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Posted 07 April 2014 - 08:22
The best race for a number of years, I gave it a 9 out of 10.
Best driver: Hamilton (honourable mentions Rosberg, Ricciardo, Perez)
Worst Driver: Maldonado - Way out of his depth in F1 and should be racing stock cars.
Best Team: Mercedes - They'be built a damned good car and allow their drivers to race which is brilliant.
Best Overate: Hamilton on Rosberg
I hope we have more of these in 2014. F1 needed a bit of life injected into it! 
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:47
The best race for a number of years, I gave it a 9 out of 10.
Best driver: Hamilton (honourable mentions Rosberg, Ricciardo, Perez)
out of curiosity why does Rosberg get an honorable mention? He gets the faster tyre and a gift of the time loss of running the worse tyre earlier eliminated for hiim, he kerffufles around for 10 laps and fails to overtake a guy driving an identical car, on slower tyres. How is that "honorable" in any way shape or form?
PS race was awful, aside from the reset 10 laps before the end. We have the Mercs being 2+ seconds a lap faster than everybody else, mediocre chassis (Williams/FI I am looking at you) being able to race great chassis (RB) cause they have the much better engine. Yet the people that went nuts when Vettel opened a gap after the SC in Singapore last year at a crazy pace are now congratulating Hamilton for doing the same with a much bigger car advantage, cause apparently Rosberg was "racing" him and it made it all that much amazing.
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:54
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:58
out of curiosity why does Rosberg get an honorable mention? He gets the faster tyre and a gift of the time loss of running the worse tyre earlier eliminated for hiim, he kerffufles around for 10 laps and fails to overtake a guy driving an identical car, on slower tyres. How is that "honorable" in any way shape or form?
PS race was awful, aside from the reset 10 laps before the end. We have the Mercs being 2+ seconds a lap faster than everybody else, mediocre chassis (Williams/FI I am looking at you) being able to race great chassis (RB) cause they have the much better engine. Yet the people that went nuts when Vettel opened a gap after the SC in Singapore last year at a crazy pace are now congratulating Hamilton for doing the same with a much bigger car advantage, cause apparently Rosberg was "racing" him and it made it all that much amazing.
I enjoyed the battle between Nico and Lewis and felt overall Hamilton had the better weekend. Nico battled until the end after some good luck with the safety car and gave Merc a one two, so for me that gets an honourable mention. I couldn't really care less what other people said about Vettel last year, that wasn't even a consideration when I analysed yesterdays race to be honest.
Edited by tifosiMac, 07 April 2014 - 09:59.
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 10:01
I enjoyed the battle between Nico and Lewis and felt overall Hamilton had the better weekend. Nico battled until the end after some good luck with the safety car and gave Merc a one two, so for me that gets an honourable mention. I couldn't really care less what other people said about Vettel last year, that wasn't even a consideration when I analysed yesterdays race to be honest.
dude for more than half of the last 10 laps the "battle" wasn't even on teh world feed ... cause the "battle" for 5th was more interesting. Something tells me you want to "enjoy" it/
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 10:08
mediocre chassis (Williams/FI I am looking at you) being able to race great chassis (RB) cause they have the much better engine.
Isn't that the very essence of F1? Isn't that what we all want to see? Teams that produce cars with different strengths and weaknesses?
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 10:24
Isn't that the very essence of F1? Isn't that what we all want to see? Teams that produce cars with different strengths and weaknesses?
not when one part of the equation is stationary (engine) and the other (car) variable
I have no interest in seeing Engine Manufacturers locking in advantages and getting lauded for it while teams (again engine manufacturers and teams are separate entities) don't enjoy that privilege
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 10:36
not when one part of the equation is stationary (engine) and the other (car) variable
I have no interest in seeing Engine Manufacturers locking in advantages and getting lauded for it while teams (again engine manufacturers and teams are separate entities) don't enjoy that privilege
The car constructors get the privalage of not being locked into a situation (except for the fact that their chassis has to be homologated and cannot be changed). Having said that, if engine development was free, it wouldn't necessarily lead to a different situation.
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 10:51
dude for more than half of the last 10 laps the "battle" wasn't even on teh world feed ... cause the "battle" for 5th was more interesting. Something tells me you want to "enjoy" it/
Do I have to justify why I enjoy something? No I don't. I watched the race, I enjoyed it and that is that. Not my problem if you don't agree with me.
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:12
6/10
Mediocre race "saved" by the SC for 15 minutes, hey maybe NASCAR know what they are doing 
Two tier formula, Merc is F1, the rest are GP2
Part of me thinks that if Ross was at the helm the race would have ended at the SC, time will tell if Paddy's way is better but with the kind of advantage they have the downside is pretty small
Not feeling the love for Rosberg, he was good in precisely one session, Q3, otherwise he was Webberesque levels of mediocrity
Ferrari ... for the love of all that is good hire Ross back and just hand him the keys to the factory.
Vettel was subpar also, not sure if he had car issues (was working last night so I didn't catch the post race coverage) but he should stamp his authority on Ricciardo (not by ignoring team orders, by actually being faster)
Massa outraces Bottas again
Maldonado is insane
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:28
out of curiosity why does Rosberg get an honorable mention? He gets the faster tyre and a gift of the time loss of running the worse tyre earlier eliminated for hiim, he kerffufles around for 10 laps and fails to overtake a guy driving an identical car, on slower tyres. How is that "honorable" in any way shape or form?
PS race was awful, aside from the reset 10 laps before the end. We have the Mercs being 2+ seconds a lap faster than everybody else, mediocre chassis (Williams/FI I am looking at you) being able to race great chassis (RB) cause they have the much better engine. Yet the people that went nuts when Vettel opened a gap after the SC in Singapore last year at a crazy pace are now congratulating Hamilton for doing the same with a much bigger car advantage, cause apparently Rosberg was "racing" him and it made it all that much amazing.
As we found out during the race through radio transmissions and otherwise, the tyre difference advantage was actually miniscule. One RE called it as no difference.
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:30
As we found out during the race through radio transmissions and otherwise, the tyre difference advantage was actually miniscule. One RE called it as no difference.
yet Hamilton opened a 10 second gap while Rosberg was on primes
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:42
May be further proof there was little difference.
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Although Hamilton thought there was o.6 seconds in it.
"When the safety car came out I thought, 'shoot - he's on options, I'm on primes, that's it.' It's going to take a miracle to hold him back because there is around 0.6 seconds in those tyres - and he had so much grip behind me.
"So it felt like one of the best calculated races I've had, in terms of how I was using my power and how I was positioning my car.
"He'd catch me down the back straight, was still with me at the last corner and have 10 or 12km/h on me with the DRS, I had to accept that he was going to come past.
"I couldn't go to the inside and then block. I had to move a little bit, but then had to get back. I don't know how I did it all the time."
Edited by metz, 07 April 2014 - 12:36.
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:42
OK who voted 1? Own up!
LdM?
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:58
Since you asked, there are a few things that put me off of this race. Firstly, I didn't rate the race compared to other F1 races; I rated it compared to other forms of racing and what they offer, and what F1 is supposed to offer in comparison--and on that front, it wasn't that great, in my opinion.
Firstly, the 'atmosphere' of the race wasn't 'there' for me. Usually I'm content to jack up the volume on a formation lap and wait in feverish anticipation as the revs of the cars build to climax and then take off. By the third race of this season, I've gone from staying up to catch most of them live at obscene hours to DVRing them and waiting until dinner to watch them. Why turn up the volume when I can get the same sounds from a vacuum cleaner?
Then there's the look of the cars. Everything other than a Mercedes or a Red Bull is basically an eye-sore of the highest order. The cars have been the butt of so many jokes amongst the people I talk racing with that it's impossible to take them seriously. You know something is seriously wrong when the DW12 is a sexy machine compared to 80% of the field comprising the highest class of open wheel motorsport in the world.
On top of that, there's the incessant whining from all the drivers when anyone attempts to defend their position. Here's the thing about this that bothers me--I don't think that most of these drivers are snivelling primadonnas who expect everyone to pull over for them. I think that most of them do it because they know there's a chance they may gain an advantage through political wrangling with Charlie so that they won't have to do the work on track. Hulkenberg's reply to the Force India's assurance that they'd be talking with Charlie (Something along the lines of 'Yeah, of course.') made me sick.
All this, plus the fact that close to half of the on-track battles this race were between cars of the same team (if I wanted duels between cars of the same make, I'd watch IndyCar) and the further degradation of the integrity of the post-race interviews with another Bernie hand-picked celebrity, and F1 is turning me the other way. Nothing that happened this race didn't happen in another race over the past four years--but the cars look uglier, sound uglier, there's more whining from the drivers, and a format for post-race interviews that further resembles a reality TV show. So that's why, for about the same level of action as most of the good races from years past, this race gets a 6 from me instead of about a 9.
I mentioned MotoGP at Qatar this year as a comparison. I had DVR'd that race a few weeks ago and finally watched it today. That had me on the edge of my seat for more than all of the F1 races this year combined. I was formerly a casual follower of MotoGP--I'd watch a race here and there if I had it on my DVR--but after that race, I wanted to find the full calendar and watch every single one this year live. I don't even know when the Chinese GP is, or where/when the race after that is. I didn't care to find out.
So you see, you sorely miss the point when you assume that my reasons for dismissing this race as 'overrated' come from some sort of irrational tendency against the winning driver. I'm glad Hamilton's on his way to that well-deserved second championship that's been well overdue since 2009. I'm glad, as a Mercedes owner, that the Silver Arrows have finally put together a strong start to their championship campaign. But I'm sorry to say that all this has come at a time that my passion for F1 is well and truly on the wane.
I don't mean to be so critical and negative when everyone else is clearly enjoying themselves--and I'm honestly quite happy for them--but... you asked for my opinion, so I gave it. Hopefully you understand.
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:58
I sometimes wonder if people watch the same races I do. Was pretty good even before the safety car (Force India/Williams, Massa/Bottas, Hulkenburg/Perez, Ricciardo/Vettel, Vettel/Raikkonen, etc). Just what do you people want for a race to be classed as "good"? The threat of a pass is as thrilling as the pass itself, and there have been plenty of both so far in 2014.
If you are expecting endless passing for the lead without the car being a factor then you probably ought to be watching a slow-speed short-length spec series instead, where the cars stay bunched together and the drivers alone make the difference. If you want pure speed and nothing else, watch dragsters - probably faster and not a procession.
Anyway...
Best Driver: Hamilton
Worst Driver: Maldonado (how does this guy still have a seat?)
Best Team: Mercedes
Best Overtake: Perez/Hulk
Best Moment: Hamilton/Rosberg duel
In a Sentence: First time I've been on the edge of my seat since Brazil '08 (and that was more down to the situation than the racing).
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 13:31
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 14:55
rated it a 4, took the safety car to regain my interest
Dude.... Wtf do you expect a F1 race to be? Nascar-esque? 
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 15:10
Dude.... Wtf do you expect a F1 race to be? Nascar-esque?
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 15:15
NASCAR has had 6 different winners to start a season which has been extremely entertaining and F1 is once again Fastest Car Wins, only this time with new and improved dick noses. NASCAR still does a lot of dumb **** but F1 is in no position to be throwing stones at any other racing series, especially one that's been ten times as exciting to start their season.
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 15:16
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 15:24
You are mental, or your post is at least. Is that deliberately trolling, or do you actually think that Pastor was the best driver yesterday, and Nico the worst ? Really ? Please tell me that you are just trolling, at least I would be able to see some kind of rationale for that.
Regarding Pastor of course not. He is a menace! I should have included a thumbs down, sorry.
Rosberg stood out the most as the worst driver yesterday with his poor start losing pole, poor strategy which he is even taking credit for apparently and mostly for his poor overtaking attempts at the end of the race when he had the tire advantage and drs, he looked amateurish. Very disappointing.
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 15:37
Regarding Pastor of course not. He is a menace! I should have included a thumbs down, sorry.
Rosberg stood out the most as the worst driver yesterday with his poor start losing pole, poor strategy which he is even taking credit for apparently and mostly for his poor overtaking attempts at the end of the race when he had the tire advantage and drs, he looked amateurish. Very disappointing.
Interesting, basically lost the race in the first corner when he let Hamilton muscle him out, Hamilton is lucky Rosberg rolls over easily, again, TBH, i would have rather seen them rubbing, Red Bull style haha ... Dont get me wrong people, Rosberg is good, but I dont get World Champion vibe from him 
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 17:03
I guess you missed that Force Indias, Williams, Red Bulls, Ferraris and McLarens were racing each other all race too.
A car passing another car isn't automatically "racing". Before the safety car came out, the cars were lined up *by teams*, almost perfectly. If the safety car had not come out, the Mercedes would have lapped the Ferraris, and the finish would have looked like a listing of teams.
You don't know what fuel strategy each were running is the problem. A more fuel efficient car "racing" a Ferrari, because he's at the back of the grid because of poor qualifying, or penalties, is not "racing" if the Ferrari driver knows he's either maxed on his fuel flow, or running on the limit of his fuel efficiency. Or, you don't know if a passing driver is taking a chance on his fuel limit versus a more conservative driver. You can't "race" someone when you're worried about wrecking your fuel strategy. By the end, the more fuel efficient car wins.
Team mates can race each other because they know they have the same efficiency. A Mercedes engined car going past a Ferrari engine is not the same this year as it was last year. Ultimately the Ferrari engine does not have the fuel reserve the Mercedes has and cannot afford to fight.
"You don't have to coast anymore".
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 19:09
I think the word "show" fits best. Car flying past one another like they hit the nitrous button (DRS assist) is not what i call Racing. All in favor of the all mighty dollar.
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Posted 08 April 2014 - 06:00
A car passing another car isn't automatically "racing". Before the safety car came out, the cars were lined up *by teams*, almost perfectly. If the safety car had not come out, the Mercedes would have lapped the Ferraris, and the finish would have looked like a listing of teams.
You don't know what fuel strategy each were running is the problem. A more fuel efficient car "racing" a Ferrari, because he's at the back of the grid because of poor qualifying, or penalties, is not "racing" if the Ferrari driver knows he's either maxed on his fuel flow, or running on the limit of his fuel efficiency. Or, you don't know if a passing driver is taking a chance on his fuel limit versus a more conservative driver. You can't "race" someone when you're worried about wrecking your fuel strategy. By the end, the more fuel efficient car wins.
Team mates can race each other because they know they have the same efficiency. A Mercedes engined car going past a Ferrari engine is not the same this year as it was last year. Ultimately the Ferrari engine does not have the fuel reserve the Mercedes has and cannot afford to fight.
"You don't have to coast anymore".
The actual order before the SC was this: MERC, MERC, WILL, FI, FI, FER, MCL, RB, RB, WILL, FER, LOT, TR, MCL. A very typical picture in all eras of F1 because, guess what? Cars from the same team tend to be similar in pace.
As has been pointed out many times before, fuel conservation has always been a part of F1, sometimes more than others, you just get to hear about more these days.
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Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:39
NASCAR has had 6 different winners to start a season which has been extremely entertaining and F1 is once again Fastest Car Wins, only this time with new and improved dick noses. NASCAR still does a lot of dumb **** but F1 is in no position to be throwing stones at any other racing series, especially one that's been ten times as exciting to start their season.
F1 has nearly always been fastest car wins. Half the game is building a fast car. It isn't a spec series.
(Not directed at Andrew) I really think some people are watching the wrong motorsport. There is loads of different categories and formats out there and whenever someone moans about "such and such is wrong in F1" I find myself thinking "why aren't they watching X?"
Motorsport is unique in its variety and it is a shame most fans prefer moaning about F1 rather than embracing a series that already provides what they seek. There's something for everyone if they'd just look beyond F1.
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