83 replies to this topic

[Murl]

Isn't it now officially the "Bernie lets take this circus to every third rate dictatorship with no interest in motorsport and ignore all the worthy countries all for the sake of bottom line championship"?

 

 

Yes!

 

No soul, sold it.

How about a little thing along these lines:
 

Races awarded to the countries that have the most number of drivers competing in their local/national competitions.

 

Recognise the sporting nature of the world championship by having races vistied on the countries of the world that race the most.

 

[Murl]

remove all buttons from steering wheel...

 

 

And remove car to pit telemetry.

 

Just drive the thing.

 

(let the pits bug the crap out of the driver over the radio though... )

[The Kanisteri]

I see some of you suggesting things which are challenging safety issues of car and motorsport over all. Some people would even want 60's F1 cars back with passion some wish Soviet Union to come back and save us all.

 

However,

 

I would make F1 better allowing more testing and developing cars and their engines. Right now Ferrari and Renault powered cars are quite teethless against Mercedes due engine developing is not allowed. I'm not taking glory out from Mercedes since they did better job than Renault and Ferrari, but banning development of engines for several years will ensure next few years F1 championship are won by Mercedes powered cars due no real competition.

 

I also would reform point system in scale every finishline crossing car would get points (for example: a) if no retirements 22nd driver would get point. b) if one retirement, 21st - as last - will get 2 points.)

 

I remember in early 90's we had basic F1 rules quite unchnaged for years. Now it feels, rules, qualification methods etc are changed annually.

[MrMan]

Give the drivers a sports button for when they're feeling a bit fruity, stiffen up the suspension, increased throttle response and turn the steering dials and display red!

[Donkey]

Liveries definitely need to be improved, some pretty dull and uninspired liveries this year. They were so much better in the 90s/early 00s (ok I know much of that was tobacco sponsorship fagpack liveries, but still, they looked good!)

[Ksharp]

No buttons and no telemetry certainly means this: 

 

Thanks, but no thanks. 

F1 needs to work in three directions: getting closer to the fans, cost efficiency and engine development. 
And allowing all kinds of sponsors on the cars. Too much political correctness is too much. I don't care if Marlboro wants to put a cowboy on F14T or Williams with a nice shiny bottle of Martini. 

[Fastcake]

There's always people who want tobacco companies sponsoring F1 again in these threads, but you guys do know it's the law that ended it right? Even Bernie couldn't donate enough to the Labour Party to stop cigarette sports sponsorship from being outlawed. Best to stick to things that F1 could conceivably achieve, even if some are completely impracticable.

[Risil]

TV pundits trolling other TV pundits on live telly.

 

Bumpier race surfaces.

 

Monaco Celebrity Race.

 

Team Manager Charity Boxing.

 

Getting rid of the lights and starting races with the national flags.

 

Teams running as many cars as they like.

 

Easier paddock access for paying fans.

[purpleturtle]

My ideas:

 

Refuelling banned for safety reasons? Lack of strategy during races?

- Bring in battery changes during races. Will get that dynamic strategic element f1 is lacking back. Makes F1 relevant - battery capacity is a problem in many crucial industries.

 

Cars too easy to drive?

- Double the torque of the PUs (and find some other way to limit top speed). This shouldn't affect safety greatly, but will make the cars a challenge out of corners.

 

Cars look too similar? Not enough creative freedom for designers?

- Increase the size of front and rear wings dramatically (length, height and depth) and completely un-restrict design of these. F1s stand out with other series is aerodynamics, and if the cars look significantly different, then spectators will have a spectacle. To counteract speed increase, create a standard piece of bodywork which produces tremendous drag and no downforce to counterbalance the increase in speed. Should also save cost as chassis re-design won't be fundamental to aerodynamic improvement benefits.

 

Anyone have any other suggestions?

[Otaku]

- It's not a show, it's a sport.... or used to be anyways.

- The best way to "improve the show" is not trying to improve it.

[Leprechau]

You're registered since 2004 and only have 179 posts?

Well, welcome back but I have to tell you that a lot of threads like this already exists in here.

I do agree F1 is on the dire straits but it's better to keep it all in an unified topic.

[ViMaMo]

Can't blame the sport when Renault, Ferrari, Honda bring in inferior engines compared to Mercedes. 

Can't blame Mercedes for getting it right.

 

What I would have liked to see FIA do is allow 1 year of unlimted developement before freezing the designs. 

[pacwest]

You're registered since 2004 and only have 179 posts?

Well, welcome back but I have to tell you that a lot of threads like this already exists in here.

I do agree F1 is on the dire straits but it's better to keep it all in an unified topic.

 

 

Post count is irrelevant. 

 

Back on topic, make it less of a "show" and more of a motorsport based around a set of rules designed to make it the pinnacle of racing. This bitching from Red Bull is exactly what I like to see. Teams that get it right get fat and lazy, then start to lose. Teams that lose get hungry. Circle of life.

[danke]

My ideas:

 

Refuelling banned for safety reasons? Lack of strategy during races?

- Bring in battery changes during races. Will get that dynamic strategic element f1 is lacking back. Makes F1 relevant - battery capacity is a problem in many crucial industries.

 

Cars too easy to drive?

- Double the torque of the PUs (and find some other way to limit top speed). This shouldn't affect safety greatly, but will make the cars a challenge out of corners.

 

Cars look too similar? Not enough creative freedom for designers?

- Increase the size of front and rear wings dramatically (length, height and depth) and completely un-restrict design of these. F1s stand out with other series is aerodynamics, and if the cars look significantly different, then spectators will have a spectacle. To counteract speed increase, create a standard piece of bodywork which produces tremendous drag and no downforce to counterbalance the increase in speed. Should also save cost as chassis re-design won't be fundamental to aerodynamic improvement benefits.

 

Anyone have any other suggestions?

I think they need to bring back refueling strategies. It was so fun back then. And bring back the V8!!!

[Craven Morehead]

How to improve the show? Put Fernando in the second Mercedes and let him & Lewis have at it for a season.

[Massa]

I think they need to bring back refueling strategies. It was so fun back then. And bring back the V8!!!

 

 

Fun? It was awful.

[Dalton007]

Best way to improve the show is for the other teams to do a better job.

[TheRacingElf]

While I agree something has to be changed I think the first thing we have to change is the use of the word "show". F1 has become to much of a show in the last few years

[alfa1]

Anyone have any other suggestions?

 

Put up for sale the people who start new threads about what they'd do to the rules if they were in charge of F1.

 

Given the plethora of these threads, should earn a fortune... enough to help the poor teams.

[Gyno]

Improve the show

 

Un Ban all the stuff that has been banned the last 15 years.

[Juan Kerr]

How to improve the show...stop messing with it, let it evolve. End of discussion and thread.

[Bren]

Well, the show is the racing surely and having better racing is the key.

The difficulty we have now is that there is a huge performance gap that is hinged on development and development costs Money.

 

The Money split seems to be a major issue here. Parity isnt the answer of course, but a more fair split may be needed.

 

So Formula 1 needs to give back to the teams and allow them to come up with their new and interesting car concepts to race, but not turning it into a 'true' spec series with gimmicks.

Keep the pure fast racing but give more to team survival.

[superden]

Stop calling it a show.

[RubberKubrick]

Stop calling it a show.

 

Yeah, it's like calling a (good) film or a (good) book or a (good) song "a product"...

[R Soul]

How about "Improving the spectacle"? I think that word is a much better way to describe what F1 should be. If it's dramatic to just watch a grand prix car, overtaking won't be so desperately sought. The cars should be visibly moving around. We need to bring back 3D kerbs and not these flat things that encourage drivers to take shortcuts. And the tracks themselves are too smooth. They should be more like washboards and less like ironing boards.

 

I also think that super-wide tracks don't help. I remember seeing the cars, only a few years ago, going the the Degner curves at Suzuka. That part of the track is narrow and it made the cars look fast becasue their direction change was easier to see. It also made the cars look real, whereas on modern super-wide tracks they just look like micro machines.

 

Another thing that causes problems is that normal people have no idea what it's like to drive an F1 car. Most people who watch football, cricket, rugby, rounders (a.k.a. baseball) or athletics have done those things themselves at some point, though not necessarily to a high level. Most peope have experienced the challenge of trying to tackle, score a goal, hit a ball, sprint, or pace themsleves over a long distance. Even if they haven't, the competitors' actions are visible for all to see. Then we have F1. The drivers look like little domes, like R2D2 in the back of an X-Wing. There's no way around that, but it would help if more people could relate to what it's like to drive an F1 car. Maybe school PE lessons should include go-karting with the chance to have a go with a single seater.

[Jerem]

The TV show could be improved considerably, especially for onboards.

- Less stable on-board cameras.. Show how sick the speed is.

- They could use helmet cameras that they tested a couple years back, they were cool.

- Head-facing camera, these were cool too especially with clear visors.

- Of course numeric supports could be used to choose between cameras, onboard or not,etc.

 

Do something to give a better impression of how the cars sound. I'm sure it can't be as bad as it sounds now on TV.

 

The safety systems around the track should penalize driver mistakes more (without loss of safety) - now they get away with most mistakes.

 

It's probably not cost-effective, but having one-race engines made it more likely for engines to blow during the race. I feel that less reliability can improve the show as some cars can be faster and break down more often (2005 is the last example I have, but in 2006 it also played a role).

[Atreiu]

The simplest way still is reversed grids, but it goes against many of our instincts and habbits.

[superden]

The simplest way still is reversed grids, but it goes against many of our instincts and habbits.

I understand why people suggest this, but it's fundamentally wrong diddly-ong.

[RubberKubrick]

The simplest way still is reversed grids, but it goes against many of our instincts and habbits.

 

Maestro B.E. more or less exactly suggests what I said when I was "me" or when I used to be MetallurgicalHedonist (I am not 100% sure anymore when exactly I made that suggestion)...

 

I suggested:

 

Reversed grids plus (many) points for the fastest until the tenth-fastest driver, because the incentive to be really fast in qualifying has to be big, otherwise nobody would give everything in qualifying (however, I suggested not to give as many points as the drivers get for race positions 1 to 10 (because race results should still be more worth than qualifying results) but the drivers should get half of the points they get for race positions 1 to 10... meaning 12,5 for fastest qualifying time, 9 points for second-fastest qualifying time, 7.5 points for third-fastest qualifying time [...] 0.5 points for tenth-fastest time... you get the picture).

 

The thing is: the fastest cars would most probably still win but 70-80 % of all races would be like Suzuka2005. Simple as that. It would be amazing.

[Atreiu]

I'd suggest reversed grids with points for qualifying as well.

 

10 points for pole, last on grid; 9 for 2nd, second to last on the grid; and so on.

 

And with DRS around, the fastest cars would naturally climb up the order instead of being trapped in hell out of the points.

[reano72]

I've called this system the "10aftersystem"

1st race as per normal

2nd race onwards the current top 10 drivers in the world championship standings get allocated their grid slots after the other qualifiers. On this basis the grid for Malaysia would be

1.   Daniil Kvyat     
2.   Max Verstappen     
3.   Romain Grosjean
4.   Valtteri Bottas
5.   Kimi Raikkonen     
6.   Pastor Maldonado  
7.   Jenson Button     
8.   Fernando Alonso
9.   Roberto Merhi     
10. Will Stevens   

11. Lewis Hamilton     
12. Sebastian Vettel
13. Nico Rosberg     
14. Daniel Ricciardo

15. Felipe Massa 
16. Marcus Ericsson

17. Nico Hulkenberg
18. Sergio Perez 

19. Carlos Sainz 

20. Felipe Nasr 

 

[johnmhinds]

Creating bizarre qualifying points systems that casual fans wouldn't understand isn't an improvement to the show.

 

People didn't like something as simple as a race with double points, they'd go mental over the complex suggestions above.

Edited by johnmhinds, 28 March 2015 - 14:02.

[sopa]

I've called this system the "10aftersystem"

1st race as per normal

2nd race onwards the current top 10 drivers in the world championship standings get allocated their grid slots after the other qualifiers. On this basis the grid for Malaysia would be

1.   Daniil Kvyat     
2.   Max Verstappen     
3.   Romain Grosjean
4.   Valtteri Bottas
5.   Kimi Raikkonen     
6.   Pastor Maldonado  
7.   Jenson Button     
8.   Fernando Alonso
9.   Roberto Merhi     
10. Will Stevens   

11. Lewis Hamilton     
12. Sebastian Vettel
13. Nico Rosberg     
14. Daniel Ricciardo

15. Felipe Massa 
16. Marcus Ericsson

17. Nico Hulkenberg
18. Sergio Perez 

19. Carlos Sainz 

20. Felipe Nasr 

 

 

Somebody will crash into the Manors in turn 1, as they are dog slow, while the top dogs are trying to make their way through.

[grandepreuve]

I've called this system the "10aftersystem"

1st race as per normal

2nd race onwards the current top 10 drivers in the world championship standings get allocated their grid slots after the other qualifiers. On this basis the grid for Malaysia would be

1.   Daniil Kvyat     
2.   Max Verstappen     
3.   Romain Grosjean
4.   Valtteri Bottas
5.   Kimi Raikkonen     
6.   Pastor Maldonado  
7.   Jenson Button     
8.   Fernando Alonso
9.   Roberto Merhi     
10. Will Stevens   

11. Lewis Hamilton     
12. Sebastian Vettel
13. Nico Rosberg     
14. Daniel Ricciardo

15. Felipe Massa 
16. Marcus Ericsson

17. Nico Hulkenberg
18. Sergio Perez 

19. Carlos Sainz 

20. Felipe Nasr 

 

 

That's really not that bad an idea. Still gives an incentive to qualify well. Interesting. As for the specific problem of the Manor cars. Given the situation they could be made to start from the pit-lane...to avoid any such potential problem (they have, after all, been given special dispensation to start the race) - or from the back - especially as they haven't (technically) qualified.

Edited by grandepreuve, 28 March 2015 - 14:16.