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[Exumer]

• Talk going around that David Greenwood is appointed as #Kimi's race engineer from now

race engineer at Renault, then Virgin/Marussia. latest was chief engineer at Marussia. 

[Ferrari2183]

2014 downforce levels are down some compared to 2013 but not too much. Next year teams should be above 2013 levels.

Huh? No blowing, no beam wing, low noses...

I know the engineers are clever people but how did you arrive at that conclusion?

[as65p]

There are several times, that I remember, where Vettel was losing the apexes during 2014. The car simply wasn't there where he wanted it to be when he arrived at the corners.

 

And many times he was exceeding track limits too.

The thing is, he did that all the time, even in the years of domination. It's not new to 2014.

 

So I don't think it's directly related to this years struggles.

[Newbrray]

2014 downforce levels are down some compared to 2013 but not too much. Next year teams should be above 2013 levels.

 

Am sorry CX but I find that hard to believe, if you are referring to lap time comparison , this may be because the cars are faster on the straights but in corners without the EBD etc am really struggling to buy this

[CrucialXtreme]

Huh? No blowing, no beam wing, low noses...

I know the engineers are clever people but how did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

Q: How does the level of downforce generated in 2014 compare to last year?
NC: It is a little down, but not much. When we started developing for the 2014 regs we were a long way down and then we had a very good build-up theory and we got to a level that we were reasonably pleased with. It is never enough - you always want to put more on the car - but it has improved to a pretty sensible level. If we had exhaust blowing, you would probably be equal, if not better.

 

Source

 

 

Edit: And this is Lotus who is "a little down but not much" on downforce. The larger teams are most likely in a much better position.

Edited by CrucialXtreme, 29 November 2014 - 15:14.

[KnucklesAgain]

AMuS (German) takes a look at the F14T developments over the year. (click the "40 Bilder" button in the image for the pictures)

[mzvztag]

When you have regulations that bring cars to Monza 2013 downforce levels and expect them to find grip in tracks that require much more downforce, and also apply very hard tires to pair the low-df configuration, of course drivers will complain in terms of the "absolute" handling. But, relatively speaking, you could have an aero/mechanical solution that is the best given the limitations that are enforced by the regulators.

No track require any amount of downforce. The tracks themselves are completely indifferent to the cars that run on them. Until 1968 the cars usually generated lift instead of downforce, so what?

Also, there is no such thing as too hard a tyre in itself. Back in the 1960s it was not uncommon to complete (and win!) several races with a single set of tyres.

As long as the rules are same for everything, there can be no too little downforce (as downforce is not a prerequisite for any racing car) or too little grip (unless the track is covered in ice) or too hard tyres (too soft ones can be dangerous, though).

As always, it's up to drivers to extract maximum from what the rules permit and the designers conceive.

Edited by mzvztag, 30 November 2014 - 22:25.

[Newbrray]

Ferrari set to shuffle track engineering team

 

Lots of news is emerging from the Ferrari camp recently, and today it has been reported that under the team's new leadership, the drivers' racecar engineering team will also be reshuffled.

Today is another milestone for Ferrari as the team's new principal, Maurizio Arrivabene is officially appointed to his position. FIAT chairman Sergio Marchionne reportedly landed near the team's test track at Fiorano shortly before 9 am today to meet with Arrivabene on the team's future and the plans for their ongoing 2015 project.

At the same time, Sky Italy have reported that the team will be having two new race engineers next season. Sebastian Vettel will have Riccardo Adami as his race engineer. Adami previously worked for Toro Rosso.

Kimi Raikkonen will also change as Dave Greenwood will manage his car. Greenwood is well respected and only just joined the Scuderia from Marussia F1 Team.

The news follows Sebastian Vettel's first day at Ferrari  on 29 November, during which he drove a Ferrari 2012 from 2012, the most modern car he can test under the current regulations. Vettel's car sported #5, the number he is going to race with in 2015, but confusingly also the number which Alonso race with in 2012.

While the Pirelli test tyres and the Ferrari itself are hardly relevant to next year's Ferrari, the Italian team was keen to get Vettel in a car early to get feedback on the seating position and the location of controls on the steering wheel.

 

 

 

http://www.gptoday.c...gineering_team/

Edited by Newbrray, 01 December 2014 - 13:39.

[CrucialXtreme]

Here's some good reading for everyone here. A detailed analysis of the complex F14T front wing.

Ferrari F14T Front Wing Analysis

[quasi C]

"Among all this euphoria, we should not forget to say sorry in advance to Kimi and Seb for the car they'll have to drive next year"

 

The words of a Ferrari engineer to Leo Turrini. However Turrini says everyone at Ferrari knows very well the hill they'll have to climb.

http://blog.quotidia...-mr-arrivewell/

[Kulturen]

Let's say we take this as fact for a minute. It's interesting, what would the explanation be? The F14T was THAT bad apart from the engine. The regs don't really change much...so how exactly could they have produced an utterly crap car?

 

Did they take some wild gamble with the design and failed horribly?

Is it maybe the engine? As in they already know they won't have enough time to make it competitive for next year?

 

I mean, it'd be quite an achievement if they actually manage to produce a worse car.

[jey16]

Ferrari set to shuffle track engineering team

 

 

 

http://www.gptoday.c...gineering_team/

 

so i guess that confirms Stella is leaving....

[Kimble]

Maybe for this year they have decided to under promise and over deliver?

[Massa]

Maybe for this year they have decided to under promise and over deliver?

 

 

Listen mate, if Ferrari said the next car will sucks, it will sucks. When Ferrari sandbag, it's when they said absolutly nothing. When they are silent it's when they sandbag.

 

The next car will be crap, and they are so vocal about it so for me i think the next car will be good enough for 9th 10th only. It was not like that in 2012 or even this year.

 

It's the first time of my life Ferrari admit that the next car will be bad. In 2012 Fry came to the press to say the car is not good but they will have a serie of package to try to do a turnaround, and they success.

 

My expectations are very low for next year, Q3 will be a success, Q2 the norm.

[UltraTech]

Listen mate, if Ferrari said the next car will sucks, it will sucks. When Ferrari sandbag, it's when they said absolutly nothing. When they are silent it's when they sandbag.

The next car will be crap, and they are so vocal about it so for me i think the next car will be good enough for 9th 10th only. It was not like that in 2012 or even this year.

It's the first time of my life Ferrari admit that the next car will be bad. In 2012 Fry came to the press to say the car is not good but they will have a serie of package to try to do a turnaround, and they success.

My expectations are very low for next year, Q3 will be a success, Q2 the norm.

Oh dear. Ahh well. Weve got a few months to do what we can do. If the problems are aero, they can be sorted, engine issues and its game over. Will be interesting to find out exactly what is wrong with the car i guess.

As for stella leaving, not sure thats a really big deal in the grand scheme of things, if he wants to go and cheerlead alonso down in woking, good luck to him.

Edited by UltraTech, 01 December 2014 - 22:04.

[as65p]

Listen mate, if Ferrari said the next car will sucks, it will sucks. When Ferrari sandbag, it's when they said absolutly nothing. When they are silent it's when they sandbag.

 

The next car will be crap, and they are so vocal about it so for me i think the next car will be good enough for 9th 10th only. It was not like that in 2012 or even this year.

 

It's the first time of my life Ferrari admit that the next car will be bad. In 2012 Fry came to the press to say the car is not good but they will have a serie of package to try to do a turnaround, and they success.

 

My expectations are very low for next year, Q3 will be a success, Q2 the norm.

 

It might just be clever. Once it was clear (long ago) that even in the best of cases they wouldn't challenge MGP in 2015, why not declare the car a total failure in advance. Takes the pressure off for 2015, between now and the seasons start everyone will get their anger of their chests, so when Vettel comes 6th in one of the first races everyone will jump for joy and predict a brilliant future.

 

Also with all those new faces up and down the ladder it's now the perfect time to blame a good deal on all those people who aren't there anymore.

[Massa]

It might just be clever. Once it was clear (long ago) that even in the best of cases they wouldn't challenge MGP in 2015, why not declare the car a total failure in advance. Takes the pressure off for 2015, between now and the seasons start everyone will get their anger of their chests, so when Vettel comes 6th in one of the first races everyone will jump for joy and predict a brilliant future.

 

Also with all those new faces up and down the ladder it's now the perfect time to blame a good deal on all those people who aren't there anymore.

 

 

Yes it will take off some pressure. At mid season the team was saying they plan to fight for championship for 2016 or 2017, not before. I think it was when Mattiacci took over the team. They will have no pressure next year, because everybody expect them to be bad. It will be like 1996.

[Cyanide]

I don't know, Kimi is saying completely different things, how the next car will be a very big improvement: http://en.espnf1.com...ory/186465.html

 

Might just be PR talk but I don't think Kimi is the sort of person to say such things if they weren't true. Who knows, but I don't expect extremely good things from this team until 2016-2017 the latest. Even fighting for top 5 finishes regularly would be an amazing improvement next year, considering how the last few races went. 

[CrucialXtreme]

Listen mate, if Ferrari said the next car will sucks, it will sucks. When Ferrari sandbag, it's when they said absolutly nothing. When they are silent it's when they sandbag.

The next car will be crap, and they are so vocal about it so for me i think the next car will be good enough for 9th 10th only. It was not like that in 2012 or even this year.

It's the first time of my life Ferrari admit that the next car will be bad. In 2012 Fry came to the press to say the car is not good but they will have a serie of package to try to do a turnaround, and they success.

My expectations are very low for next year, Q3 will be a success, Q2 the norm.

I'm with you mate. I've said already and I'll say again, I think the 2015 Ferrari will be twice the car the F14T is. But I do agree when you say the car will suck.

Ferrari finish 2014 behind. I think Horner said it the best and I think it applies for Ferrari as well. It will take damn near a miracle for Ferrari(and Renault) to close the gap to the 2014 Mercedes Power Unit. Knowing that Mercedes isn't sitting on their arses doing nothing, they will improve as well. So even though the 2015 car should be much better than 2014, it will still be behind.

It won't be until 2016, when some changes are made about engine development, will the real possibility of the gap being closed come to fruition. I'm not happy about it but I can live with it. It will give the team time to continue with the changes Kimi alluded to and will give Mattacci's new hires a chance to get in, get comfortable and start making some really good progress.

[George Costanza]

Let's say we take this as fact for a minute. It's interesting, what would the explanation be? The F14T was THAT bad apart from the engine. The regs don't really change much...so how exactly could they have produced an utterly crap car?

Did they take some wild gamble with the design and failed horribly?

Is it maybe the engine? As in they already know they won't have enough time to make it competitive for next year?

 

I mean, it'd be quite an achievement if they actually manage to produce a worse car.

 

Already did that with 1992-1993....

[ViMaMo]

For years they have been "sorting the aero". I don't want to seem like Im complaining but if they can get a balanced car for next year it would be a big big start. Forget the power unit, it may take time to catch up. If they can give Seb and Kimi a semi decent handling car, not the truck we seen past few years, they can do miracles. Today everything is shite.

 

Past few years they have been treading on maybe last few light rays from past design philosophy and somehow managing to salvage performance. This year they were shoved into a dark room.

 

How many years are they going to spend fixing aero?

[GrumpyYoungMan]

...

 

How many years are they going to spend fixing aero?

Until they catch up with CFD and wind tunnel testing, after all since unlimited testing has been stopped they have struggled...

[ViMaMo]

Until they catch up with CFD and wind tunnel testing, after all since unlimited testing has been stopped they have struggled...

 

1. The wind tunnel is updated. They have had sufficient time. Is there a catch up or simply lack of talented personnel.

2. How do teams like Williams who had such a hard time recently....  catch up in 2014?

 

There is nothing to catch up to. Either its get the right people, get the job done. Otherwise its time to question where and why team is failing..... meaning guys at top are failing.

[Raest]

"Among all this euphoria, we should not forget to say sorry in advance to Kimi and Seb for the car they'll have to drive next year"

 

The words of a Ferrari engineer to Leo Turrini. However Turrini says everyone at Ferrari knows very well the hill they'll have to climb.

http://blog.quotidia...-mr-arrivewell/

I would take whatever Turrini writes about the engineering department with a big dose of scepticism. The guy has an axe to grind with some of the Ferrari engineers. Notably Tombazis. 

[CrucialXtreme]

1. The wind tunnel is updated. They have had sufficient time. Is there a catch up or simply lack of talented personnel.
2. How do teams like Williams who had such a hard time recently.... catch up in 2014?

There is nothing to catch up to. Either its get the right people, get the job done. Otherwise its time to question where and why team is failing..... meaning guys at top are failing.

Aero was not a problem for the F14T. The Aerodynamics of this years car was actually a strong point for a change. The aero updates introduced were tested in free practice and used for Quali and the race. This suggests that wind tunnel/CFD data and track data have a good degree of correlation.

Williams caught up because of the Mercedes Power Unit, plain and simple. The aerodynamics of the FW36 were nothing special but they did have a very aerodynamically efficient car, which is why they went well at the medium-low DF tracks. They lacked overall DF which is why they didn't do so well at the high DF tracks compared to how they did at the low DF ones.

I expect the aero/chassis of the 2015 car to again be a strong point of the car. The chassis/aero of the F14T wasn't the best on the grid, I'm not saying that, but it wasn't the teams weakest link as in previous years which is most definitely a step in the right direction. With Allison being responsible for the in season updates last year and being responsible for the 2015 car from start to finish, I think this area of the car will be better than 2014.

[Richard T]

Aero was not a problem for the F14T. The Aerodynamics of this years car was actually a strong point for a change. The aero updates introduced were tested in free practice and used for Quali and the race. This suggests that wind tunnel/CFD data and track data have a good degree of correlation.

Williams caught up because of the Mercedes Power Unit, plain and simple. The aerodynamics of the FW36 were nothing special but they did have a very aerodynamically efficient car, which is why they went well at the medium-low DF tracks. They lacked overall DF which is why they didn't do so well at the high DF tracks compared to how they did at the low DF ones.

I expect the aero/chassis of the 2015 car to again be a strong point of the car. The chassis/aero of the F14T wasn't the best on the grid, I'm not saying that, but it wasn't the teams weakest link as in previous years which is most definitely a step in the right direction. With Allison being responsible for the in season updates last year and being responsible for the 2015 car from start to finish, I think this area of the car will be better than 2014.

 

Im of the same impression as you CX. The biggest weak point is the drivability of the PU. Horsepower is one thing but the general characteristics of the power delivery and brake harvesting is visibly horrible.

Hopefully there will be some scope to adjust this over the winter.

[RunningMan]

Aero was not a problem for the F14T. The Aerodynamics of this years car was actually a strong point for a change. The aero updates introduced were tested in free practice and used for Quali and the race. This suggests that wind tunnel/CFD data and track data have a good degree of correlation.

Williams caught up because of the Mercedes Power Unit, plain and simple. The aerodynamics of the FW36 were nothing special but they did have a very aerodynamically efficient car, which is why they went well at the medium-low DF tracks. They lacked overall DF which is why they didn't do so well at the high DF tracks compared to how they did at the low DF ones.

I expect the aero/chassis of the 2015 car to again be a strong point of the car. The chassis/aero of the F14T wasn't the best on the grid, I'm not saying that, but it wasn't the teams weakest link as in previous years which is most definitely a step in the right direction. With Allison being responsible for the in season updates last year and being responsible for the 2015 car from start to finish, I think this area of the car will be better than 2014.

 

The Williams struggled on tracks like Monaco, Hungary, and Singapore. Tracks that place a lot of emphasis on mechanical grip, not aerodynamic grip. At Spain a track that is well known to be a high downforce track, the fastest Williams, Bottas did a 1:26.632 compared to the fastest Ferrari, Kimi, who did a 1:27.104. Nearly half a second down in quali trim whilst in the race, Bottas only finished 10 seconds up the road. I don't think you can merge grip from the chassis, and grip from the aerodynamics here. I think they are two slightly different things. I agree with your overall point in that the aero wasn't that bad, I wouldn't call it strong as it was 3rd at best behind the Red Bull's and Mercedes, which is where they've been for the last 5 years, 3rd best aero behind the Red Bull's and usually one other car (McLaren/Lotus/Mercedes). 

Edited by RunningMan, 02 December 2014 - 17:05.

[Goron3]

The Williams struggled on tracks like Monaco, Hungary, and Singapore. Tracks that place a lot of emphasis on mechanical grip, not aerodynamic grip. At Spain a track that is well known to be a high downforce track, the fastest Williams, Bottas did a 1:26.632 compared to the fastest Ferrari, Kimi, who did a 1:27.104. Nearly half a second down in quali trim whilst in the race, Bottas only finished 10 seconds up the road. I don't think you can merge grip from the chassis, and grip from the aerodynamics here. I think they are two slightly different things. I agree with your overall point in that the aero wasn't that bad, I wouldn't call it strong as it was 3rd at best behind the Red Bull's and Mercedes, which is where they've been for the last 5 years, 3rd best aero behind the Red Bull's and usually one other car (McLaren/Lotus/Mercedes). 

Ferrari's problem at Spain wasn't downforce, it was simply drivability (again) and the fact that the ERS is so inefficient compared to the Williams one. I just hope we can sort this for next year because we lack so much power in the races

[Seanspeed]

Listen mate, if Ferrari said the next car will sucks, it will sucks. When Ferrari sandbag, it's when they said absolutly nothing. When they are silent it's when they sandbag.
 
The next car will be crap, and they are so vocal about it so for me i think the next car will be good enough for 9th 10th only. It was not like that in 2012 or even this year.
 
It's the first time of my life Ferrari admit that the next car will be bad. In 2012 Fry came to the press to say the car is not good but they will have a serie of package to try to do a turnaround, and they success.
 
My expectations are very low for next year, Q3 will be a success, Q2 the norm.

Except Ferrari haven't said anything that we *know* of. This is all second hand information from somebody who has been notoriously unreliable in the past.

I'm not saying it isn't true, just that you are arguing from a stance that Ferrari have definitely come out and said anything at all and they haven't.

I am quite sceptical though, as I really cant imagine any Ferrari worker talking to a well known reporter and *apologizing* in advance for a car. If that person was known, they'd be fired right away and I find little reason for somebody to risk their job just to help a Twitter reporter get a scoop.

[Claudiu]

We will see in a few months if the new car sucks or not ... until then its just speculation based on nothing really.

 

Since my expectations are already low I see no reason to panic ;)

 

I'm sure it won't be worse than this year anyway :-\

Edited by Claudiu, 02 December 2014 - 17:42.

[currupipi]

Well if the car was good aerodynamically and the problem was the pu,there is always the possibilty that they dont make such a good car next year

[Raest]

Well if the car was good aerodynamically and the problem was the pu,there is always the possibilty that they dont make such a good car next year

Yeap, then the PU affects the aero as well. For example, the updated engine cover which was a big improvement aero-wise could only be used if the air (or track I forget) temperature was below a certain value (something like 26 deg). This year they are going to have (allegedly) a bigger engine which I would guess has higher cooling requirements and that affects the body aerodynamics. We tend to think of the car in terms of PU and aero being different things but it reality they are very closely interconnected. 

[CrucialXtreme]

The Williams struggled on tracks like Monaco, Hungary, and Singapore. Tracks that place a lot of emphasis on mechanical grip, not aerodynamic grip. At Spain a track that is well known to be a high downforce track, the fastest Williams, Bottas did a 1:26.632 compared to the fastest Ferrari, Kimi, who did a 1:27.104. Nearly half a second down in quali trim whilst in the race, Bottas only finished 10 seconds up the road. I don't think you can merge grip from the chassis, and grip from the aerodynamics here. I think they are two slightly different things. I agree with your overall point in that the aero wasn't that bad, I wouldn't call it strong as it was 3rd at best behind the Red Bull's and Mercedes, which is where they've been for the last 5 years, 3rd best aero behind the Red Bull's and usually one other car (McLaren/Lotus/Mercedes).

Don't be fooled, Monaco, Hungary & Singapore most definitely rely on lots of downforce to go quick. The difference is its dirty raw downforce used where the team isn't worried about efficiency. Yes mechanical grip is a Premimum but so is DF.

Spain is one of the super important aero tracks and the F14T wasn't bad there. The super Aero circuit, Silverstone, where aero is king, the F14T went well there. Alonso came from way back on the grid and could've went higher if not for different things in the race.

The Williams had really good aerodynamic efficiency, you could see that in their top speed alone. I'm not saying the F14T was better on the aerodynamic front than Williams, though I believe Ferrari likely had larger peak DF numbers. I was only trying to say that for once, Aerodynamics wasn't the weakest part of the car and in fact it was one of its strong suits. This shows all the WT work done over the past few years and correlation correction steps the team have taken appear to be paying off. This bodes well for 2015 and is a step in the right direction.

[RunningMan]

Don't be fooled, Monaco, Hungary & Singapore most definitely rely on lots of downforce to go quick. The difference is its dirty raw downforce used where the team isn't worried about efficiency. Yes mechanical grip is a Premimum but so is DF.

Spain is one of the super important aero tracks and the F14T wasn't bad there. The super Aero circuit, Silverstone, where aero is king, the F14T went well there. Alonso came from way back on the grid and could've went higher if not for different things in the race.

The Williams had really good aerodynamic efficiency, you could see that in their top speed alone. I'm not saying the F14T was better on the aerodynamic front than Williams, though I believe Ferrari likely had larger peak DF numbers. I was only trying to say that for once, Aerodynamics wasn't the weakest part of the car and in fact it was one of its strong suits. This shows all the WT work done over the past few years and correlation correction steps the team have taken appear to be paying off. This bodes well for 2015 and is a step in the right direction.

 

 You are right in that this year, the aerodynamics were not the main thing limiting the potential of the car, it was the PU, but I disagree with the point that because of that, aero is now a strength of the car. If you mean strength relative to the rest of the field sure, 3rd best aero out of a field of 10 teams ain't bad, but Ferrari aren't expected to fight for 3rd places, they're expected to fight for wins and championships and 3rd isn't good enough.

 

In previous years, the Ferrari was on average the 3rd best team in terms of aerodynamics. Usually behind the Red Bull's and one of McLaren/Lotus/Mercedes. Now if we look at this year's car, I think it is again at best, the 3rd best car aerodynamically behind the Mercedes and the Red Bull cars. How is that an example of progress when relative to the competition, which is what matters in whether you are competitive or not, they haven't moved up or down the pecking order? 

[warp]

Agreed that aero is finally not the main issue, but chassis balance and PU seem to be the culprit.

 

But if Ferrari comes up with a larger PU or that needs more cooling, then aero may be affected. We'll see.

[Alexandros]

There is an easy scenario where others can catch up: Mercedes throwing away their chassis advantage by tweaking it in the wrong way. Some things like suspension, weight distribution, wheelbase etc can heavily affect the way the car uses the tires. If Mercedes go the wrong way (it's really a matter of luck in certain respects) in some parameters, expecting gains but getting out of the tire's optimum zone, it may be much closer than people expect. 

[turssi]

Depending on luck for success is not an option.

[GrumpyYoungMan]

There is an easy scenario where others can catch up: Mercedes throwing away their chassis advantage by tweaking it in the wrong way. Some things like suspension, weight distribution, wheelbase etc can heavily affect the way the car uses the tires. If Mercedes go the wrong way (it's really a matter of luck in certain respects) in some parameters, expecting gains but getting out of the tire's optimum zone, it may be much closer than people expect. 

Isn't that where simulations come in?

[ViMaMo]

I think Williams could have achieved more. What I mean is DR extracted the best out of that RBR, Lewis from Merc. Not so sure of Massa and Bottas.

[Alexandros]

Isn't that where simulations come in?

 

Normally yes, for most things, but tire behavior is quite hard to simulate...

[Newbrray]

Bob Bell to start Ferrari role in March

 

Link Here

 

Other quote from website 

 

Gazzetta said Tombazis' successor will be Simone Resta, who is currently the deputy designer, even though Tombazis' contract is reportedly proving difficult to break.

Italy's Omnicorse reports that another engineer in Ferrari's sights could be Rob Marshall, currently the chief designer at Red Bull.

The report said Marshall's position has been called into doubt after Red Bull internally blamed him for the illegal wing saga of Abu Dhabi

 

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Edited by Newbrray, 08 December 2014 - 09:25.

[Oho]

Isn't that where simulations come in?

 

Well no, simulation is just that, the results can only be as close to the ground truth as the model. 

[as65p]

Bob Bell to start Ferrari role in March

 

Link Here

 

Other quote from website 

 

Italy's Omnicorse reports that another engineer in Ferrari's sights could be Rob Marshall, currently the chief designer at Red Bull

 

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That has to be either completely wrong or a smokescreen. I don't see any team firing a man for that kind of stuff, unless there are other serious things wrong.

[Nathan]

Maybe he quits...

[EthanM]

Bob Bell to start Ferrari role in March

 

Link Here

 

Other quote from website 

 

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Wish people wouldn't link GMM sourced articles

 

the relevant bit from La Gazzetta is

 

"Fra i nomi che si fanno, ci sono quelli di Rob Marshall (Red Bull), che però ancora giovedì era regolarmente in ufficio a Milton Keynes, e di Bob Bell, che sembrava dover approdare a Maranello già in primavera."

 

With regards to Rob Marshall they say he was still at work in Milton Keynes on Thursday (article came out on Friday)

With regards to Bob Bell they use "sembrava dover approdare " which translates to "seems destined to arrive" in Spring

 

Now with regards to Simone Resta they say "Simone Resta dovrebbe occuparsi dello sviluppo della vettura 2015" which translates to Simone Resta will be responsible for the development (not design) of the 2015 car [In other words they don't say Simone Resta will be the new Chief Designer, he will just be responsible for the development of the 2015 car]. Someone else (the hypothesis is Bob Bell) will take over the design of the 2016 car [and presumably the Chief Designer title]

[quasi C]

"sembrava dover approdare gia in primavera" means "it looked like he was going to join last spring". Not that he's going to join this spring. 

Edited by quasi C, 09 December 2014 - 00:21.

[Newbrray]

Quick question

 

We all know the Mercedes had the best power unit but does anyone know in terms of overall performance and driveability which was the better power unit between the Ferrari and the Renault  or were they just about equal ?