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[rodlamas]

I am privy to some more information that I would shortly share. It seems there are serious devisions in RBR about whether to appeal the decision or not. All is not well at Viry too it seems. I am afraid things are not looking good at the moment. The only team holding back almost all Renault teams is the engine. Having said that the fact that Renault identified their problems before homologating, they have had time to apply potential fixes before they submitted their design. Ferrari on the other hand, is a hopeless case of going/being no where. Given that Ferrari could have supported Renault to lift the engine freeze, in hindsight Ferrari misread it completely. Mood at Renault is not upbeat, but plenty of promise that they are finding hard to unlock. What works for RBR is not working for Lotus. For now all focus on RBR.. so unfortunately Lotus issues taking a backseat.

A bit off the topic, I see them matching up with Honda for 2015 as it has been reported months ago.

[LightningMcQueen]

A bit off the topic, I see them matching up with Honda for 2015 as it has been reported months ago.

And play second fiddle to mclaren who will be the works team?

[Petroltorque]

Whereas I can see the FIA allowing minor component changes on the grounds of reliability. I can't see them allowing any MAJOR design changes on the engine side. That is wishful thinking from disgruntled fans. The bottom line is if manufacturers can't find performance from the ECU control software they will have to wait till the next homologation cycle in 2015.

[DanardiF1]

A bit off the topic, I see them matching up with Honda for 2015 as it has been reported months ago.

 

McLaren have an exclusive deal with Honda for 2015, but they are open to customers from then on... McLaren remaining the works team though.

[GrumpyYoungMan]

In the context of the FFL it's irrelevant if Renault are doing that.

Are you sure about that? As maybe they can not add enough fuel by staying within the FFL?

[Clatter]

Are you sure about that? As maybe they can not add enough fuel by staying within the FFL?

It doesn't matter. The FFL is set and if Renault need more then they will be breaking the rules. They will not get away with the cooling excuse again.

[427MkIV]

Well, here comes Silverstone, and Horner is still blaming Renault.

[Diablobb81]

And he is right.

Edited by Diablobb81, 23 June 2014 - 17:26.

[Kingshark]

http://www.f1fanatic...tic-round-2306/

[turssi]

So Renault wins Spa. What's next? Monza?

Quite a feat to overcome the catastrophic problems from the start of the season. I'm sure they will make the best of this in coming press releases.

[BRG]

Penalties for exceeding the number of ICEs and the other bits will start to bite very soon for the Renault teams.  Though how Caterham will suffer a 10 place grid penalty remains to be seen - start from the paddock perhaps.

[sopa]

No more catastrophic than Ferrari, probably less catastrophic than Ferrari actually.

 

However, the success/power of Mercedes has proven to have a catastrophic impact on the competitiveness of all other manufacturers this year. Merc were so good out of the box they have proven to be virtually uncatchable all year. Let's see if Renault can somewhat improve next year - at least to a level, where together with Red Bull it would be possible to compete for titles.

[Gorma]

Red Bull dominate next year. They still have the best chassis.

[lbennie]

Some of the smug posts at the start of this thread proclaiming the downfall of Red Bull are quite an entertaining read now.

[skyfolker]

Renault declares Red Bull new works team

[Jejking]

Like we didn't know that already ;)

[Rinehart]

Is it just me or does the Ferrari look like its the worst engine in the field now (if you take all rumoured factors into the equation)?

[Jon83]

Is it just me or does the Ferrari look like its the worst engine in the field now (if you take all rumoured factors into the equation)?

 

Absolutely.

[Kristian]

Is it just me or does the Ferrari look like its the worst engine in the field now (if you take all rumoured factors into the equation)?

 

Yep. Especially as Mattiachi was calling for the engine freeze to be, erm, unfrozen - he knows it. 

[ollebompa]

To me the Ferrari seems better mechanically, but Renault makes it up with better software. When you look at the Ferarris they seem to have a wire throttle.

Edited by ollebompa, 03 September 2014 - 19:52.

[LeMans86]

An interesting comment today by Christian Horner in the PC showing that all is not well yet between Red Bull and Renault:

as far as Renault’s concerned, it allows them to focus fully on one solution: on Red Bull Racing. Obviously there’s some challenges ahead, it’s been a disastrous year for Renault this year and they’re working extremely hard to close that gap to the Mercedes. The problem is it’s a little bit of a moving target because one minute we agree something then suddenly people can’t remember what they’ve agreed and they change their mind, so we’ve got a bit going on at the moment.

[Kobasmashi]

An interesting comment today by Christian Horner in the PC showing that all is not well yet between Red Bull and Renault:

as far as Renault’s concerned, it allows them to focus fully on one solution: on Red Bull Racing. Obviously there’s some challenges ahead, it’s been a disastrous year for Renault this year and they’re working extremely hard to close that gap to the Mercedes. The problem is it’s a little bit of a moving target because one minute we agree something then suddenly people can’t remember what they’ve agreed and they change their mind, so we’ve got a bit going on at the moment.

Horner's sounding more and more like a broken record.

[Exb]

An interesting comment today by Christian Horner in the PC showing that all is not well yet between Red Bull and Renault:

as far as Renault’s concerned, it allows them to focus fully on one solution: on Red Bull Racing. Obviously there’s some challenges ahead, it’s been a disastrous year for Renault this year and they’re working extremely hard to close that gap to the Mercedes. The problem is it’s a little bit of a moving target because one minute we agree something then suddenly people can’t remember what they’ve agreed and they change their mind, so we’ve got a bit going on at the moment.

I thought he was referring to Mercedes to be honest (as in they had all agreed to relax the engine freeze but then Mercedes have changed their minds again)???

[Gorma]

I thought he was referring to Mercedes to be honest (as in they had all agreed to relax the engine freeze but then Mercedes have changed their minds again)???

I get the same idea.

[KWSN - DSM]

Pot and Kettle, throw Mercedes, McLaren, Ferrari in there as well. None of the teams / manufacturers will do anything for the betterment of F1, they have their own pure egotistical agenda which is again just a little twig more on the fire of ineptness surrounding the decision makers of the sport.

 

[turssi]

They have overtaken Ferrari and made the gap smaller compared to Merc. Good recovery work after the catástrofe.

[engineblock1]

F1 always used to be like that and it never harmed the sport.

 

+1

 

F1 is an equation of so many variables and you cannot complain about a certain variable's presence in the equation. As an ardent follower/reader of F1, the last thing I would want in F1 is everything else made same while the on-track inputs to steering and paddle makes the difference.