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#201 Barri

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 01:13

He's got the credentials, talent and money...makes sense. 



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#202 bourbon

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 04:11

On the heels of Verstappen and Mini Vettel, another youth of F1 pedigree takes an advertised seat this weekend.  None other than Baby Newey.

 

Harri's turn:

 

http://www.pitpass.c..._source=Pitpass

 

 

2014harrinewey@@fes_width&5E250@@fes_hei

 

 

 

 

Congrats @ Felipe !


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#203 zanquis

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 05:43

Bari, they all have creds talent and money. Some have a bit more creds, some a bit more money. They all make sense except I expected Nasr more to do a Bottas next year. With Massa hopefully in his final year. Come to think about it.

#204 ed24f1

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 07:01

If he does well next year I'm sure he'll still be an option for Williams in 2016 (should Massa and/or Bottas depart). Better for him to take a chance while he has one rather than holding out for one that might not eventuate.



#205 lustigson

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 07:35

Sauber confirmed both their 2015 drivers and we learned that Marussia/Manor as well as Caterham are on next season's entry list: 

 

Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team
Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid – Mercedes PU106B Hybrid
Executive Director Business: Toto Wolff ; Executive Director TechnicalPaddy Lowe ; Technical Director: Bob Bell

44. Lewis Hamilton (signed for ‘13-’15)

6. Nico Rosberg (on a multi-year deal beyond ‘13)

 

Infiniti Red Bull Racing
Red Bull Racing RB11 – Renault Energy F1-2015 (engine deal until ‘16)
Team Principal: Christian Horner ; Chief Technical Officer: Adrian Newey
3. Daniel Ricciardo (on a long-term deal)
25. Daniil Kvyat (Red Bull junior driver)

 

Williams Martini Racing

Williams FW37 – Mercedes PU106B Hybrid (multi-year deal)
Team Principal: Frank Williams ; Technical Director: Pat Symonds
19. Felipe Massa (confirmed for '15)
77. Valtteri Bottas (confirmed for '15)

 

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari F15T – Ferrari 059/4
Team Principal: Marco Mattiacci ; Technical Director: James Allison; Engineering Director: Pat Fry
14. Fernando Alonso (contracted through ‘16, but expected to leave)
7. Kimi Räikkönen (contracted through ‘15)

5. Sebastian Vettel (not yet confirmed, though highly expected)

 

McLaren Honda
McLaren MP4-30 – Honda RA168-E 1.6 V6T
Team Principal: Ron Dennis, Éric Boullier ; Technical Director: Tim Goss, Neil Oatley
22. Jenson Button (option for ‘15)
20. Kevin Magnussen (on a long-term deal?)

14. Fernando Alonso (not yet confirmed, though highly expected)

**. Stoffel Vandoorne (part of McLaren junior driver program)

8. Romain Grosjean (rumoured)
5. Sebastian Vettel (rumoured, but unlikely)
 
Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM08 – Mercedes PU106B Hybrid (multi-year deal)
Team Principal: Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director: Andrew Green
27. Nico Hülkenberg (confirmed for '15)
11. Sergio Pérez (on a multi-year deal with options; not confirmed for '15 yet)

 

Scuderia Toro Rosso

Toro Rosso STR10 – Renault Energy F1-2015
Team Principal: Franz Tost ; Technical Director: James Key
**. Max Verstappen (Red Bull junior driver, on a long-term deal)

25. Jean-Éric Vergne (current driver)

**. Carlos Sainz, jr. (Red Bull junior driver)

**. Pierre Gasly (Red Bull junior driver)
**. Alex Lynn (Red Bull junior driver)
 

Lotus F1 Team
Lotus E23 – Mercedes PU106B Hybrid
Team Principal: Gérard Lopez ; Technical Director: Nick Chester
13. Pastor Maldonado (confirmed for '15)

8. Romain Grosjean
**. Esteban Ocon (rumoured)

 

Manor F1 Team (went into administration in October '14)
MNR 01 – Ferrari 059/4
Team Principal: John Booth ; Technical Director: n/a

4. Max Chilton (current driver; maybe with long-term deal)
17. Jules Bianchi (depending on the extent of his injuries, may not return)

 

Sauber F1 Team (team rumoured to be (partly?) sold)
Sauber C34 – Ferrari 059/4
Team Principal: Monisha Kaltenborn ; Chief Designer: Eric Gandelin

9. Marcus Ericsson (confirmed)

**. Felipe Nasr (confirmed)

 

Caterham F1 Team (went into administration in October '14)

Caterham CT05 – Renault Energy F1-2015
Team Principal: Manfredi Ravetto ; Technical Director: Colin Kolles

10. Kamui Kobayashi

**. ...

Forza Rossa Racing to participate from '16; expected to run French power units

Haas F1 Team to participate from '16; Ferrari technical partnership confirmed.



#206 bourbon

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 08:34

http://www.grandprix..._medium=twitter

 

Suddenly, 24-year-old Vergne is sounding very hopeful, and told Le Figaro, “Nothing is done yet, but I’m not too worried. I’ll be in Formula 1 in 2015.”  Vergne admitted that staying at Toro Rosso is his number one option.



#207 Cyanide

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 08:36

http://www.grandprix..._medium=twitter

 

Suddenly, 24-year-old Vergne is sounding very hopeful, and told Le Figaro, “Nothing is done yet, but I’m not too worried. I’ll be in Formula 1 in 2015.”  Vergne admitted that staying at Toro Rosso is his number one option.

 

That's what Van der Garde said for weeks in a row, also what Sutil used to say. 

 

Let's just wait until an announcement. However, considering how he's upped his game recently, I hope they retain him. 



#208 ed24f1

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 09:04

Not to forget how certain Alguersuari was of finding a deal too, as a fellow Red Bull reject.



#209 Kristian

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 09:57

I think Toro Rosso should keep Vergne, so Verstappen can learn from him. Its the most sensible decision. Two very young rookies would not be the best choice. 



#210 santori

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 10:27

I hope he stays, too. It would be sad if he weren't in F1 considering how well he's driving and how well Ricciardo has done at Red Bull. 

 

I could see him at Williams when Massa retires; he seems the sort of combative driver they like.



#211 septerra

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 10:45

Vergne deserves a drive in F1



#212 BadVoice

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 10:53

I think Toro Rosso should keep Vergne, so Verstappen can learn from him. Its the most sensible decision. Two very young rookies would not be the best choice. 

 

No I think RB dont want someone who will show up Verstappen. Vergne doing so well so late in the season is counter productive to his future. I know this sounds silly but they are building the RB future for Verstappen and need to put someone less capable. So don't be surprised if they bring in another RB rookie. 



#213 scheivlak

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 11:51

No I think RB dont want someone who will show up Verstappen. Vergne doing so well so late in the season is counter productive to his future. I know this sounds silly but they are building the RB future for Verstappen and need to put someone less capable. So don't be surprised if they bring in another RB rookie. 

It's Verstappen who has publicly said that he's in favour of maintaining Vergne. 



#214 Viryfan

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 12:00

It's Verstappen who has publicly said that he's in favour of maintaining Vergne. 

 

The fact that Max got the two days of testing post GP at Abu Dhabi means only one thing.

 

They don't expect to have two rookies at Toro Rosso next year.

 

So Vergne is more likely to stay.



#215 Igorr

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 12:01

not only he deserves to be in F1, he also deserves the RBR seat more than Kvyat in my opiniom. I am sure it would be a hell of a season between him and Ricciardo.



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Posted 06 November 2014 - 12:08

It's Verstappen who has publicly said that he's in favour of maintaining Vergne. 

 

He is not the one running the team. Young prodiges are naive and dont see the big picture. RB wont put someone that would beat him repeatedly. What Verstappen thinks or wants at this stage is irrelevant. 



#217 Exb

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 12:12

No I think RB dont want someone who will show up Verstappen. Vergne doing so well so late in the season is counter productive to his future. I know this sounds silly but they are building the RB future for Verstappen and need to put someone less capable. So don't be surprised if they bring in another RB rookie. 

That doesn't make sense, if he is as good as Red Bull are hoping then he needs to learn to deal with drivers like Vergne (and if he can't then he is probably not the future star Red Bull want so they will have no issues dropping him if it appears he can't make the jump up to F1) however the fact he is so young and inexperienced mean he will get time to develop and the best way for him to do that is alongside an experienced driver who can help him, rather than alongside another rookie who may get just as lost.



#218 scheivlak

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 12:50

He is not the one running the team. Young prodiges are naive and dont see the big picture. RB wont put someone that would beat him repeatedly. What Verstappen thinks or wants at this stage is irrelevant. 

I think he sees the big picture far better than you.



#219 noikeee

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 12:55

No I think RB dont want someone who will show up Verstappen. Vergne doing so well so late in the season is counter productive to his future. I know this sounds silly but they are building the RB future for Verstappen and need to put someone less capable. So don't be surprised if they bring in another RB rookie. 

 

That would stand completely against everything Red Bull have ever done to their youngsters. They always give them huge challenges and are absurdly ruthless with them, they don't give them easy breaks ever.

 

If they get rid of Vergne for a kid it won't be for this reason, I'm dead sure of that.


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#220 zanquis

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 14:17

Well I still remeber Razia's great F1 carreer. Or that of Rossi and Kral, and many others who where announced and then never got to start.
I would not be suprised if at the back of the grid a few seats would change between announcement of drivers and start of the australian grand prix.



#221 Lights

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 16:29

http://www1.skysport...o-leave-mclaren

 

This article sorta says a lot.



#222 Viryfan

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 16:30

According to RMC, Romain Grosjean will communicate on his future very shortly.

 

Maybe an announcement this week-end.


Edited by Viryfan, 06 November 2014 - 16:47.


#223 Exb

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 17:07

According to RMC, Romain Grosjean will communicate on his future very shortly.

 

Maybe an announcement this week-end.

I'm still kind of half expecting Grosjean to end up at McLaren.  

It seems unlikely but I would certainly not be suprised.



#224 SirT

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 17:19

I'm still kind of half expecting Grosjean to end up at McLaren.  

It seems unlikely but I would certainly not be suprised.

 

He is probably their back up option Alonso decides not to join and Button tells Macca to shove it.



#225 Viryfan

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 17:43

Grosjean just told to RMC that he would race with a different engine in 2015....



#226 FNG

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 17:52

Grosjean just told to RMC that he would race with a different engine in 2015....

Well Lotus are switching to Mercedes next year so he will be racing with a different engine if he stays with Lotus



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Posted 06 November 2014 - 17:55

Grosjean just told to RMC that he would race with a different engine in 2015....

Great that rules out Red Bull Toro Rosso and Caterham.



#228 Dolph

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 18:50

Great that rules out Red Bull Toro Rosso and Caterham.

 

:rotfl:



#229 emmanuelrubi

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 19:09

Lets get real who would miss Esteban or Sutil, i would prob miss more Maldonado since at least is funny to watch him crash.

#230 Anja

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 19:21

Not so funny for Lotus' mechanics I'd think...



#231 Arundo

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 21:00

http://www1.skysport...o-leave-mclaren

 

This article sorta says a lot.

 

A shame, I much rather see Button drive for another year. Lets hope Alonso goes to Williams and that forces Massa in retirement.

He's been long overdue but keeps hanging on just like his countryman Barrichello did. 



#232 BiH

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 22:12

Grosjean just told to RMC that he would race with a different engine in 2015....

 

 

Grosjean heading to McLaren with Alonso.



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Posted 06 November 2014 - 23:33

Lets get real who would miss Esteban or Sutil, i would prob miss more Maldonado since at least is funny to watch him crash.

 

Id miss Sutil. Granted he has been a disappointment this year, but has at times in the past shown potential. And btw Maldanado has not crashed in 48 days!!! http://hasmaldonadocrashedtoday.com/



#234 Jimisgod

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 00:56

Grosjean is staying put, bet your house on it. He's pretty much the public face of Lotus.

#235 turssi

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 01:02

Lotus or Total?

#236 JHSingo

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 01:14

I wonder what poor old (or should that be young?) Sainz Jr will think if Vergne stays at Toro Rosso.

 

I mean, what more could the guy have done this year? Wins FR3.5, becoming the first Red Bull driver to do so, gets overlooked in favour of Verstappen, and now most likely in favour of a driver Toro Rosso confirmed was leaving just a couple of months ago. :drunk:

 

Grosjean just told to RMC that he would race with a different engine in 2015....

 

Why is this surprising? We already knew Lotus were going to use Merc engines next season.


Edited by JHSingo, 07 November 2014 - 01:16.


#237 discover23

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 01:58

I read on marca or as , i can't remember which one that Grosjean burnt all his bridges with Mclaren/Boullier for trying to setup a meeting with Ron without sending an invite to Eric.

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 03:41

Grosjean just told to RMC that he would race with a different engine in 2015....

 

Isn't Lotus jumping to Mercedes engines next year?



#239 bourbon

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 03:56

http://www1.skysport...o-leave-mclaren

 

This article sorta says a lot.

 

It does.  But what did Jenson mean by "I don't know" when asked if he'd stay if McLaren wanted him.  Is he being maudlin?  Does he have offers elsewhere he is super interested in?  Is he truly worried about KMag having a seat as he was saying last race?  What changed?  He was saying not a month ago that he would love to stay. :well:



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#240 Peter Perfect

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 07:03

It does.  But what did Jenson mean by "I don't know" when asked if he'd stay if McLaren wanted him.  Is he being maudlin?  Does he have offers elsewhere he is super interested in?  Is he truly worried about KMag having a seat as he was saying last race?  What changed?  He was saying not a month ago that he would love to stay. :well:

 

He's been kept hanging by the team for so long I wonder if mentally he's already left. The last race was laughable frankly for the way the team handled his pitstops and he was clearly confused by the reasons behind it. Something's definitely broken behind the scenes.



#241 Kristian

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 08:55

Considering the service he's provided for the team in the last 5 years, the fact he's brought the majority of points over all his teammates, and he's been a heck of a team player despite them giving him some pretty awful cars, they are treating him absolutely shoddily. I've supported Jenson since he got into F1, and it will be sad if he can't have a big party in Abu Dhabi to send him off, considering he's the 3rd most experienced driver in F1 history. So if he's off I hope they announce it soon. 

 

In a perfect world, McLaren would sign Alonso and retain Button on a 1yr deal to bring lots of  experience for the transition to Honda (as well as JB's marketability in Japan), and sponsor Kmag to race in another series to keep him sharp, then bring him back for 2016 (it didn't do Alonso or Massa any harm to take a year out after their rookie seasons). 



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Posted 07 November 2014 - 08:58

Grosjean is staying put, bet your house on it. He's pretty much the public face of Lotus.

 

He came 3rd behind David Guetta in the same team though, that sort of performance deserves to be sacked :lol:



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Posted 07 November 2014 - 11:11

Considering the service he's provided for the team in the last 5 years, the fact he's brought the majority of points over all his teammates, and he's been a heck of a team player despite them giving him some pretty awful cars, they are treating him absolutely shoddily. I've supported Jenson since he got into F1, and it will be sad if he can't have a big party in Abu Dhabi to send him off, considering he's the 3rd most experienced driver in F1 history. So if he's off I hope they announce it soon. 

 

In a perfect world, McLaren would sign Alonso and retain Button on a 1yr deal to bring lots of  experience for the transition to Honda (as well as JB's marketability in Japan), and sponsor Kmag to race in another series to keep him sharp, then bring him back for 2016 (it didn't do Alonso or Massa any harm to take a year out after their rookie seasons). 

Nice idea, but a difference with now and then is that Alonso and Massa were able to participate in a full testing programme in F1 machinery. Taking Magnussen out of F1 cars and putting him into others is a step backwards, in my opinion. It keeps him fit, but I don't think it makes him a better F1 driver.


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#244 Kristian

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 11:16

Nice idea, but a difference with now and then is that Alonso and Massa were able to participate in a full testing programme in F1 machinery. Taking Magnussen out of F1 cars and putting him into others is a step backwards, in my opinion. It keeps him fit, but I don't think it makes him a better F1 driver.

 

I know, but testing doesn't keep your racecraft sharp. 

 

So OK the driving might not be in F1 machinery, but the competition and racing would still be kept going. 



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Posted 07 November 2014 - 11:17

Nice idea, but a difference with now and then is that Alonso and Massa were able to participate in a full testing programme in F1 machinery. Taking Magnussen out of F1 cars and putting him into others is a step backwards, in my opinion. It keeps him fit, but I don't think it makes him a better F1 driver.

 

Magnussen himself said he used to race at the front thus struggle a bit in pack. So goind into midfield team (even more midfield than Macca is ATM) will give him the opportunity to race wheel to wheel in tight pack without pressure. 

 

And look what running in HRT had done to Ricciardo. 


Edited by sofarapartguy, 07 November 2014 - 11:17.


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Posted 07 November 2014 - 11:18

Id miss Sutil. Granted he has been a disappointment this year, but has at times in the past shown potential. And btw Maldanado has not crashed in 48 days!!! http://hasmaldonadocrashedtoday.com/


Yes, but I believe that 21 of those days we had no racing!

#247 hittheapex

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 11:24

I know, but testing doesn't keep your racecraft sharp. 

 

So OK the driving might not be in F1 machinery, but the competition and racing would still be kept going. 

 

 

Magnussen himself said he used to race at the front thus struggle a bit in pack. So goind into midfield team (even more midfield than Macca is ATM) will give him the opportunity to race wheel to wheel in tight pack without pressure. 

 

And look what running in HRT had done to Ricciardo. 

Fair counter arguments, in that sense he could improve.



#248 topical

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 11:33

Any news on Alonso? I think we need more speculation about his movements for 2015.



#249 hittheapex

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 11:36

Any news on Alonso? I think we need more speculation about his movements for 2015.

So far the movement of his arms, legs and digits is expected to be fine.

 

 

 

 

I'll get my coat.



#250 Maustinsj

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 11:45

So far the movement of his arms, legs and digits is expected to be fine.

 

 

 

 

I'll get my coat.

 

Badum tsss.