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#151 HeadFirst

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 04:43

 

11am Kickoff announced for Texas-Kansas State football game in Austin on USGP Weekend.
 

 

 

Texas is suffering from the competition in the Big 12 this year, but y'all do love your football. Isn't the big rivalry with the Sooners anyway.



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#152 AustinF1

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 04:50

Texas is suffering from the competition in the Big 12 this year, but y'all do love your football. Isn't the big rivalry with the Sooners anyway.

Yep. Er, well, what we're suffering from the most is the horrific gutting that Mack Brown did to the program before being forced out. The cupboard was as bare as I've ever seen here. Beating up on the sooners helped our feelings quite a bit. I think, given another year or so, Charlie will have us right back where we need to be. /ot

 

Re: the KSU game, it will be interesting to see what the crowds are like on Saturday at COTA when folks have to pick between the two events.


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#153 AustinF1

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 04:54

Maybe my favorite ever potential COTA layout (by a fan on the Motorsport Mayhem board)...Pure greatness in every way, imho, except I'd run it the other direction I think...

 

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#154 teejay

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 04:55

Senna Hall of Fame Collection debuts Oct 21 at COTA’s Downtown Austin Paddock:

http://www.circuitof...ront-october-21

 

I'll give you a sweet tenner if you steal me one of the signed items of clothing

 

I kid, but wow, would kill to see that. 



#155 charly0418

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 06:43

I'll be going to the Buxton event Thursday, looks better than the forum I think. See ya guys there



#156 AustinF1

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 13:30

COTA 'the best overtaking circuit' - Ricciardo - F1i.com:

http://en.f1i.com/ne...kcut7O0.twitter



#157 AustinF1

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 14:31

Starting to look like a wet USGP weekend...

 

http://www.weather.c...l/USTX0057:1:US



#158 charly0418

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 19:59

Nice! Ive never been to a wet F1 session :clap:

 

I'd actually welcome it

 

(The qualifying session of course, in practice the cars dont come out :( )


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#159 Marklar

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 20:59

Starting to look like a wet USGP weekend...
 
http://www.weather.c...l/USTX0057:1:US

Not again a friday washout...

I also saw an different forecast which predicted even rain on sunday. In fact heavier than on friday actually.

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#160 Marklar

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 05:46

No idea, where to post this, but lol

COTA ‏@circuitamericas
Snuck a peek at #EltonJohn's setlist for the #F1 #USGP concert. Interesting choices. #COTA
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Thats the Trophy

CReCsDWUAAE1LSQ.jpgGood enough for Lewis?

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#161 BRG

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 16:26

Thats the Trophy

CReCsDWUAAE1LSQ.jpgGood enough for Lewis?

It's the proper original  trophy for the race isn't it?  Not some cheap plastic piece of crap that the sponsor has provided instead of the historic Grand Prix trophy that Fangio, Clark and the other greats won?  If so, it will be perfect for Lewis.



#162 Marklar

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 16:31

Was a rhetorical question :p

#163 BRG

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 16:33

It was a philosophical answer.



#164 AustinF1

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Posted 18 October 2015 - 15:16

Forecast not looking much better yet... 90% chance of rain Thursday, 85% Friday, 50% Saturday, 25% Sunday

 

http://www.wundergro...uery=austin, tx



#165 Marklar

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Posted 18 October 2015 - 15:28

Forecast not looking much better yet... 90% chance of rain Thursday, 85% Friday, 50% Saturday, 25% Sunday

 

http://www.wundergro...uery=austin, tx

According to that....

 

FP1: 69-81 %

FP2: 62-65 %

FP3: 44-51 %

Q: 33-54 %

R: 4-5%

 

Why is always the friday wet? WHY?



#166 AustinF1

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Posted 18 October 2015 - 15:36

The shuttle options bear repeating, in case anyone missed it who wants to ride the convention center shuttle. Today is the Deadline to buy $10 Standard #USGP Shuttle tickets!! After today, only the $25 Express Shuttle will be available.
 


#167 AustinF1

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Posted 18 October 2015 - 15:36

According to that....

 

FP1: 69-81 %

FP2: 62-65 %

FP3: 44-51 %

Q: 33-54 %

R: 4-5%

 

Why is always the friday wet? WHY?

Yeah, I don't mind a wet race. I hope that shifts more toward the race if there must be rain.



#168 AustinF1

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 15:34

Forecast getting wetter...

 

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Here's another from weather underground... http://www.wundergro...uery=austin, tx

Rain chances...

Thu:  95%

Fri: 95%

Sat: 85%

Sun: 35%



#169 loki

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 17:33

Aren't those the regular TX afternoon thundershowers that blow through in a relatively short period?  If so it's a good chance that when that does happen they won't be able to use the track anyway.  Those storms can dump a lot of rain in a short time.



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Posted 19 October 2015 - 18:09

If it looks like rain on Sunday they'll have to go out on Friday, so all good

#171 HeadFirst

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 18:22

I like this track alot, I would prefer NO RAIN all weekend.



#172 AustinF1

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 18:39

Aren't those the regular TX afternoon thundershowers that blow through in a relatively short period?  If so it's a good chance that when that does happen they won't be able to use the track anyway.  Those storms can dump a lot of rain in a short time.

Hard to tell what these will be like. Looks like forecasters are pretty sure there will be a lot of rain over a few days though. 


Edited by AustinF1, 19 October 2015 - 18:40.


#173 Risil

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 20:29

The rain at the 6 hour race last year was terrifying for someone used to Euro drizzle. Not sure what I feel about F1 encountering a deluge like that.


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#174 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 20:39

If it looks like rain on Sunday they'll have to go out on Friday, so all good

 

Wrong. If the entire weekend looks wet they'll do minimal running on Friday so they can keep as many inters/wets back for quali and the race in particular.



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Posted 19 October 2015 - 20:46

Are we getting a proper build up thread? I did one a year or so back and got a couple seasons back and got an  'oh, I was going to do that :(' response so now is your chance.



#176 charly0418

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 20:50

dooo eeeet



#177 AustinF1

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 21:02

Are we getting a proper build up thread? I did one a year or so back and got a couple seasons back and got an  'oh, I was going to do that :(' response so now is your chance.

Me? Or someone else? I don't remember saying that. But I am getting old, so.... ;)

 

I do remember starting one prematurely though (insert joke here, I guess). I'm not really the guy for a proper race or buildup thread, not by this board's standards. Not that creative! I'm sure someone else can do it justice though.



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Posted 19 October 2015 - 21:04

Just fill it with lots of references to dishwater, that's the new hot thing to do round here.



#179 Marklar

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 21:14

Me? Or someone else? I don't remember saying that. But I am getting old, so....  ;)

 

I do remember starting one prematurely though (insert joke here, I guess). I'm not really the guy for a proper race or buildup thread, not by this board's standards. Not that creative! I'm sure someone else can do it justice though.

You've responded, so you have to do it  ;)



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#180 scheivlak

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 21:33

Wrong. If the entire weekend looks wet they'll do minimal running on Friday so they can keep as many inters/wets back for quali and the race in particular.

When Friday is wet, everybody gets an extra set of inters.



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Posted 19 October 2015 - 21:37

Are we getting a proper build up thread? I did one a year or so back and got a couple seasons back and got an  'oh, I was going to do that :(' response so now is your chance.

If I do (another) one everyone will be yelling to give someone else a chance...



#182 SophieB

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 21:43

I'll do it.



#183 Marklar

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 21:50

I'll do it.

 

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

As this seems to be the 'who will make the OP' thread, does someone else wants to make the race day thread this time?



#184 AustinF1

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 02:07

I'll do it.

:up:  :kiss:



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Posted 20 October 2015 - 06:46

When Friday is wet, everybody gets an extra set of inters.

 

Which is no good if the track is too wet for inters.......



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Posted 29 October 2015 - 02:44

Epstein: Weather + Mexico GP add up  to ‘tough weekend’, big losses for Austin’s USGP... https://shar.es/151Rvz



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Posted 29 October 2015 - 03:52

Not liking this.....



#188 loki

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 04:24

There's the reason for Ecclestone spouting about a west coast race.



#189 AustinF1

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 04:28

There's the reason for Ecclestone spouting about a west coast race.

...and the stuff in Russia. I said then that that wasn't about the U.S. so much as it was a shot across COTA's bow. Looks to me like Epstein's looking for a way out.



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Posted 29 October 2015 - 14:54

Prompted by this post in the thread about the upcoming Mexican Grand Prix:

 

 


p.s it is nowhere near as dull as yas marina, for the simple fact that you CAN see trees  :mad:

 

I wonder why the landscape around the track in Austin is so barren. Is it impossible to put some trees in the ground there?

 

Having objects near the track does wonders for both the atmosphere and the sense of speed, after all.


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Posted 29 October 2015 - 15:24

Some easy stuff they can do to attract more fans:

 

- Open the damn pit walk to everyone with a 3 day ticket, seriously, only Mexico and COTA dont do this, its ********

- Shuttles need to be faster loading people, like way faster

- Better parking spaces, too much grass ones



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Posted 29 October 2015 - 15:38

Prompted by this post in the thread about the upcoming Mexican Grand Prix:

 

 

 

I wonder why the landscape around the track in Austin is so barren. Is it impossible to put some trees in the ground there?

 

Having objects near the track does wonders for both the atmosphere and the sense of speed, after all.

When trying to get the endorsement they needed from the city of Austin (that they needed in order to be considered eligible for $30+M/year in Texas state funding) COTA agreed to a condition put forth by the city that they plant 800+ trees around the circuit. They've planted a few around the Grand Plaza, but that's about it. It would seem they're only worried about the fans' comfort when they're buying stuff. The city doesn't seem interested in enforcing the conditions they set forth, so I guess that was all just political, green lip service. In the sun, this circuit desperately needs shade, and in a rainy event, it desperately needs some form of shelter. I've experienced both, and it's no fun. I got caught out in the open on the biggest wave of Saturday's storm, with nowhere to hide in 70 mph winds, heavy rain, and lightning. Kinda scary 20 minutes. The trees would help with shade but not so much with shelter. Those big pole/tarp shade structures like you see at amusement parks and the like wouldn't be too expensive and would help with both shade and shelter in a more normal rain. But we won't see either under this management.

Some easy stuff they can do to attract more fans:

 

- Open the damn pit walk to everyone with a 3 day ticket, seriously, only Mexico and COTA dont do this, its ********

- Shuttles need to be faster loading people, like way faster

- Better parking spaces, too much grass ones

Re: the Pit Lane, doesn't F1 control that? Or does that start on Friday?

 

Re: Parking: The original plans called for a rubber/plastic mesh to be laid down in the parking areas to reinforce the ground while allowing the grass to grow back and cover it up. This mesh is made for the expressed purpose of allowing green lots to be used in the rain without the repercussions we saw this weekend (cars getting stuck by the hundreds). Epstein chose to forego this option, instead spending nearly $50M on things like the tower. He also cut out permanent team buildings, proper Euro-style wiring in the garages for the teams, permanent electrical power to the support paddock, many permanent restrooms around the track, at least one pedestrian bridge over the track (which is sorely needed), and lots of other things. Id say that mesh could also be put to good use in some of the spectator areas as well. I've said since opening that the place would be a disaster when faced with big crowds and a lot of rain, which we tend to get fairly often. In retrospect it looks like that decision to save a little bit of money cost him a LOT in the long term, as they could have kept all those lots open this weekend.

 

Shuttles: It seemed like the first year or two they had a plan to load/unload multiple shuttles at the same time. I don't know what happened to that. Most likely it has something to do with how understaffed COTA has been running the last few races in terms of their temporary personnel staffing.


Edited by AustinF1, 29 October 2015 - 17:53.


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Posted 29 October 2015 - 15:48

When trying to get the endorsement they needed from the city of Austin (that they needed in order to be considered eligible for $30+M/year in Texas state funding) COTA agreed to a condition put forth by the city that they plant 800+ trees around the circuit. They've planted a few around the Grand Plaza, but that's about it. It would seem they're only worried about the fans' comfort when they're buying stuff. The city doesn't seem interested in enforcing the conditions they set forth, so I guess that was all just political, green lip service. In the sun, this circuit desperately needs shade, and in a rainy event, it desperately needs some form of shelter. I've experienced both, and it's no fun. I got caught out in the open on the biggest wave of Saturday's storm, with nowhere to hide in 70 mph winds, heavy rain, and lightning. Kinda scary 20 minutes. The trees would help with shade but not so much with shelter. Those big pole/tarp shade structures like you see at amusement parks and the like wouldn't be too expensive and would help with both shade and shelter in a more normal rain. But we won't see either under this management.

Re: the Pit Lane, doesn't F1 control that? Or does that start on Friday?

 

Re: Parking: The original plans called for a rubber/plastic mesh to be laid down in the parking areas to reinforce the ground while allowing the grass to grow back and cover it up. This mesh is made for the express purpose of allowing green lots to be used in the rain without the repercussions we saw this weekend (cars getting stuck by the hundreds). Epstein chose to forego this option, instead spending nearly $50M on things like the tower. He also cut out many permanent bathrooms, at least one pedestrian bridge over the track (which is sorely needed), and lots of other things. Id say that mesh could also be put to good use in some of the spectator areas as well. I've said since opening that the place would be a disaster when faced with big crowds and a lot of rain, which we tend to get fairly often.

 

Shuttles: It seemed like the first year or two they had a plan to load/unload multiple shuttles at the same time. I don't know what happened to that. Most likely it has something to do with how understaffed COTA has been running the last few races in terms of their temporary personnel staffing.

 

Pit Lane access on Thursday is controlled by the track itself



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Posted 29 October 2015 - 15:50

Pit Lane access on Thursday is controlled by the track itself

Gotcha. That makes sense too, now that I think about it, since at COTA the Thursday Pit Walk is for PSL holders only. Fits with Epstein's plan to cater to exclusivity, too. So when the fans were allowed in the pit lane on Saturday at COTA, that was Bernie letting them in. That's what I thought.


Edited by AustinF1, 29 October 2015 - 15:51.


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Posted 29 October 2015 - 16:25

Epstein: Weather + Mexico GP add up  to ‘tough weekend’, big losses for Austin’s USGP... https://shar.es/151Rvz

Do they really sell that much during the days? I mean, they got the money for the tickets regardless of people showing up, and it's not like they lost much money on people not buying tickets at the gate. Before the prices was this high, and it was allowed to move more freely, I could understand that a rainy day ruined income chances, but this much, nowadays? 



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Posted 29 October 2015 - 16:37

Jebus...I had just almost finished this long response to your post & had to hit backspace. Sent my browser back to the last page and I lost the whole thing. Infuriating.

 

So, anyway, yeah, I think it's conceivable that they lost millions with the small crowds the first two days. Their on-track permanent concessions are very high priced and we've been told the track takes 40% off the top of the private vendors' receipts. That's a main reason there's so much turnover of the private vendors with fewer & fewer of them coming back from year to year. Many people noted the lack of 'food trucks' this year. That 40% 'COTA tax' is probably a major reason. It makes it awfully hard for them to turn a profit.

 

But if you're asking if the concessions loss was the biggest loss for them this weekend, then I'd say I seriously doubt it was.

 

They did claim to have 224k people in attendance for the weekend though, so it would seem hard to lose so much on concessions under those circumstances.


Edited by AustinF1, 30 October 2015 - 03:03.


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Posted 29 October 2015 - 20:24

That high a concession cut isn't out of the ordinary.  That's one of the reasons that events like that have high prices.  When the weather is bad like that concession sales drop drastically.  They lost a bunch of money, or rather were never able to capture it.  If they want to break the deal it's pretty easy.    Declare bankruptcy, find another entity (for example Live Nation) to buy it out and cancel the contracts.  They may even be able to file Chapter 11 to get the contract voided and stay operating.  I'll guarantee that the contract wasn't backed by personal assets.  It's not how those guys work.  When it stops being advantageous to McCombs and Epstein to host the race they'll jettison it and do it in a way that doesn't harm them financially in a personal way.



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Posted 29 October 2015 - 20:39

Also I gotta add, reading the US newspapers on Monday was depressing, barely any coverage of the F1 race. That never helps



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Posted 29 October 2015 - 20:50

That high a concession cut isn't out of the ordinary.  That's one of the reasons that events like that have high prices.  When the weather is bad like that concession sales drop drastically.  They lost a bunch of money, or rather were never able to capture it.  If they want to break the deal it's pretty easy.    Declare bankruptcy, find another entity (for example Live Nation) to buy it out and cancel the contracts.  They may even be able to file Chapter 11 to get the contract voided and stay operating.  I'll guarantee that the contract wasn't backed by personal assets.  It's not how those guys work.  When it stops being advantageous to McCombs and Epstein to host the race they'll jettison it and do it in a way that doesn't harm them financially in a personal way.

No, all I'm saying is with (supposedly) 224K people on site for the weekend, it would seem hard to lose that much on the concessions. Most of the people out there are in the rain all day anyway, as the only shelter is in the Main GS or in one of the Cantinas that give a cut to COTA anyway, and those were packed to the gills all the time because of the bad weather.

 

No doubt they lost money this weekend, but it wasn't just because of concessions, Mexico, or the weather as Epstein's trying to paint it. The announced attendance is highly suspect and they've lost money hand over fist since they opened. One way to lose a lot of money on concessions is by not having many people there. Tickets were wide open on their Ticketmaster page right up til the race and a local ticket broker says demand was way down well before the weather forecasts turned bad.

 

It looks to me like someone's looking for a face-saving way out, and/or better bankruptcy terms. As for the major investors taking personal responsibility for the FOM fee, one would hope not, but Bernie's no fool either, so we will see. He stuck it in pretty good when they had to renegotiate after they broke the 'friends & family' deal Hellmund got them.



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Posted 29 October 2015 - 21:35

I don't think either McCombs or Epstein are concerned with saving face.  Looking at past deals they've been know to hold when they think they have something good or bail if it cost them too much or they don't see a future.