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#1 garyfrogeye

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 15:22

Apologies if there is already a thread running, but I couldn't see it.

Anyone going? I'll be there on Sunday.



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#2 Nick Savage

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 17:16

I will be there on Friday, strictly spectating and armoured to fend off the polar bears in Arctic Hall.

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#3 Allen Brown

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 10:38

Yes, but just the Friday



#4 chunder27

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 11:02

HAve been last few years, not going this year, last couple have been a bit low on numbers and life sadly.

 

I went to a motocross show there late last year and it was much better value with more to do.

 

26 quid on the gate is a bit steep to, though 20 in advance is decent value. If it wasnt for the rally stage, wouldnt be worth it at all.



#5 Derwent Motorsport

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 13:22

I understood that spectator numbers have bene rising each year? I go on Friday whne its quieter but last year it got really busy in the afternoon. my pal who is a bike man did think that the bike side was going down and a number of bikes no showed last year.



#6 Allen Brown

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 14:35

Highlight of the year for me.



#7 cdrewett

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 17:17

Apologies if there is already a thread running, but I couldn't see it.

Anyone going? I'll be there on Sunday.

I will be on duty on the MAC Shelsley Walsh stand on Sunday. Do come and say hello.

Chris



#8 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 19:13

Highlight of the year for me.


And for me also, its worth every penny.

#9 elansprint72

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 19:36

Sunday for me; I've just bought an extra set of thermals from the Go Outdoors sale!



#10 Morris S

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 23:50

Sunday for me, I'll be rummaging through Ted's drawers as usual. :eek:  In fact if you're reading this Ted, don't forget the Unipower GT shots !  ;)

 

Pete


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#11 Phil Rainford

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 19:49

Once again thoroughly enjoyed my trip to Race Retro...

 

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#12 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 20:40

 

Osella PA2 BMW 2000, chassis 007, 1974, raced by Juan Fernandez, European hillclimb champion Group 7 that year.

 

Unless there was another one at Race Retro, the chassis plate said 011, which was raced by Jorge de Bagration. Or am I missing something? (One doesn't wade into chassis debates at all, but I was there with Allen when we checked it)

 

PS - Another great day, 11 more photos for the site and one mystery solved. That's why I love Race Retro. Not as cold either in the dreaded Hall 4!



#13 Michael Ferner

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 21:33

One doesn't wade into Sports Car debates, but weren't all early Osellas Abarths? :confused:



#14 Alan Cox

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 23:26

Chapter  and verse on the Abarth Osella

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 09:14

Talking of wading in.... might one enquire about the ground conditions at Stoneleigh? Given the weeks of rain, is the mud-bath that it was a couple of years ago?



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 10:32

Talking of wading in.... might one enquire about the ground conditions at Stoneleigh? Given the weeks of rain, is the mud-bath that it was a couple of years ago?

Not too bad Pete. The car parks have metal strips down to stop the grass being churned up which worked very well yesterday. 



#17 Phil Rainford

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 15:32

The major problem at our age Pete is remembering where we have parked the car !!

 

 

PAR



#18 Derwent Motorsport

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 17:02

We went on Friday and we thought it very quiet compared to previous years. The autojumble was much smaller and the bike display gets smaller every year. Quite a few previous regular stands and clubs were missing including the MSA. I thought for the feature displays only 5 McLarens and 3 6R4s was not much of an effort. Having not missed a RR I would expect a big revamp before going again.



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 17:46

The major problem at our age Pete is remembering where we have parked the car !!

 

 

PAR

Or, in fact, if we went by car or train!  :rolleyes:

 

Thanks chaps.



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#20 Alan Cox

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 18:12

We went on Friday and we thought it very quiet compared to previous years. The autojumble was much smaller and the bike display gets smaller every year. Quite a few previous regular stands and clubs were missing including the MSA.

Yes, it did seem to be quieter on Friday than in recent years, and a number of regular exhibitors were notable for their absence. Still the best place to meet people, though.



#21 Tuboscocca

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 18:23

Or, in fact, if we went by car or train!  :rolleyes:

 

Thanks chaps.

..or 'wheeled walker' :yawnface: ??

 

Michael



#22 Allen Brown

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 09:38

The autojumble was definitely smaller outside but a few people had moved location so it was hard to tell if anyone was missing.  One of the halls was not filled either last year or the year before so they might have done a bit of rearranging and brought more people in from the cold.  The queue for the burgers was no shorter and they were no more places to sit and eat.

 

I just didn't have enough time.  I missed Alan Cox completely (sorry Alan) and didn't get a chance to sit down and chat to a number of people that I wanted to (sorry other Alan).  Unfortunately, other commitments have kept me away yesterday and today.



#23 Derwent Motorsport

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 11:05

I think in recent years there have been less cars on display. With HERO being involved in the event it seems as though the other rally clubs don't go and the rally hall had some large spaces, indeed I think generally thinks were spread out a lot more than in the early days. I just found a hall plan from 5 years ago when we (NESCRO) had a stand and there were more rows in each hall. There seemed to be a lack of overall organisation as to what was happening; for example the bike lads were waiting for the "fire up" on Friday and it never happened. I asked at the organisers office and they did not know who was doing it.

The girl doing the interviews were clueless or had not done her research - she asked Tony Mason if he was driving, He sounded a bit terse when he pointed out he commentated!

I think the event needs a big revamp and perhaps some investment in getting new displays and ideas.



#24 elansprint72

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 18:06

I quite enjoyed the event today; as mentioned above it's becoming somehow "diluted" compared to former times. The rally stage was very well done, as more cars were circulating at the same time than previously.

Here's a Gentlemans' Excuse-Me...

 

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Escort Service...

 

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#25 elansprint72

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 19:06

It's always good to see old stock cars at Race Retro, brings back memories of when I was a kid at Belle Vue; then back home on the bus to watch Mrs Peel in The Avengers. ;-)

 

I don't know anything about this six-wheeler, it was after my time.

 

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Ellis Ford, one of the gold top boys from my youth.

 

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#26 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 21:34

The girl doing the interviews were clueless or had not done her research - she asked Tony Mason if he was driving, He sounded a bit terse when he pointed out he commentated!

I think the event needs a big revamp and perhaps some investment in getting new displays and ideas.

 

I've never quite understood why, when you consider Nigel Roebuck, Marcus Pye and many more are there every year, that the organiser/PR company doesn't get them involved. You'll get a better quality of interview. The thing is, especially, Race Retro is geared much more the genuine racing fan and not the modern-day F1 fan, and this is reflected by those that attend, so I can't understand her focus on 2014 F1 when speaking to the likes of Moss and Southgate.

 

I certainly think a change of ideas would be good, maybe not for next year, but certainly  long-term to keep the interest of those who go every year.



#27 arttidesco

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 20:29

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Wondering if anyone can help me identify which 'M23' was at Race Retro last month unfortunately I do not have a photo of the blurb that went with it ?

 

The same car with distinctive red light/button on the bracing between the roll hoop appears to have been at Silverstone Classic in 2007 carrying the #17 according to Wiki does anyone have a prog from that event with the name of the owner or driver ?
 


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#28 bsc

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 23:08

Richard Meins was the driver/entrant - although I don't think that the car actually raced at the event.



#29 arttidesco

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 00:23

Richard Meins was the driver/entrant - although I don't think that the car actually raced at the event.

 

Most grateful bsc looks like Richards car is M23/4 previously owned by Abba Kogan :wave:



#30 Allen Brown

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 12:44

Yes, Richard Meins owns M23/4, just its fifth owner since new.  We did a dossier on it a few years ago (I have 'we' - not actually the Royal we, I mean my research and Alan Henry's prose).



#31 arttidesco

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 13:43

Thanks for the confirmation Allen, I was a sceptical about the pods with the side vents I thought they were post Spain '76 vintage ?



#32 elansprint72

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 20:03

Post-event chit-chat amongst my motor-mates seems to indicate that this was not the best RR. I felt that somehow there was just less of everything, somehow.



#33 arttidesco

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 22:07

There certainly was, but then the same could be said about Autosport International



#34 Derwent Motorsport

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 09:32

Yes, that was our feeling as well. My motor cycle pals have decided not to go again as the bike side gets less every year and the "fire up" that was promised for Friday did not happen. Under the original organisers there was autotesting by the BTRDA and an indoor trials arena. If you have a programme from 4 years ago you will see that in halls 1 & 2 there are two aisles fewer now and of course some of the displays such as the HERO one cover a lot of ground with few cars on them. Interestingly the other major rally organisers and groups like HRCR, NESCRO, ERA etc no longer exhibit.

The lack of an MSA stand was rather a loss.