perhaps he's either having a break or working on something that's taking his interest more than the F1 car. Or maybe he's just giving a bit more space for others to get more involved.

 

It looks like you are right...

 

 

Newey has previously stressed the desire to ensure that Red Bull continued to operate at a high level whenever he did take a step back or even leave the team.

 

Horner believes that the 55-year-old's move into a modified role, which will take effect at the end of the season, has been prepared for.

 

"Adrian has never made any secret of the fact that at some point he was going to step back a bit," said Horner.

 

"He's reached that point now and we have put a structure in place to accommodate that, yet still benefit from his involvement. So it is the best situation for everyone.

 

"We have a great situation where Adrian is not going to disappear completely and a percentage of his time will still be involved in F1.

 

"But it's a great chance for the strength of depth we have in the team beneath Adrian to stand up."

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/115347

[lbennie]

Wow, this thread got pretty silent after summer break.

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That is because it was mostly full of smug RB haters predicting the team would stuggle to make it out Q1 all year.

 

How they have developed themselves out of the issues to become the clear 2nd best team has been nothing short of phenomenal.

[HoldenRT]

I don't see any slump or mini slump except for a below average race in Russia.  Singapore and Suzuka were fine.  Redbull were actually up there with quickest car in the race in Suzuka, in the middle stint they were easily quickest car.  It was just the grid position/water spray/Williams that helped Mercs.  Don't take my word for it.  That's straight out of Nico Rosberg's mouth.  That's the difference between this forum and the people that actually are in the paddock.  I watch things with my own eyes, follow live timing.. and then these things are confirmed by people in the paddock.  It makes you feel good.  But then I say the same things here and it's like talking a different language (maybe I'm just baised?).  I'm not talking about Redbull issues though, just in general.  Rating drivers, teams pace.. everything.  IMO you can learn more from listening to the commentary or driver comments for 5 mins than anything posted here.  (Not trying to attack anyone personally.. just a general trend).  The people in the paddock seem to value accuracy highly, where as the punters on here seem to like to have a beer, watch the race and shoot some ****.. or talk some trash.. whichever way you want to word it.  It's not necessarily a bad thing..

 

Rosberg's comments were before the last race, which was quite average and an average pace but yeah.  Riccardio's second stint was quite strong.  Compared to Rosberg it was good, compared to Massa it was amazing, but maybe Massa just sucks.  Look who finished top 5, all Merc engines.  Just coincidence I'm sure.  Spa and Monza were a huge surprise and well above expectations, despite the 'low drag' config.  Singapore and Suzuka weren't too bad.  Ricciardo's been the lead Redbull in terms of defining race pace, and he's been bottled up a lot lately with poor starts and traffic.  In all of the last 3 races.  When in clear air the pace has still been pretty strong.

 

Not sure I could call it a slump, but after Austin it could be.  Another similar track in some ways.  But with some faster corners in S1, so who knows.  It's hard to predict anything certain about the pecking order because the tyre allocation seems to play a role, not just the amount of corners or straights.  After all of these months McLaren are still trying to figure out why they are quick when they are quick, or slow when they are slow.

[Timstr11]

Does anybody know why Mr. Newey has not been around lately? I haven't seen him at any GP for a while.    

It's customary for Newey to not go to the last gp's.

Surely he's fully immersed in the design of the RB11.

His new role will not start until the end of this year. By that time the basic design of cars is finalised and the build process is in full swing.

 

I expect the RB11 to be his best effort ever with crazy packaging, now that Renault is designing the engine for the RB11 specifically.

Edited by Timstr11, 15 October 2014 - 04:57.

[David1976]

 

 

I expect the RB11 to be his best effort ever with crazy packaging, now that Renault is designing the engine for the RB11 specifically.

 

I concur.

Next year's Red Bull chassis will be right up there with Mercedes.  But I suspect the Renault power train won't be.

[OO7]

As for the relative performance differential between RB and Mercedes in Suzuka, one should remember that RB opted for a wet set-up and the Q3 evidence shows a gap of 1.5 seconds in the dry, which is the largest margin we have seen all season.  Also Nico mentioned that Mercedes didn't have a very good set-up for the conditions.  Watching the onboards the RBR cars definitely appeared more stable, with their drivers not having to hacksaw away at the steering wheels like the Mercedes duo.

[Ellios]

This thread was a way down the list, didn't know where else to stick it - probably not worth a whole thread of its own

 

congrats to Mr Horner & Miss Halliwell

 

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[Timstr11]

Don't think this was posted here: