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[charly0418]

http://www.forbes.co...return-in-2015/

 

So the Mexican GP is now back on track.

 

I know we've heard this last year, when the race was announced as "provisional" and didn't materialize for 2014.

 

Difference this year is that the local government has given the nod to the race and will help with the rebuilding that needs to be done for 2015.

 

Race will take place before or after the Austin GP.

 

 

Fire away

[ollebompa]

Cool if they use the whole parabolic turn.

[Collective]

This feels like the tenth confirmation... I will not believe it until FP1.

[Collective]

Cool if they use the whole parabolic turn.

Not happening because there is not enough space for runoff (wall and avenue right after the turn). They will most likely build a Mickey Mouse section and use the second half of the turn to get to the straight.

[Risil]

Are they going have that corner that runs through the baseball stadium?

 

Edited by Risil, 22 July 2014 - 18:18.

[Fastcake]

This feels like the tenth confirmation... I will not believe it until FP1.

 

I don't even believe a new race will happen half way through qualifying.

[ollebompa]

Are they going have that corner that runs through the baseball stadium?

 

**** that 

[emmanuelrubi]

Cool if they use the whole parabolic turn.

 

I don't think so, went running to that place the other day, there is no longer that part of the circuit, it cuts in the half of that turn and then enters the stadium 

[Atreiu]

This feels like the tenth confirmation... I will not believe it until FP1.

 

Sums it up perfectly.

[Ross Stonefeld]

July 2003
Mexico wants F1 circuit at Cancun

October 2004
Mexico Set to Return to F1 Calendar in 2006

February 10th 2005
Problems for Mexican GP bid

February 17th 2005
Mexico back on track

April 2005
Mexican GP Set to be Delayed

December 2011
Mexican Grand Prix return 'a no-brainer', says Carlos Slim Domit

August 2013
Mexican Grand Prix set for 2014 Formula 1 calendar slot
 

[charly0418]

If it does happen, which I think it will, I could see some problems for Austin. 1/4 of the spectators are Mexican, they might choose to spend the money on the home race

[August]

Are they going have that corner that runs through the baseball stadium?

 

 

I don't have time to search it but I saw a sketch that looked even more Mickey Mouse than 3 90-degs.

[Collective]

Are they going have that corner that runs through the baseball stadium?

 

Yes and no. It will go through the stadium, but it will be a Mickey Mouse section kinda like turns 12-15 in Austin

[Amphicar]

Yes and no. It will go through the stadium, but it will be a Mickey Mouse section kinda like turns 12-15 in Austin

Muy Raton Miguelito!

[charly0418]

[emmanuelrubi]

If it does happen, which I think it will, I could see some problems for Austin. 1/4 of the spectators are Mexican, they might choose to spend the money on the home race

 

The people who went to the Austin GP are mostly people from the northern part of Mexico (Monterrey, Saltillo, Chihuahua, etc) i think there will be a lot of Mexicans in 2015 Austin GP because for some reason they prefer to go to the US than to Mexico City, while the Mexico City GP will be more to the people that lives on the center/South of the republic, they should rename both Gp as North Mexico Gp and Mexico Gp    

[AustinF1]

Not happening because there is not enough space for runoff (wall and avenue right after the turn). They will most likely build a Mickey Mouse section and use the second half of the turn to get to the straight.

This. 

 

 

 

Are they going have that corner that runs through the baseball stadium?

Yep.

[DinocoBlue]

OK, obvious question time... will this mean the calendar reaches 20 next year or is there a GP that's looking like it might be dropped? (I'm already assuming that New Jersey isn't happening nor the planned return of India)

 

Surely it'd be wise to run USA-Mexico-Brazil in one go, as well as coupling Baku with Sochi.

 

The inevitable 'fan-calendar' post.. which clocks in at 21.

Spoiler

Australia

Malaysia

China

Bahrain

Spain

Monaco

Canada

Austria

Great Britain

Germany (Nürburgring)

Hungary

Belgium

Italy

Singapore

Japan

Russia

Azerbaijan

USA

Mexico

Brazil

UAE

Edited by DinocoBlue, 22 July 2014 - 20:30.

[pdac]

The cynic in me thinks that someone has managed to raise some money (probably from state or government) to set up an operation with the idea of organising a grand prix. They will employ their friend and family, pay everyone hansom fees and when the money is gone, there will be nothing to show for it.

 

Having said that, it might be quite nice if it happens.

[teejay]

Dinoco slide Russia in before Singapore so they then head out of it into Asia than America for the rest of the season.

[kraduk]

The people who went to the Austin GP are mostly people from the northern part of Mexico (Monterrey, Saltillo, Chihuahua, etc) i think there will be a lot of Mexicans in 2015 Austin GP because for some reason they prefer to go to the US than to Mexico City, while the Mexico City GP will be more to the people that lives on the center/South of the republic, they should rename both Gp as North Mexico Gp and Mexico Gp    

 

even if you limited to mexico city there are enough ppl there i would imagine

[PayasYouRace]

I don't have time to search it but I saw a sketch that looked even more Mickey Mouse than 3 90-degs.

 

From the map released last year it did look worse. Can't find the map but it looked like the old double hairpin at Indy.

[August]

From the map released last year it did look worse. Can't find the map but it looked like the old double hairpin at Indy.

 

 

Here:

 

 

Just horrible.

 

I think Peraltada would be OK with a tarmac runoff. Like this:

 

[emmanuelrubi]

Its now on Tv the press conference about the F1 come back to Mexico   hope this time is real.

[PayasYouRace]

Here:

 

 

 

Just horrible.

 

I think Peraltada would be OK with a tarmac runoff. Like this:

 

 

 

That's the one. Yeah really terrible.

 

You'd need a lot more runoff for the Peraltada. I wouldnt' mind the section through the stadium, but it would be better with just a single left hander as wide as the field allows.

[discover23]

Not fair . What happened to the race in New Jersey?

[emmanuelrubi]

According to this brochure that they gave at the conference they are going to keep the Peraltada. 

 

[HaydenFan]

Not fair . What happened to the race in New Jersey?

 

Took the money and bought new homes out in the Hamptons. 

 

Good to see that an event is back at a "classic" venue. With the return to the Osterreichring/A1 Ring/Red Bull Ring this year, a push seems to go back to venues already in place (albeit some upgrading), rather than build a completely new venue for F1 in mind (after seeing that only one of this decade to seemingly be successful being the Circuit of the Americas). 

 

I don't really see how the Peratada is that unsafe though. Not much different than what was at Indy. A modern F1 car will still need to brake for the corner (it is tighter than what most people think). And with the banking, a runoff area (which isn't really possible), will no be very effective. It is much like an oval, and could be a place where the SAFER barrier system would actually be pretty useful. 

[Goron3]

According to this brochure that they gave at the conference they are going to keep the Peraltada. 

 

If that is the final layout I will be delighted and it will automatically be one of the best layouts on the calendar. Love those quick corners in S2!

[emmanuelrubi]

If that is the final layout I will be delighted and it will automatically be one of the best layouts on the calendar. Love those quick corners in S2!

According to what they said in the conference and in Escuderia Telmex fb page (main sponsor of the event) this is the final layout for the 2015 race.

Edited by emmanuelrubi, 23 July 2014 - 18:18.

[Imateria]

OK, obvious question time... will this mean the calendar reaches 20 next year or is there a GP that's looking like it might be dropped? (I'm already assuming that New Jersey isn't happening nor the planned return of India)

 

Surely it'd be wise to run USA-Mexico-Brazil in one go, as well as coupling Baku with Sochi.

 

The inevitable 'fan-calendar' post.. which clocks in at 21.

Spoiler

Australia

Malaysia

China

Bahrain

Spain

Monaco

Canada

Austria

Great Britain

Germany (Nürburgring)

Hungary

Belgium

Italy

Singapore

Japan

Russia

Azerbaijan

USA

Mexico

Brazil

UAE

Some question marks over the Nurburgring and I wouldn't bet on Azerbaijan, they don't even have the plans for a circuit yet.

[Goron3]

According to what they said in the conference and in Escuderia Telmex fb page (main sponsor of the event) this is the final layout for the 2015 race.

You've made my day.

[noikeee]

Running the Peraltada would basically be contradictory with everything they've done safety-wise on numerous circuits over the past 10 years. I'd love it too but fat chance it'll happen, I don't believe it for a second just because a crappy A4 presentation sheet has it on a drawing, or if some official says so in such an early stage of the project (if the GP ends up going ahead, even).

[PayasYouRace]

Took the money and bought new homes out in the Hamptons. 

 

Good to see that an event is back at a "classic" venue. With the return to the Osterreichring/A1 Ring/Red Bull Ring this year, a push seems to go back to venues already in place (albeit some upgrading), rather than build a completely new venue for F1 in mind (after seeing that only one of this decade to seemingly be successful being the Circuit of the Americas). 

 

I don't really see how the Peratada is that unsafe though. Not much different than what was at Indy. A modern F1 car will still need to brake for the corner (it is tighter than what most people think). And with the banking, a runoff area (which isn't really possible), will no be very effective. It is much like an oval, and could be a place where the SAFER barrier system would actually be pretty useful. 

 

It's flat now.

 

There's no way it would be considered safe enough. It's probably a lot like Pouhon, and can you imagine trying to justify that corner with a wall right on the edge?

[pingu666]

its just like a oval then.

so a safer barrier will be fine, but they could use softer polystrein or foam absorbtion material

[Richard T]

On F1.com now!

 

http://www.formula1....14/7/16138.html

[emmanuelrubi]

Bad news, in this vid, they confirmed that they will enter foro sol, in which means they will cut the Peraltada in half. 

 

http://youtu.be/CLKqG70ZIjk

[TF110]

Oh well. The rest of the track is ok. Maybe cutting through will add some passing if were lucky.

[Petroltorque]

OH Dear. My fear is that they will use Tilke to ruin what si a classic track.

[bourbon]

This is great news in terms of the venue.  I haven't looked at the track yet - but it will be a very cool alternative to Austin and Canada if we want to stay in NoAm. 

Perez better be on track!  Great stuff.

[Kristian]

On Autosport it says the layout hasn't been finalised, so if the Peraltada is there in full I'll be very surprised - but surely with techpro and a bit of asphalt (groan!) it can be safe? I mean the parabolic corner at Sochi is far far faster... 

 

They should also go back to this type of corner marker they used in the 60s... no doubt over track limits there! 

 

[Darren1]

From the pictures I saw last year the whole circuit would be butchered, making the fast esses at the back of the circuit a lot slower, a chicane through the stadium with Peraltada cut in half.  All looking quite sad.  Now if they do used the old track I'd be delighted!

[Kristian]

From the pictures I saw last year the whole circuit would be butchered, making the fast esses at the back of the circuit a lot slower, a chicane through the stadium with Peraltada cut in half.  All looking quite sad.  Now if they do used the old track I'd be delighted!

 

yes I can't see the esses being kept intact sadly. The Austin esses were meant to be faster, but Charlie asked for them to be tightened up, despite the acres of car park on the outside. Its sad that the powers that be seem afraid to give drivers a challenge anymore. 

[August]

A screenshot from here:
 

 

 
For comparision the old circuit:
 

 
T1-3 seem tightened, also T4 seems tighter.T8 (first of the esses) bypassed (grandstands in the place of old T8), after which all esses modified to shorter-radius corners leaving more run-off. And first half of Peraltada replaced with a Mickey Mouse section inside the stadium.
 

Edited by August, 24 July 2014 - 08:16.

[uzsjgb]

I don't really see how the Peratada is that unsafe though. Not much different than what was at Indy. A modern F1 car will still need to brake for the corner (it is tighter than what most people think). And with the banking, a runoff area (which isn't really possible), will no be very effective. It is much like an oval, and could be a place where the SAFER barrier system would actually be pretty useful. 

 

I was thinking along the same lines.

 

I also compared aerial views of the Peraltada and the Parabolica in Monza. The latter doesn't have much more run-off, than could be built at the Peraltada.

 

But I suspect the organisers want the circuit to run through the stadium, because they already have seating there and the crowds will be very close to the track. I imagine this would be great for the spectators.

[Risil]

But I suspect the organisers want the circuit to run through the stadium, because they already have seating there and the crowds will be very close to the track. I imagine this would be great for the spectators.

 

Nope, just good for the promoters trying to pack them in.

[Risil]

Here:

 

 

Compared to

 

 

This is classic F1. Never build one corner where three will do.

[uzsjgb]

Nope, just good for the promoters trying to pack them in.

 

Why wouldn't it be good for spectators to be so close to the cars on track, in an enclosed space, adding to the sound and atmosphere? 

[Risil]

Why wouldn't it be good for spectators to be so close to the cars on track, in an enclosed space, adding to the sound and atmosphere? 

 

Because they're driving at 50mph. The best place to watch at new Silverstone isn't at the last corner either.

 

I also believe that one of the best things about being a spectator at a motor race is not sitting in a baseball stadium. But your mileage may vary.

Edited by Risil, 24 July 2014 - 09:41.

[billm99uk]

I'd just like to make the point that it's nice to see a 'new' Grand Prix at a place where they really appreciate their racing rather than somewhere they don't give a monkey's for once!