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[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

Ecclestone says Monza could be dropped after 2016 due to a poor commercial agreement with the current contract.

 

Autosport article: http://www.autosport...t.php/id/114743

[Risil]

Hmm. Not sure what benefits you'd get from taking the Grand Prix elsewhere in Italy. I hope they don't wreck Mugello by "upgrading" it to F1 standards.

 

"Poor commercial agreement" translates in time-honoured fashion as "FOM want more money".

Edited by Risil, 01 July 2014 - 14:51.

[PAGATRON]

PAGATRON says Ecclestone could be dropped after 2014 for sucking the life out of F1

 

The Article in my head:www.pagatronsbrain.com

[Lopek]

Hopefully Ecclestone will be rotting behind bars long before negotiation time.

[Atreiu]

If historic venues with big crowds and home to F1's most iconic team cannot afford a race, then surely the business model is broken.

 

https://twitter.com/...976776180596736

 

Sums it up for me.

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

Let Monza go....kill the sport and then nobody will care about it. See how much money you make then Bernard!

[Risil]

If historic venues with big crowds and home to F1's most iconic team cannot afford a race, then surely the business model is broken.

 

https://twitter.com/...976776180596736

 

Sums it up for me.

 

That's an impressive statement coming from a journalist reliant on the good favours of the F1 establishment.

Edited by Risil, 01 July 2014 - 15:02.

[Laster]

I'm really fed up with Bernie. He's a dinosaur, can F1 please get rid of him for its own sake.

[Lights]

Wonder if Montezemelo will respond to this.

[charly0418]

It's just Bernie negotiating. Monza will stay don't worry

[Fastcake]

It's just Bernie negotiating. Monza will stay don't worry

 

Exactly. Stop taking these threats seriously, Bernie does it to every single race.

 

He'll get what he wants as well.

[Maikel0230]

It's just Bernie negotiating. Monza will stay don't worry

 

Imola and the French Grand Prix gone, German GP at hockenheim and Nurburgring at risk, constant strugle to keep Spa on the calender.

 

Nope not worried at all!

[4MEN]

Imola and the French Grand Prix gone, German GP at hockenheim and Nurburgring at risk, constant strugle to keep Spa on the calender.

 

Nope not worried at all!

But we will visit Azerbaijan soon, don't worry.

[Muppetmad]

Bernie said the same thing about Monaco; we know how that one played out. I am hopeful the same will play out here.

[Maustinsj]

Yawn. See Bernie's pre-Silverstone proclamations.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

The only difference this time round is we've yet to see him slate Silverstone in the days leading up to the race (still plenty of time for that to happen though......)

[andrewf1]

Greedy little leprechaun. Time to steal his watch again...

[427MkIV]

A graph on this website, http://edition.cnn.c...ollar-business/, says Monza pays only $7 million in hosting fees. So surely it's a money grab by Bernie.

Edited by 427MkIV, 01 July 2014 - 16:11.

[BullHead]

Don't be surprised at anything anymore... Normally I would agree it's just negotiation noise, but given recent changes, anything could happen. Still, I might not be watching from next year anyway, so in that sense I'm not too bothered.

[PAGATRON]

Greedy little leprechaun. Time to steal his watch again...

BernieE not EddieJ

Edited by PAGATRON, 01 July 2014 - 16:00.

[Maustinsj]

A graph on this website, http://edition.cnn.c...ollar-business/, says Monza pays only $7 in hosting fees. So surely it's a money grab by Bernie.

 

No wonder he wants more! $7 wouldn't probably buy him a large cappucino 

[wj_gibson]

Bernie Ecclestone is a tragic irrelevance in the modern world, but a powerful one, more's the pity.

[Petroltorque]

I hate to bang on about it but Ecclestone is well past his sell by date. The man is facing an indictment for Bribery FFS. Can you think of any global corporation that would allow a CEO to remain in place under those circumstances?

 Mind you the teams have not helped the situation. They agreed to put the sport behind a pay wall and are now surprised when they can't drum up sponsor support because potential investors no longer get the exposure.

 Of course he wants less teams. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that that would mean more money in his back pocket and less of a payout for the teams.

 The whole situation has descended into farce, with the independent teams acting as crack addicts and Ecclestone acting as their pusher. Under those conditions they'd cut each others throat if they could get another fix ( in this case money).

Edited by Petroltorque, 01 July 2014 - 16:47.

[KWSN - DSM]

Monza will not go anywhere, the fact that Ecclestone once again voice his opinion of a traditional race disappearing is part of the issues and problems facing F1. Any sport is build on strenght, on history and tradition ignoring that start a slide from relevance to irrelevance in the general public's view. Certain Grand Prix's are 'musts' in F1, even if they have not always been held at the same tracks as they are now, the country is a country which should always host a Grand Prix.

 

Italy

Monaco

Great Britain

Belgium

Japan

Brazil

 

A series comprising only those would suffice for me.

 

[Spillage]

Honestly, Bernie makes Sepp Blatter look like Aaung Suu Kyi. Let's keep Monza and get rid of him instead

[SpartanChas]

Monza will not go anywhere, the fact that Ecclestone once again voice his opinion of a traditional race disappearing is part of the issues and problems facing F1. Any sport is build on strenght, on history and tradition ignoring that start a slide from relevance to irrelevance in the general public's view. Certain Grand Prix's are 'musts' in F1, even if they have not always been held at the same tracks as they are now, the country is a country which should always host a Grand Prix.
 
Italy
Monaco
Great Britain
Belgium
Japan
Brazil
 
A series comprising only those would suffice for me.
 

You forgot Canada!

Hope this doesn't happen. Went there last year and it was great, it should stay on the calendar forever.

[yasushi888]

F1 doesn't deserve Monza

[andysaint]

It's getting really boring hearing Bernie do this to every race. Problem is, if he's successful in driving up the price, the ticket price, food price, merchandise price ect...goes up hitting the consumer. Result? Less bums on seats and less revenue. If people are not watching, they need to do something to fix that. Considering the legend of monza, I am hoping F1 needs it more than Monza needs F1. If Bernie wants more money, get Dubai ect.. To pay more, the likes of spa, Silverstone and monza has done enough for F1 over the years to warrant a break.

[Fabien Pousset]

F1 doesn't deserve Monza

This.

[Dolph]

Come on guys, if Monza pays the least amount of money to host (excl. Monaco) and they draw big crowds, then surely they CAN afford to pay more.

[SenorSjon]

Monza should go.

 

Then they can go host the breakaway series with sane rules and real development.

Edited by SenorSjon, 01 July 2014 - 18:01.

[Red17]

"Monza could go"

Yeah, right

 

Bernie talk translation:

"Monza needs to pay more cash and Ferrari needs to shut up"

 

I sense an incoming announcement by Ferrari stating they will focus on F1 for another 20 years. Why do people still panic everytime Bernie twitches a finger?

Monza out? It wasn't out when teams and drivers were complaining about Monza being unsafe, why would it go now?

 

Geez, this is Silverstone all over again.

[BRG]

The only difference this time round is we've yet to see him slate Silverstone in the days leading up to the race (still plenty of time for that to happen though......)

You haven't been attending.  He did his annual Silverstone dissing several weeks ago.

 

I must say, this is the first time I recall him questioning Monza.  Things must be getting tight chez Bernie.

[Sheepmachine]

I think Bernie must have a wheel with all the classic tracks on and every once in a while he gives it a spin to see which circuit he will put pressure on next.

[masa90]

Yay more money to people in charge. Seems like they dont care at all about the people who they should be expecting to participiate and follow...

[Petroltorque]

I'm an atheist but I'd be willing to attend Church again if we could just get a guilty verdict in Germany!

[redreni]

Any event that doesn't have a signed and sealed contract beyond next year could be gone after next year. The Autosport article is therefore correct to say this event is "in doubt", but no more so than it was last week. Bernie always says this sort of thing when a hosting contract comes up for renewal, so nobody should be surprised by these comments.

It would be a shame to lose Monza. It's a very well attended event, though, regardless of what may be happening to television ratings, so I would be surprised if there isn't a deal that can be done, here.

Edited by redreni, 01 July 2014 - 18:21.

[Jejking]

I'm an atheist but I'd be willing to attend Church again if we could just get a guilty verdict in Germany!

Hahaha. Quoted for later notification. Better start praying Bernie stays out of jail

[pathogen]

This old man is a lunatic, evil born and bad person. Unbelievable!

[R Soul]

Perhaps there's been some development with his bribery case and he's putting this story out there to distract us. A slight alternative is that he's bringing this up now to give it a few months to fester. The Italian GP is in September and I think that's when the trial resumes.

[uffen]

It is just a Bernie negotiating tactic.

[MrMan]

With Haas Stewart GP, Forza Rossa and this Swiss/Arab consortium buying Caterham, businesses obviously see some monetary value in F1.

The fact that they do just reinforces Bernie's belief that what he has is an exclusive product and people should pay whatever he wants them to pay for that product.

It's a real shame.

[JacnGille]

Hopefully Ecclestone will be rotting behind bars long before negotiation time.

oops, gotta run. I hear FOM choppers overhead!

[KWSN - DSM]

With Haas Stewart GP, Forza Rossa and this Swiss/Arab consortium buying Caterham, businesses obviously see some monetary value in F1.

The fact that they do just reinforces Bernie's belief that what he has is an exclusive product and people should pay whatever he wants them to pay for that product.

It's a real shame.

 

And how much have Caterham / Lotus spend since they entered for zero points? And what are the true debt of Team Caterham as a legal entity? And how can the current Lotus be Usd 80 million in debt, not pay their engine supplier as well as number 1 driver last year? And this is seen as a monetary value? There is value in sponsoring a team, there is value in being a front running team. Coming in from the outside is a certain expense of Usd 250 million next 3 seasons with no guarantee of more than Usd 18 million, the deluded manner in which F1 is being run is the single biggest reason that F1 is in crisis,  F1 IS in crisis quickly eroding their fan base with this latest stab at what makes F1 great from the supposed smartest man in F1.

 

[Heisenberg]

I'm worried, Spa has gone before, Austria has. There's no stopping Bernie from dropping Monza sometime too! A shame, the classic circuits are always with 10 classes above Tilke's "masterpieces".

[Maustinsj]

Ok here's how it will go. Bernie says Monza is under threat. Cue arm flapping and ripping apart of garments. Then, just before this year's Monza GP, lo and behold, a deal will be struck "saving" the GP. Bernie has stepped in to save the GP which he himself put under threat in the first place.

Then, after a suitable space of time, the same thing happens again with ***insert classic GP name here***

Blah, blah, blah

[Absulute]

The business model is broken.  F1 should be going where the fans are, not where the money is.  

[Disgrace]

This is but a pawn in Bernie's chess game.

[krod]

I'm an atheist but I'd be willing to attend Church again if we could just get a guilty verdict in Germany!

 

 

Face it, anything that can take the little s**t down would be a miracle, and that would be enough for me to believe in the deity that organised it.

 

Amen, brother!

[Vic Vega]

I'm an atheist but I'd be willing to attend Church again if we could just get a guilty verdict in Germany!

Two wrongs don't make a right.