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#701 thegforcemaybewithyou

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 08:25

Thanks! The reason why I can't open the link or statesman.com seems to be the European data protection law and banning European IPs seems to be the easiest way to fulfil it! :)



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#702 SCUDmissile

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 10:03

Maybe they should get some kids to raise money for it by selling hot chocolate.

I hear that's all the rage in Austin right now.

#703 jonpollak

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 10:59

The issue seems to be surrounding hookers...or the prevention of such...!!?!

So..
Who here is going to the Indycar race?
Jp

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#704 AustinF1

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 14:26

COTA threatened by $25m US GP funding hit. State funding could be used for a GP elsewhere in Texas if necessary.
 
 

The current arrangement covers an F1 race anywhere in the state of Texas, and is not specifically tied to COTA – so in theory an event in another city could claim the funding.


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Posted 21 February 2019 - 14:55

If someone is giving you $25 million and you are required to turn in the correct paperwork to receive it, you better turn in the correct paperwork in on time and have strong processes in place to insure this.  This is definitely a COTA management failure.

 

I will be going to IndyCar and MotoGP this year, but will probably skip F1.  I am super excited about IndyCar and I really hope they are able to put on an exciting race.



#706 StraightEdge

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 19:24

I'm going be at Indycar race



#707 Clatter

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 19:31

Will Indycar use the same circuit as F1?

#708 loki

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 22:30

Thanks! The reason why I can't open the link or statesman.com seems to be the European data protection law and banning European IPs seems to be the easiest way to fulfil it! :)

Unless the owners of the Statesman have operations in the EU they won't be held to the GDPR.  The EU/EEA doesn't have standing to sue over this in US court.  There are some good things in it.  For many the hurdles were too high in that the properties that are blocking Europeans in general it wasn't worth the traffic for the extra cost.  The GDPR realizes they can't enforce it in every jurisdiction but if they can resolve some of the issues, particularly concerning awarding rights under the regulation (the only federal rights we have are enshrined in the Constitution).  California has passed a similar privacy law.  In general I think it's a good idea though in instances where I don't need a confirmed identity I use something else and always use a VPN.



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Posted 21 February 2019 - 23:07

Will Indycar use the same circuit as F1?


Yep.
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#710 StraightEdge

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 13:43

They released the schedule for Indycar weekend

 

http://www.circuitof...ndycar/schedule



#711 StraightEdge

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Posted 02 March 2019 - 22:57

I got my tickets in the mail today



#712 AustinF1

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Posted 09 March 2019 - 17:26

BTW I heard the proposed motorsport hotel/condo deal at COTA is dead & the developer took it to Vegas.



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Posted 09 March 2019 - 18:23

Liberty are keen on getting Vegas..........Just saying.... :smoking:



#714 loki

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Posted 10 March 2019 - 05:57

BTW I heard the proposed motorsport hotel/condo deal at COTA is dead & the developer took it to Vegas.

 

There's already a motorsport country club with condos over in Pahrump, Spring Mountain Raceway.  The guys out there bought a huge tract next to the track to make a 15 mile track.  They've got 4-5 miles now they can split into a couple of tracks.  It does well.  (and the have a helipad and airstrip and a shooting range) Unless someone builds a track out at the speedway it's not going to happen in the Vegas valley (Pahrump is over the hill in Nye County).  There's no more room for a track in the metro area.  SMI has been making noise about putting a condo/hotel/casino out at the track for years but nothing has happened.  If they just want to build a swanky pad for exotic car freaks there are plenty of places for that, just no racetrack.  There are a lot of exotic car freaks in town.



#715 AustinF1

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Posted 10 March 2019 - 18:18

Yeah I have no idea what form this guy's Las Vegas venture might take, if any. I had zero expectation of that project going forward at COTA for many reasons.



#716 paulb

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Posted 11 March 2019 - 01:18

Liberty are keen on getting Vegas..........Just saying.... :smoking:

How about a parking lot?

#717 AustinF1

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Posted 12 April 2019 - 15:42

After COTA repairs, MotoGP riders hope 'Horsepower Rodeo' is less bumpy

 

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“It’s really bumpy and sends you in many directions, kind of like a rodeo,” said Marc Márquez, explaining the rustic helmet design he’s rocking this week for the Red Bull Grand Prix of the Americas.

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Though the Spaniard has ridden the bumpy Circuit of the Americas track to six straight victories in Austin, even the “King of COTA” had some stern words during the pre-race press conference Thursday when riders were asked about efforts to improve the problems.
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“I checked a little bit, and I know that they did a few modifications,” Márquez said. “They didn’t fix what we asked from the safety commission. In the first practice we will see what is going on with the track.
 
“Of course, this track is quite bumpy. One of the most difficult tracks in this aspect of the calendar. Sometimes it’s disappointing because it’s one of the best layouts. We hope that they did a great job, but tomorrow we will see.”
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In 2017 multiple riders, including Rossi, used the comparison of a motocross track. As for why the bumps exist and why they’re so hard to get rid of, opinions vary. Some point to the presence of F1 and the high downforce cars from that series inflict on the surface. But COTA is far from the only track to host both.
 
The most popular theory is the one that Australian rider Jack Miller of Pramac Racing floated Thursday.
 
“I think it’s got to be something to do with the ground around here,” he said. “It looks like it’s a lot of clay, and if I remember correctly, directly after the first year we were here they had a lot of rain, which could cause it to move.
 
“I’m interested to see the work that they’ve done this year if it’s an improvement or it’s just trying to patch another job and it’s not that great.”

 

 

Austin: Riders doubtful of COTA bump fix
 

 

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Double title runner-up Andrea Dovizioso is among those that are sceptical of how much can be achieved without a full resurfacing.

 
"I'm worried it's not possible to really fix the problem that exists with the track. And that is very bad because I think it's one of the most beautiful tracks in our championship," said the Ducati rider.
 
"The problem is there are bumps everywhere and with the bike it’s very difficult to ride. Not just to be fast. Looks like the asphalt or the dirt under the asphalt moves almost everywhere. So it's difficult to fix if you don’t make a completely new preparation, I think."
As Dovi suggested, while F1 cars are typically blamed for excessive bumps on MotoGP circuits, many feel the geology of the area is the main factor.
 
"It's a great shame because the track is fantastic and also quite new, but suffers a lot about a bumps problem," said Yamaha's Valentino Rossi. "Maybe something happens from below [the surface].
 
"In three or four parts they are very big. In the last years they've tried to do something about the bumps but unfortunately they don’t improve. We have to check tomorrow and we hope that it's better."
"The track itself is not that old, as Vale says," Pramac's Jack Miller added. "We go to many tracks on the calendar that have a lot more years on them and are not that bumpy.
 
"I think it's definitely got to be to do with the ground around here. It looks like a lot of clay and if I remember correctly directly after the first year we were here they had a lot of rain, which could cause it to move.
 
"But the track was bumpy, especially the back straight, and then last year they ground it down and the bumps actually became bigger and longer. So I'm interested to see if the work for this year is an improvement or if it's just trying to patch another job and not that great."

 

 

The Statesman article incorrectly states that "The section including Turns 9, 10 and 11 was fully repaved". In fact, the repave did not include Turns 9 or 11. Only Turn 10 was repaved.
 
As for the Statesman labeling as 'theories' the comments that the bumps might be caused by the soil conditions, that's a fact, not a theory. It's not the weather or F1 cars as COTA continues to suggest LOL.

Edited by AustinF1, 12 April 2019 - 15:49.


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Posted 13 April 2019 - 03:31

Espargaro: "Super Dangerous" COTA "not at the level of MotoGP"
 
Petrucci: COTA is "like a road, with bumps, holes, and everything ... it's unbelievable we are riding here."
 
Crutchlow: COTA bumps are "like jumps ... It's getting stupid now"


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Posted 13 April 2019 - 04:00

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#720 AustinF1

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 15:45

Looks like the Turn 10 surgery was unsuccessful.

 

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#721 ehagar

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 00:52

It pains me to say this, as I like the place (I went last year), but I think they have reached the limit of what is acceptable and should not go back.

 

What sucks is there are no (realistic) alternatives in America.



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Posted 17 April 2019 - 03:48

P!NK, Imagine Dragons named as 2019 F1 Grand Prix concert headliners http://www.kvue.com/...dd-6184723eaacb

 

Note the days of the concerts ... Friday and Saturday rather than Saturday and Sunday.
 
Gotta do something to pad those numbers!

Edited by AustinF1, 17 April 2019 - 05:26.


#723 AustinF1

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 05:08

And it looks like COTA has raised USGP ticket prices again...

 

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#724 RA2

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 07:09

Haas hill has a different pricing? 


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#725 loki

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 07:24

Haas hill has a different pricing? 

The seats will be pretty good for FP2 and Quali but during the race they won't be that good.  Then after it's all over some middle aged Italian guy will come out and start swearing at you...



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Posted 18 April 2019 - 16:05

It pains me to say this, as I like the place (I went last year), but I think they have reached the limit of what is acceptable and should not go back.

Yep. I think it's pretty telling when all three podium riders and the guy who led a lot of the race from the start say the track is in terrible shape. Miller's comments about that are pretty amazing. Says he thought his number was up & he was about to die.

 

 Austin: 'My feet came off' - riders ask for COTA changes

 


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World champion Marc Marquez - who didn't blame the bumps for his fall from the lead of the race - outlined the work needed:
 
"There are three points which are very critical; especially Turn 2, then from 9 to 10, there's a big bump on the kerb, and then the back straight," he said. "These are the most critical points that they need to try to repair for next year."
 
Of those, it was Turn 2 that gave the biggest problem for debut MotoGP winner Alex Rins.
 
"I was suffering a lot at Turn 2. Depends on the line. But mostly at the end of the race when I was going through these bumps I was losing a little bit the front tyre. This starts to be dangerous," said the Suzuki rider.
 
"We already talked on the Safety Commission to do something for next year, because it’s a shame to come here in America on this nice layout and feel all these bumps."
 
Runner-up Valentino Rossi also praised the layout, but added that it's the worst circuit of the year for bumps.
 
"Like Alex said it’s a shame because the track is fantastic, the layout is great, but for the bumps is the worst track in all the season. Also today [in the race] is the same as Friday. We speak in the Safety Commission, but is not easy to fix so I think that we have to take the bumps."
 
Jack Miller, who completed the podium, revealed he suffered a tank-slapping scare in warm-up, similar to those caught on camera for Marquez along the back straight in qualifying.
 
"I almost killed myself this morning down the back straight. I didn’t really understand how Marc had that headshake yesterday [Saturday], but boy I got it this morning on the first lap," said the Australian.
 
"I thought it was game over. Just the wind was a little bit in the wrong spot. It started slapping on me and I literally had no idea what was going on. My feet came off. The brake lever was gone to the handlebar. I had to pull it like six times [to get the pads back to the disc].
 
"Like Alex said, I had the soft front [tyre, for the race] and going into Turn 2 you almost roll off early and have to get back on with the gas to then accelerate over the bumps, otherwise the thing gets all swapped out.
 
"But doing that you’re going through the most crucial part of the corner with the gas on, taking load away from the front. Towards the end of the race, I had three or four times on my elbow there.
 
"We were fortunate today. I think also in the race, to be honest, down the back straight I had quite a good opportunity to pass Cal there on the first lap, but I wasn’t going to pull out and try and pass with the wind and everything because the front wheel is bouncing up and down.
 
"When these bikes come past each other in close quarters, that’s the last thing you want at 340k an hour, 330k an hour. So definitely something needs to be done."
 
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Edited by AustinF1, 18 April 2019 - 16:08.


#727 BRG

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 18:22

Yep. I think it's pretty telling when all three podium riders and the guy who led a lot of the race from the start say the track is in terrible shape. Miller's comments about that are pretty amazing. Says he thought his number was up & he was about to die.

 

 Austin: 'My feet came off' - riders ask for COTA changes

 

And yet, at the start of the highlights show on Ch5 here, the presenter was enthusing about how wonderful the track is and how 'all the riders love it'.  It is sad how broadcasters have to spout the official party line of the promoters.


Edited by BRG, 18 April 2019 - 18:23.


#728 AustinF1

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 09:19

If someone is giving you $25 million and you are required to turn in the correct paperwork to receive it, you better turn in the correct paperwork in on time and have strong processes in place to insure this.  This is definitely a COTA management failure.

Or you just flaunt the law, cry "Unfair!" when it's enforced upon you, and then get a legislator from way out in West Texas to introduce tailor-made legislation changing the law ... retroactively ... so it's like you never effed up in the first place.

 

Wow. These guys...
 
It seems COTA has pushed legislation that would retroactively allow them to collect the ~$25M they lost when they ****ed up their 2018 F1 MERP application. HB 4008 would change the law, effective RETROACTIVELY, to cover COTA's ass on their own failure to comply with the law.
 

 

By: Frullo, Moody, Cyrier, Krause, Rodriguez H.B. No. 4008

 
Substitute the following for H.B. No. 4008:
 
By: Cyrier C.S.H.B. No. 4008
 
 
 
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
 
AN ACT
 
 
relating to plans required to be submitted to be eligible to receive
funding through the Major Events Reimbursement Program.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 5A, Chapter 1507 (S.B. 456), Acts of the
76th Legislature, Regular Session, 1999 (Article 5190.14, Vernon's
Texas Civil Statutes), is amended by amending Subsection (a-1) and
adding Subsection (a-5) to read as follows:
(a-1) An event not listed in Subsection (a)(4) of this
section is ineligible for funding under this section. A listed
event may receive funding through the Major Events Reimbursement
Program under this section only if:
(1) a site selection organization selects a site
located in this state for the event to be held one time or, for an
event scheduled to be held each year for a period of years under an
event contract, or an event support contract, one time each year for
the period of years, after considering, through a highly
competitive selection process, one or more sites that are not
located in this state;
(2) a site selection organization selects a site in
this state as:
(A) the sole site for the event; or
(B) the sole site for the event in a region
composed of this state and one or more adjoining states;
(3) the event is held not more than one time in any
year;
(4) the amount of the incremental increase in tax
receipts determined by the department under Subsection (b) of this
section equals or exceeds $1 million, provided that for an event
scheduled to be held each year for a period of years under an event
contract or event support contract, the incremental increase in tax
receipts shall be calculated as if the event did not occur in the
prior year; and
(5) not later than the 30th day before the first day of
the event, a site selection organization or the organization
hosting the event submits a plan to prevent the trafficking of
persons in connection with the event to the office of the attorney
general, the human trafficking prevention task force established
under Section 402.035, Government Code, and the chief of the Texas
Division of Emergency Management.
(a-5) If the department determines an event is ineligible to
receive funding through the Major Events Reimbursement Program due
solely to a failure to timely submit a plan as required by
Subsection (a-1)(5) of this section, the event may receive funding
through the program if:
(1) the plan required by that subdivision is submitted
to the required entities not later than seven days before the event
begins and is implemented during the event; and
(2) all other requirements for funding under this
section, including those imposed by Subsections (d-1) and (w) of
this section, are satisfied not later than the 60th day after the
last day of the fiscal year in which the event occurs, provided
submission of the plan required by Subsection (a-1)(5) of this
section was not previously required under this section for that
event.
SECTION 2. This Act applies to an event that occurs before,
on, or after the effective date of this Act.
SECTION 3. This Act takes effect immediately if it receives
a vote of two-thirds of all the members elected to each house, as
provided by Section 39, Article III, Texas Constitution. If this
Act does not receive the vote necessary for immediate effect, this
Act takes effect on the 90th day after the last day of the
legislative session.

 


Edited by AustinF1, 09 May 2019 - 10:16.


#729 paulb

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 11:06

Sad. Not trying to hide anything are they? You wonder what went on in the back rooms to get this done...



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Posted 14 May 2019 - 18:05



You wonder what went on in the back rooms to get this done...

NY Times via AP's Jim Vertuno: Within days after being denied the 2018 payout of the $25M subsidy for F1, Epstein Donated Almost $100K to Texas Governor, Lt. Governor, & Lawmakers & is now Seeking Legislation to Force Retroactive Payment of same $25M Subsidy...
 
 

 


Circuit of the Americas President Bobby Epstein, who also founded the investment firm Prophet Capital, has pumped about $100,000 in campaign donations to state officials and lawmakers in the six months since the 2018 race, including donations to Gov. Greg Abbott, whose office controls the fund, and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who presides over the Senate.
 
Other donations went to several lawmakers who sit on committees that first considered the bill or live in districts near the racetrack. Epstein did not immediately return messages seeking comment Thursday.
 
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State law requires applicants to submit an anti-human trafficking plan 30 days before an event as part of an effort to combat spikes in prostitution. U.S. Grand Prix organizers didn't file their plan until 11 days before the 2018 race and were disqualified for reimbursement. Within weeks, Epstein donated $50,000 to Abbott and $25,000 to Patrick, and donated nearly $13,000 to members of the committees considering the bill.
 
The bill doesn't name the Circuit of the Americas or the U.S. Grand Prix, but it specifically carves out a second chance to apply for events that miss the 30-day deadline for the anti-human trafficking plan if it gets filed seven days prior, and is used during the event. Both of those details apply to the Austin race.

 

 


Edited by AustinF1, 14 May 2019 - 18:55.


#731 paulb

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 19:15

Well there you go. ):

 

Bobby could be getting one hell of an ROI on his "campaign contributions".

 

Thanks for the info, AustinF1. Politicians still suck.



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Posted 14 May 2019 - 19:22

It’s good news! This means the Austin GP - one of the best venues in recently years - stays on.

You’re kidding yourself if you think an entirely privately funded operations can be profitable in the US with 0 mass appeal, poor TV/media contract and lack of talented American drivers.

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 19:31

It’s good news! This means the Austin GP - one of the best venues in recently years - stays on.

You’re kidding yourself if you think an entirely privately funded operations can be profitable in the US with 0 mass appeal, poor TV/media contract and lack of talented American drivers.

Good news, I guess, if you're only concerned with having a GP nearby.



#734 red stick

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 20:36

I'm going to play devil's advocate here.  It was a chickensh!t penalty.  Moreover, the penalty suffered is grossly disproportionate to the imagined good having a "plan" would offer to tackle the issue it's purportedly designed to address.  Why not fix* it?.

 

 

 

 

 

* You may use any definition of "fix" you believe appropriate here--what a gloriously ambiguously useful word!  :cool:



#735 AustinF1

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 21:46

I'm going to play devil's advocate here.  It was a chickensh!t penalty.  Moreover, the penalty suffered is grossly disproportionate to the imagined good having a "plan" would offer to tackle the issue it's purportedly designed to address.  Why not fix* it?.

 

* You may use any definition of "fix" you believe appropriate here--what a gloriously ambiguously useful word!  :cool:

I don't have a strong opinion about the necessity of the law that was added to the MERP statute, but it was added, and COTA didn't comply with it for whatever reason. The law said that if the requirements aren't met, the State cannot legally pay the subsidy. COTA knew about the law and had previously complied with it for the 2018 MotoGP race, but somehow managed to forget about it when applying for the biggest subsidy they receive. When a normal Joe or Jane fails to comply with the law or falls afoul of it in some other way, they can't just jump into their "Legislative Time Machine" & pay off a few of the right people to go back and change the law retroactively, allowing them to **** up and still get away with it. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.



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Posted 15 May 2019 - 00:00

Seems to me that there should be a deadline and a penalty that starts at $10K/day before ramping up to $1M/day until the full value of the kickback is covered. Flexibility for the incompetent, full credit for the competent, deadlines mean deadlines. 



#737 loki

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 03:09

Wow. These guys...

 

 

I know, right.  It's not like Jerry Jones, Bruton Smith, the McNairs or Jim Crane has done anything like that...  Oh wait a minute, Jerry Jones and Bruton makes Epstein look like a school kid compared to the sweetheart deals they get from state and local governments.   The McNairs and Crane aren't far behind.  Far, far worse things have happened in TX politics than getting some money retroactively that would have been awarded anyway except for some mistake. 



#738 AustinF1

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 03:29

I know, right. It's not like Jerry Jones, Bruton Smith, the McNairs or Jim Crane has done anything like that... Oh wait a minute, Jerry Jones and Bruton makes Epstein look like a school kid compared to the sweetheart deals they get from state and local governments. The McNairs and Crane aren't far behind. Far, far worse things have happened in TX politics than getting some money retroactively that would have been awarded anyway except for some mistake.

Ah, yes. The old "Other people do shady or illegal stuff & get away with it, so why bother to even mention it when others do shady or illegal stuff?" argument.

Edited by AustinF1, 15 May 2019 - 03:39.


#739 loki

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 05:50

Ah, yes. The old "Other people do shady or illegal stuff & get away with it, so why bother to even mention it when others do shady or illegal stuff?" argument.

That's not the argument at all.  This is the only guy you rail against.  Again.  And again.  And again.  Were you really are disgusted with that sort of behavior you should at least acknowledge it happens to a greater degree by others in your state for greater amounts of money.  But it's not really about that is it?  This is about Hellmund being run off the project.  Tavo has picked himself up and moved on.  You should too...



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#740 AustinF1

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 06:04

That's not the argument at all.  This is the only guy you rail against.  Again.  And again.  And again.  Were you really are disgusted with that sort of behavior you should at least acknowledge it happens to a greater degree by others in your state for greater amounts of money.  But it's not really about that is it?  This is about Hellmund being run off the project.  Tavo has picked himself up and moved on.  You should too...

I don't know what Tavo's doing, but this isn't about Tavo. It's about COTA.

 

You might have noticed this is a COTA thread. Talk of the indiscretions of Jerry Jones or Jim Crane or the McNairs would not only be off-topic in this thread but throughout this entire site. I don't know what those supposed indiscretions may or may not be, but I doubt any of those folks have received anything like $200M from the State of Texas, no matter how they may have done it.

 

That leaves Bruton Smith, whose TMS would also be off-topic in this thread. I don't know what he's done wrong either. He recently started trying to tap the MERP too, after seeing how much milk COTA's pulled from that teet. TMS can probably make at least as good of a case as COTA for that money. But if you know of the bad deeds these guys have done, then by all means, start a thread about them. If he's pulling shady ****, then hammer him. I'm all for it. In the meantime, I live in Austin and know about COTA, so that's what I'll post about. Don't like it? Yeah I really don't give a ****.

 

I acknowledge that this kind of thing has happened before and will continue to happen. I don't see how that changes anything or indicates that I should ignore this. I can't see everything or be everywhere or object to every wrong everywhere... so I'll just continue to concern myself with what I know about.


Edited by AustinF1, 15 May 2019 - 08:11.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 17:29

OBTW, the COTA legislation died, 2 or 3 times apparently. It sailed through the House and then died in the Senate. Then they piggybacked onto some related legislation and Jane Nelson, the author of that legislation, was so put off by it that she let hers die in a conference committee rather than put it through with COTA's legislation attached to it.

 

You can bet COTA's not giving up on it though. They'll probably find some way to get that money.

 

https://www.statesma...e-at-25-million

 
BTW there's an error at the end of the article. The author wrote "For the 2018 U.S. Grand Prix, which attracted more than 101,000 people including an estimated 63,000 from out of state from Oct. 19-21, the track asked for $25,872,004 from the state, according to its application for reimbursement."
 
The 101,000 people referenced there is a pre-race attendance estimate by COTA. It is not the amount of people that actually attended the race. 
 
COTA had to submit that pre-race estimate as part of the MERP application process. That estimate is used to set the amount of the subsidy COTA receives for the race. It's supposed to be followed up with an Attendance Certification after the race, in which COTA gives their estimate of how many people actually attended the race. Since COTA failed to follow the requirements of the statute and never got paid for that race, COTA's Attendance Certification has not yet been made public, so we don't know how many people they estimate were in attendance for the 2018 USGP.

Edited by AustinF1, 03 June 2019 - 17:41.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 20:12

And I had to LOL at Joe Saward getting it wrong when he posted about this story, spewing incorrect "facts" as usual. He incorrectly reported that the F1 USGP "has been saved", when the legislation had only passed through the Texas House & still needed Senate approval. It then sat in committee in the Senate and died before piggybacking onto Nelson's bill and getting the axe from her. Hell, I don't think the race was ever in jeopardy over this in the first place. It certainly shouldn't be...

 
It's funny that he mentioned how this hadn't gotten much coverage, but didn't bother talk about where the story came from in the first place. There were ZERO stories about this until I and a couple others started talking about it & I tweeted it to Jim Vertuno of the AP. Vertuno then said he wanted to look into it and then wrote the story that everyone began re-posting, which is the reason Joe jumped in & posted about it too.
 

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Edited by AustinF1, 03 June 2019 - 20:13.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 22:31


OBTW, the COTA legislation died, 2 or 3 times apparently. It sailed through the House and then died in the Senate. Then they piggybacked onto some related legislation and Jane Nelson, the author of that legislation, was so put off by it that she let hers die in a conference committee rather than put it through with COTA's legislation attached to it.

You can bet COTA's not giving up on it though. They'll probably find some way to get that money.

https://www.statesma...e-at-25-million

BTW there's an error at the end of the article. The author wrote "For the 2018 U.S. Grand Prix, which attracted more than 101,000 people including an estimated 63,000 from out of state from Oct. 19-21, the track asked for $25,872,004 from the state, according to its application for reimbursement."

The 101,000 people referenced there is a pre-race attendance estimate by COTA. It is not the amount of people that actually attended the race.

COTA had to submit that pre-race estimate as part of the MERP application process. That estimate is used to set the amount of the subsidy COTA receives for the race. It's supposed to be followed up with an Attendance Certification after the race, in which COTA gives their estimate of how many people actually attended the race. Since COTA failed to follow the requirements of the statute and never got paid for that race, COTA's Attendance Certification has not yet been made public, so we don't know how many people they estimate were in attendance for the 2018 USGP.

Is that attendance figure supposed to be race day, or the whole event?

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 00:39

Is that attendance figure supposed to be race day, or the whole event?

It's a pre-race estimate of Sunday-only attendance. In 2016 & 2017 (by their own estimation) COTA came in around 10-15% below their pre-race estimates,  



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Posted 06 July 2019 - 03:28

RIP Don Haywood, owner of iconic Haywood's Hill near COTA


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Posted 06 July 2019 - 14:25

 

RIP Don Haywood, owner of iconic Haywood's Hill near COTA

 

Sad to see a much too young death of a man who rolled with the changes around him to his advantage. I hope his widow is able to keep it going. Should she choose to sell, the track would be smart to buy it and make it a lowest cost point camping and viewing area named "Haywood's Hill". 



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Posted 06 July 2019 - 19:46

Sad to see a much too young death of a man who rolled with the changes around him to his advantage. I hope his widow is able to keep it going. Should she choose to sell, the track would be smart to buy it and make it a lowest cost point camping and viewing area named "Haywood's Hill". 

Yep. Having known him, I can tell you that Don was a good man.

 

Re: the bold above, that would be great, but I don't see Epstein making it more affordable than the other camping areas. That property has much better views than any camping area/RV lot currently at COTA. He's more likely to charge a premium than to make it cheap, imho. It's apparently been gnawing at him over the years that the Haywoods made a little money allowing people to tent camp or park their RVs there, so much so that he's had tarps hung along the fence that borders the Haywood property, to obstruct the view.

 

I have no idea what will happen with the property going forward. Who knows. Maybe it'll stay as is in the shorter term. That relationship has been contentious at best from what I can tell. They didn't want a track in their back yard, or to be almost completely surrounded by COTA, having their street access and water supply disrupted and threatened, etc. The wanted a quiet place to retire. They've just been making lemonade from the lemons Epstein gave them. But wewillsee...


Edited by AustinF1, 06 July 2019 - 21:06.


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 16:55

Epstein's still at it, doing everything he can to block any competition from the new MLS team and their much better-located venue.

 

With almost $400K in anti-MLS donations to Fair Play Austin, Bobby Epstein has nearly doubled his investment in derailing the Austin FC MLS team & Stadium. The only other donor gave $25.
 
 

In the past nine months, Epstein has given $384,612 to the effort. Besides a $25 donation from the PAC’s treasurer, Epstein is the sole donor.


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 17:03

Yeah, America is scared of how popular soccer may become.

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 17:26

Yeah, America is scared of how popular soccer may become.

Baseball is scared of how popular soccer may become. Baseball has an aging fanbase (Formula 1, also). 

 

Soccer has a young and diverse fanbase.

 

A good portion of MLS fans rather dislike the MLS team setting up shop across town in Austin, because of the operational shenanigans alleged against the owners (essentially, alleged to have ceased promotion of the Columbus franchise to bolster an argument of it being a weak soccer market, to get support to move to Austin). The Austin Bold (Epstein's franchise) was under development with stadium plans at COTA, giving it more dates of operating income, and intended to apply for MLS membership. It has instead settled for 2nd Division status. But, there's reason to wonder if the new Austin MLS franchise will be a success, particularly with the Austin Bold having more substantial local ties and Austinites appearing to care a good bit about that. (Austin MLS franchise is owned by a distant California owner nicknamed 'fratboi' by haters, including me, on soccer discussion forums.)