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Posted 13 May 2014 - 13:35
I have it on good authrity that Chris Evans is the new owner of Hesketh 308-2, the Dutch GP winning car.
As far as I know, Mr Evans doesn't have a racing license, so does this mean it's going to dissapear into his collection, though he's never been adverse to someone else peddling his cars!!
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 14:22
Really? I could have sworn that's the car I saw being worked on at a well known southern preparation company just a few weeks ago.
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 14:42
One looking very like it was racing at Monaco this weekend.
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 14:43
Just why I posted, there seems to be some cofusion about what he's brought, not that he's admitting he brought it!
I think he has brought 308-1, and as usual, those reporting it have no idea there is more than one!
Edited by f1steveuk, 13 May 2014 - 14:47.
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 16:42
The blurb in the British press all said , "the car that won Hesketh only Grand Prix", well that would be 308-2, which it isn't! One said it was the car that it "won the non championship race at Silverstone, the teams one and only F1 win", which would be 308-1, and historically wrong, but it Mr Evans did indeed buy 308-1. I really must stop reading mainstream media, it's useless. As for Mr Evans, I haven't had it conformed he brought it, but I'm sure we'll find out.
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 17:08
So who is it that's been racing 308-1 in recent years "in historic grand prix events at Road America, Las Vegas, Sonoma, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Silverstone, Nürburgring, and here at Monaco"?
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 17:15
The RM auctions car is the one briefly driven by Andrew Frankel at Donington (see Motor Sport June 2014 edition) which he says was the first Hesketh - so presumably 308-1 although that is not stated explicitly - and used to win the Int'l Trophy at Silverstone. It had come over from the US, Frankel says.
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 17:29
I read on a social wot-not site that Freddie Hunt is going to drive it, whether in demos or races it doesn't say.
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 17:30
The Monaco programme described the no 24 Hesketh in the '72-'78 category, entered and driven by Frédéric Fatien, as the car which ran 9 GPs in '75, earning two 2nds and the Dutch GP victory.
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 22:18
The RM auctions car is the one briefly driven by Andrew Frankel at Donington (see Motor Sport June 2014 edition) which he says was the first Hesketh - so presumably 308-1 although that is not stated explicitly - and used to win the Int'l Trophy at Silverstone. It had come over from the US, Frankel says.
Agreed. Also it is in an unraceable configuration nowadays -- front end break off, money and crap on the track -- but it could race with a blunt nose "in period".
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 22:45
The blurb in the British press all said , "the car that won Hesketh only Grand Prix", well that would be 308-2, which it isn't! One said it was the car that it "won the non championship race at Silverstone, the teams one and only F1 win", which would be 308-1, and historically wrong, but it Mr Evans did indeed buy 308-1. I really must stop reading mainstream media, it's useless. As for Mr Evans, I haven't had it conformed he brought it, but I'm sure we'll find out.
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Posted 14 May 2014 - 14:30
So who is it that's been racing 308-1 in recent years "in historic grand prix events at Road America, Las Vegas, Sonoma, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Silverstone, Nürburgring, and here at Monaco"?
The entry list of the 2008 Monaco Historic Grand Prix lists the entrant and driver as Lee Brahin.
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Posted 14 May 2014 - 19:10
Oldest Auctioneer's or Scallywag's trick going "yes this car is just like the car that won Hesketh's only Grand Prix..."
The RM Auctions blurb says it is 308-1 which won the International Trophy, so they seem to be on the level. Although the pictures show the car in different format to those in Motor Sport. It sold for 280,000 euros, but they of course don't name the buyer. I guess it must be Evans - how likely is it that both 308s were sold last week?
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 14:39
It wasn't going to stay secret for long, and Freddie Hunt gave the game away before me!
I thought there were four built?
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 16:28
Yes indeed. 308/2 was wrecked Canada 1976 and replaced by 308/3 which itself had been rebuilt on a new tub. It is that latter car that is now regarded as 308/2 although at the time, Jenks called it '3-2'. Effectively 308/2 and 308/3 merged into one.
308/4 used to be in the Donington Museum. I need to catch up on its whereabouts.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 18:02
Yes indeed. 308/2 was wrecked Canada 1976 and replaced by 308/3 which itself had been rebuilt on a new tub. It is that latter car that is now regarded as 308/2 although at the time, Jenks called it '3-2'. Effectively 308/2 and 308/3 merged into one.
308/4 used to be in the Donington Museum. I need to catch up on its whereabouts.
So there are only three 308 left?
I remember a Hesketh offered on EBAY about ten years ago. The auction ended at around 10000 Euro.
The car wasn´t in the original colours, had a dummy Cosworth engine and I don´t know if the gearbox had internals. It had the lower 1976 type engine cover and I suspected it was an ex Ertl car as it was offered in Germany.
I don´t think it was a fake show car, at least it has the correct front suspension.
I wonder what happened to that car.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 18:56
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 19:40
I didn't see rhat.
I really need a team of people to tell me every time an old racing car pops up somewhere. Big team!
You can PM me if you need more information or pictures of that car. It must be somewhere on my old computer.
I promise to answer to your request...unlike the emails I send to you regarding the history of my car 
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 20:16
...unlike the emails I send to you regarding the history of my car
Ah, sorry about that. If you saw my inbox, you may understand how some things get a bit buried. Please resend and I will try harder next time.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 21:26
Ah, sorry about that. If you saw my inbox, you may understand how some things get a bit buried. Please resend and I will try harder next time.
Thanks, email just send to your ORC address!!!
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 19:10
Evening Standard story on the Evans purchase.
This specifies 308-1, as in Motor Sport. Nice to see that Freddie Hunt might get a go in it!
So which chassis was it that was racing at the Monaco Historique? Presumably not 308-1
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Posted 27 May 2014 - 14:35
Evening Standard story on the Evans purchase.
This specifies 308-1, as in Motor Sport. Nice to see that Freddie Hunt might get a go in it!
So which chassis was it that was racing at the Monaco Historique? Presumably not 308-1
Frederic Fatien was racing a 1974 Hesketh 308 which was 308-2. The car auctioned by RM was 308-1, which had been driven at Monaco in 2008 by its previous owner Lee Brahin. The most obvious visible difference between the two cars is that 308-1 has a narrow roll-over hoop and 308-2 has a broad/wide roll-over hoop. See http://www.ultimatec...8-Cosworth.html for some example photos.
Just to confuse the issue, there was another Hesketh 308 at Monaco this year, this time a 1975 308C, which was driven by another American driver, Richard (Rick) Carlino.
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Posted 27 May 2014 - 14:44
Just to confuse the issue, there was another Hesketh 308 at Monaco this year, this time a 1975 308C, which was driven by another American driver, Richard (Rick) Carlino.
IIRC this is the Carlino Hesketh at Simon Hadfield's workshop in January of last year.
Edited by Giraffe, 28 May 2014 - 07:52.
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Posted 27 May 2014 - 21:49
The Carlino car ran at the Masters at Brands in 2013.
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Posted 28 May 2014 - 21:11
# 24 had manufacturer's plate 02. The official program lent ions that this chassis won the Dutch Grand Prix.
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Posted 29 May 2014 - 12:22
# 24 had manufacturer's plate 02. The official program lent ions that this chassis won the Dutch Grand Prix.
Just for the avoidance of doubt, Willy is referring the #24 car driven at Monaco 2014 by Frederic Fatien, not the #24 car shown above being tested by Simon Hadfield. That competed at Monaco using #21...
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Posted 29 May 2014 - 12:50
It looks so different with the 24 moved to the cowling. Weird.
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Posted 29 May 2014 - 13:33
Michael,
Thks for the precision
Willy
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Posted 15 July 2014 - 06:56
Moderator note: a new poster called hunthesketh24 tried to post this yesterday, but seems to have hit 'report' rather than 'reply':
Yes indeed. 308/2 was wrecked Canada 1976 and replaced by 308/3 which itself had been rebuilt on a new tub. It is that latter car that is now regarded as 308/2 although at the time, Jenks called it '3-2'. Effectively 308/2 and 308/3 merged into one.
308/4 used to be in the Donington Museum. I need to catch up on its whereabouts.
So there are only three 308 left?
I remember a Hesketh offered on EBAY about ten years ago. The auction ended at around 10000 Euro.
The car wasn´t in the original colours, had a dummy Cosworth engine and I don´t know if the gearbox had internals. It had the lower 1976 type engine cover and I suspected it was an ex Ertl car as it was offered in Germany.
I don´t think it was a fake show car, at least it has the correct front suspension.
I wonder what happened to that car.
Hello, Sorry my English, I can't undestand all that it's writed in this forum due to my poor English (I use the translator google, so...) . I am the owner of Hesketh 308-Xassis 3. I bought it 10 or 11 year from Germany (Ebay), and now I want to restaure it. Only looks (static), mecanicly imposible for me (very expensive), but I want to see it as the Hunt version official car.
I have researchet a lot and I can assure that there are 4 xassis (308-1 sent recently in Monaco auction, 308-2 sometimes involved in Historic F1, 308-3 it's here in Barcelona, and 308-4 was in Donington museum but now I don't know where is it).
I would put some pictures but I can't find the mode to do it. An if you are interested, I will pass photos of the restoration in a futur.
If somone knows where can I find the aiscope, please tell me, so we know that there are a pearson who have the master for can do a copy in fiberglass.
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Posted 15 July 2014 - 08:34
Can the moderators help this user post photographs of the monocoque. I'd be very interested to see it as this is a car I thought didn't exist.
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Posted 15 July 2014 - 09:21
Can the moderators help this user post photographs of the monocoque. I'd be very interested to see it as this is a car I thought didn't exist.
I thought you might, Allen! I am of course ready, willing and able to do that. I just hope he didn't give up when his post didn't show. I'll PM him and offer my help, but he hasn't been online here since last night.
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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:44
I might have a look myself, you know, just to show willing!!
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Posted 16 July 2014 - 21:07
I was always puzzeled about the history of the Hesketh 308 , 308B and 308D cars.
Here the chassis history from another forum (although from 13 years ago):
308/1 last heard of in the Schloss-Langenburg museum
308/2 scrapped 1974
308/3 became 308B/3, then 308D/3. Written off in Ertl’s 1976 Nurburgring accident
308B/2 Possibly rebuilt as 308D/2 and believed still owned by Lord Hesketh
308B/3 (see above)
308D/2 (see above)
308D/3 (see above)
308D/4 Last known addresss: in USA 1988
What puzzeles me:
308/1...never been updated to B and D spec.???
308/2 destroyed?? and scrapped?...rebuilt to 308B/2???...then probably updated to 308D/2???
308/3...updated to 308B/3...then 308D/3...was the Nürburgring shunt that heavy to be a write off? (Maybe the car in question sold at EBAY now located in Barcelona)
308D/4...was it newly built in D spec.???
So how many monocoques had been built? (did the updates to B and D spec.required a new monocoque?)
At least 4, but it could have been 8...or maybe more???
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Posted 16 July 2014 - 22:10
Hola Hunthesketh24, soy ingeniero y mecanico Ingles, yo vivo en Murcia.
Posiblemente te puedo ayudar con la restauración ?
La gente aquí es muy,muy amable y entusiastas - porfavor, escribir un poco más acerca de su Hesketh 
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Posted 01 August 2014 - 15:38
Just got the latest MotorSport mag only to find that DK Engineering are offering for sale a Hesketh 308 stating "as driven by Hunt throughout 1974, this car took a dramatic victory at the International Trophy..."
Presumably Chris Evans hasn't already got bored and unloaded it, so what car is this?
MotorSport also mentions the Castle Hill Car Festival in Devon on 9/10 August where a 308 will make a demonstration run (amongst other cars). That sounds more likely to be Evans's 308-1 I suppose.
Considering how few 308s were made, they seem remarkably ubiquitous.... 
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Posted 24 September 2014 - 11:09
Hello !!! . I am alive ! My daughter helped me to enter in the forum. As soon as possible I will pass you photos of the restauration 308-3 in Barcelona.
I can just let you know that restoration on 308-3 is going quick, because I want to show it in my model-car shop, to celebrate our 20th shop birthday on November 20.
It would be really helpful if someone knows if I can find air scoop somewhere. After seeing 308-2 restaured I'm sure that in England has to be someone who has the mould.
I bought it with air scoop 308B (the lower one). If I can't find it, I prefer shown 308-3 type D (without air scoop). The same about font wing.
Best regards.
PS: I'm Hunthesketh24 daughter, I've been writing this post for him. I want to appologise on his next posts his English is not such good 
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Posted 24 September 2014 - 14:52
We all wait with interest and thanks!!
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Posted 24 September 2014 - 15:01
Hi
I think I know exactly where the original airbox mould is! Please email me on info@pamotorsport.com to make contact
Best regards
Peter
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Posted 24 September 2014 - 15:55
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Posted 24 September 2014 - 17:31
As soon as possible I will pass you photos of the restauration 308-3 in Barcelona.
I can just let you know that restoration on 308-3 is going quick, because I want to show it in my model-car shop, to celebrate our 20th shop birthday on November 20.
It would be really helpful if someone knows if I can find air scoop somewhere. After seeing 308-2 restaured I'm sure that in England has to be someone who has the mould.
I bought it with air scoop 308B (the lower one). If I can't find it, I prefer shown 308-3 type D (without air scoop). The same about font wing.
I´m looking forward seeing pictures of the restauration. I bet the car was light blue before the current green livery.
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Posted 24 September 2014 - 17:37
I´m looking forward seeing pictures of the restauration. I bet the car was light blue before the current green livery.
Are you one of those annoying people who start taking pics of every plate set in front of them in eating places these days?
Oh, I'm sorry, I see what you mean!
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Posted 24 September 2014 - 19:35
Sorry for the typo 
The German word for restoration is Restaurierung
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Posted 26 September 2014 - 06:56
How cool is that paint job? Please dont change it....
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Posted 26 September 2014 - 10:57
How cool is that paint job? Please dont change it....
Seems to be sandblasted already.
The history of this car is going to be interesting. Wonder how bullet-proof the history of 308-1, 308-2 and 308-3 is.
All cars were raced (owned?) by Ertl in period and could be the one in question.
Over to Allen Brown
BTW if somebody is wondering about my interest in this very special car.....well, I´d been outbidden by "hunthesketh24" in the EBAY-auction back then and it took me quite some time to get over it 
Nice to see the car again.
Edited by funformula, 26 September 2014 - 16:45.
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Posted 26 September 2014 - 11:51
Yes, I'm here, but up to my eyebrows in other projects.
What is the history of the car bought on eBay? Who was it bought from? Who did he buy it from?
I have great difficulty believing it is 308/3.
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