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[Tourgott]

This was Ferraris proposal for the "new F1":

http://f1concept.ferrari.com

 

Thank god it was rejected.

[Timstr11]

Well, I like this kind of thinking.

Instead of making F1 cars look like 'old timers', we should look ahead and come out with something really spectacular that rethinks how an open wheel car should look.

 

@Tourgott: There was no vote on concepts, so where did you get it was rejected? It's just a design concept presented by Ferrari.

 

Edited by Timstr11, 17 February 2015 - 09:31.

[Gilles4Ever]

This was Ferraris proposal for the "new F1":

http://f1concept.ferrari.com

 

Thank god it was rejected.

It was proposed? To who? As what?

[Tourgott]

It was proposed? To who? As what?

 

It was proposed from Ferrari at the meeting two weeks ago.

 

 

 

Wir wissen, was Red Bull vorgeschlagen hat und was Ferrari am liebsten hätte. Und wir sind enttäuscht. Der Ferrari-Formel 1 ist ein verkappter Sportwagen, der dem La Ferrari nicht unähnlich sieht. Wen wundert's?

 

http://www.auto-moto...hr-9255436.html

 

AMuS later reported that all proposals have been rejected. Unfortunately I can't find it right now.

[Gilles4Ever]

Ferrari reveals its concept for the future of Formula 1 cars

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/117711

 

Rather than pushing for any set direction of rules - such as car width, tyre size or engine capacity - the idea of the Ferrari concept car is purely to show how simple it would be to make sweeping car changes.

 

Following weeks of work from Ferrari's own in-house design studio, in close co-operation with its F1 aerodynamic department, the result is a very futuristic looking car that still sticks to the general concept of current regulations.

 

Ferrari's publication of its concept car comes just a fortnight after McLaren and Red Bull showed rival teams in a strategy group meeting concepts that they would like to see.

Both teams have declined to release those images, although it is understood they are not as radical as the Ferrari car.

[ClubmanGT]

This design has a real Group C feel to it while still retaining open wheels. It also looks like a BAC mono on crack.

 

I am OK with these things. 

[ConsiderAndGo]

The concept looks incredible! 

[Dalton007]

Well, I like this kind of thinking.

Instead of making F1 cars look like 'old timers', we should look ahead and come out with something really spectacular that rethinks how an open wheel car should look.

 

@Tourgott: There was no vote on concepts, so where did you get it was rejected? It's just a design concept presented by Ferrari.

 

 

 

 That looks terrific. A bit over-the-top, but still  I want to see something radical.

[SealTheDiffuser]

The concept looks incredible! 

 

Incredibly SH*T! (as F1 car)

[ClubmanGT]

Incredibly SH*T! (as F1 car)

 

If I have the choice between the front-heavy/narrow tall rear wing rubbish of the last couple of years and Futuristic Can Am F1 car then I choose the latter any day of the week. 

[Cyanide]

LOL. no. 

 

Looks way too sci-fi and something belonging to sports car racing like Le Mans. Not F1 material. 

[AustinF1]

http://www.motorspor...pt-car/?v=2&s=1

 

 

 

[Francesc]

Ridiculous concept car.

[ClubmanGT]

Futuristic Can-Am F1 car owns, let's have this from 2017 onwards or whatever. 

 

It'd be a welcome change from the derivative 'massive front wing, tiny boxy tall rear wing' look.

[Stephane]

Ferrari is going to Indy ?

[kimster89]

Good. Very futuristic but i think it looks too similar to a road car. Its still must look like an f1 car.

[ConsiderAndGo]

I really like it. 

 

Not so keen on the covered rear wheels but overall, I think its a good first shot.

[ClubmanGT]

Good. Very futuristic but i think it looks too similar to a road car. Its still must look like an f1 car.

 

There's been sixty years of Formula One, which one exactly did you have in mind? 

[ClubmanGT]

LOL. no. 

 

Looks way too sci-fi and something belonging to sports car racing like Le Mans. Not F1 material. 

 

F1 is whatever the FIA designate as the best single-seater category, what you're really saying is that it doesn't suit your personal ideals about what F1 should be.

[Newbrray]

looks like the no restrictions F1 car designed by Adrian Newey if there were no stifling F1 regs to hold him back 

 

[Jake360]

Good. Very futuristic but i think it looks too similar to a road car. Its still must look like an f1 car.

 

I'm inclined to agree but i think it's just the panel with the shell and UPS logo on it, without that i think it'll be an F1 car.

 

I'm not sure this design will help F1 anyway. The amount of downforce that thing must produce... we'll still need DRS!

[SealTheDiffuser]

already REJECTED!  (by strategy group)

 

a Scuderia Formula Challenge they could make with that but not F1.

[wookles]

Very pretty but is there any guarantee that the racing would be more of a spectacle ?

[David Lightman]

Did a child brief this to their designer?

[Cyanide]

F1 is whatever the FIA designate as the best single-seater category, what you're really saying is that it doesn't suit your personal ideals about what F1 should be.

 

Of course it's my opinion, everything posted here is somebody's opinion. 

 

But that just looks like a sports racing car, rather than an F1 car. Then again, I wouldn't mind if they went for something as radical as that but with a different design perhaps. 

Edited by Cyanide, 17 February 2015 - 10:14.

[David Lightman]

The irony is Ferrari would probably still suck.

[NoSanityClause]

To the Vet-mobile!

[blackhand2010]

Newey's Red Bull F1 concept looks as if time, thought and design has gone into it.

The Ferrari concept looks like a a 14 year old was asked to design a fast car...

[ConsiderAndGo]

already REJECTED!  (by strategy group)

 

a Scuderia Formula Challenge they could make with that but not F1.

 

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! It's a concept, it wasn't presented to the strategy group! There's nothing to reject or approve! 

 

It's the engine regs they wanted for 2017 that was rejected!

[OO7]

Well, I like this kind of thinking.

Instead of making F1 cars look like 'old timers', we should look ahead and come out with something really spectacular that rethinks how an open wheel car should look.

 

@Tourgott: There was no vote on concepts, so where did you get it was rejected? It's just a design concept presented by Ferrari.

 

While an interesting concept, the problems I see are:

1) With the exception of the front end the car looks just like a bloated F1 car.  

2) While the front end looks radical and spectacular, what purpose does it serve, because I see the engineers trimming most of that off.  

The most spectacular cars in my book have been the 2008 variety.

[mtknot]

Wings R Us Ferrari vs Aero efficiency Red Bull X2012 hmm

That thing clearly has a fan for downforce too. 

I think the spectacle would be so amazing that our eyeballs would explode watching them. Also crashes would be like watching a fighter jet crash - oh let's add ejector seats too. Not sure there'd be any racing left, but who cares. 


But my armchair cfd tells me that this car is idiotic, compared to a Red Bull X2012 -gulps some red bull-, since there's not really any farings over the front wheels for aero efficiency / to clean the airflow up. Also the X2012 is beautiful. This isn't. 

 

Edited by mtknot, 17 February 2015 - 10:31.

[SealTheDiffuser]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! It's a concept, it wasn't presented to the strategy group! There's nothing to reject or approve! 

 

It's the engine regs they wanted for 2017 that was rejected!

 

so it will be REJECTED today?

[B Squared]

Ferrari is going to Indy ?

My first thought also.

[Gilles4Ever]

Wings R Us Ferrari vs Aero efficiency Red Bull X2012 hmm

That thing clearly has a fan for downforce too. 

I think the spectacle would be so amazing that our eyeballs would explode watching them. Also crashes would be like watching a fighter jet crash - oh let's add ejector seats too. Not sure there'd be any racing left, but who cares. 


But my armchair cfd tells me that this car is idiotic, compared to a Red Bull X2012 -gulps some red bull-, since there's not really any farings over the front wheels for aero efficiency / to clean the airflow up. Also the X2012 is beautiful. This isn't. 

 

Following weeks of work from Ferrari's own in-house design studio, in close co-operation with its F1 aerodynamic department, the result is a very futuristic looking car that still sticks to the general concept of current regulations.

It features a double decker front wing and sleekly sculpted bodywork, plus a simple large rear wing.

Ferrari's publication of its concept car comes just a fortnight after McLaren and Red Bull showed rival teams in a strategy group meeting concepts that they would like to see.

 

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/117711

[turssi]

Looks heavy.

[midgrid]

Sorry, I think it's hideous.  It looks too much like a road-going supercar, and I don't like the way that the wheels are partially enclosed.

 

 

still sticks to the general concept of current regulations.

 

This phrase is meaningless without further explanation.

[Man of the race]

For me, There is always something essentially wrong with the F1 car concepts, where you don't see the racing driver. It would feel like staring at an energy drink can for two hours.

[Richard T]

I like it. This looks absolutely stunning

[Nonesuch]

It's a fun sketch, but I'm not sure what this accomplishes. It seems like most of the design was based on some sort of desperate desire to keep it a technically 'open wheel' car.

[Gilles4Ever]

It's a fun sketch, but I'm not sure what this accomplishes. It seems like most of the design was based on some sort of desperate desire to keep it a technically 'open wheel' car.

from the Autosport article

 

Rather than pushing for any set direction of rules - such as car width, tyre size or engine capacity - the idea of the Ferrari concept car is purely to show how simple it would be to make sweeping car changes.

[Ferrari2183]

I don't know... Looks interesting although a bit too busy.

 

I'd lose all the bodywork around the wheels.

[sopa]

Such futuristic concept drawings always look somewhat stunning - "wow, what's that - incredible!"

However, whatever they dream up, even if they try to implement something close to it, real life will always look somewhat more ordinary. So I am not concerned it looks a bit "flashy" and the effort might have been a bit over the top in terms of all the detail. As long as they have a vision, it is fine I guess. Without vision F1 is doomed.

[chunder27]

Really?

 

If Ferrari wnatc ars that are flat out round every corner then fine.

 

I would prefer less wings, less ponderous aerodynamasists wet dream garbage and a slippy car, decent rear wing to allow drafting, and skinnier tyres to promote tyre conservation.

[Jamiednm]

LOL at people saying how ridiculous and unrealistic it is. That's the point! It's a concept car, to take queues and ideas from!

 

I think F1 needs more of this kind of thinking and buzz to create discussion.

[midgrid]

I'm not sure what to make of this article.

 

Hiring stylists to design the blueprint of an ideal F1 design would surely result in even more restrictive technical regulations.

 

The IndyCar comparison isn't fair as it is a spec series in terms of chassis (although it will be interesting to see what happens this year with the introduction of custom aero kits).

 

 

 

As Ferrari's concept shows, how the cars look is of much more interest to fan than how wide its suspension is or what configuration of engine is inside it.

 

Oh, so I guess engine sound is no longer an issue?  It would be fine if F1 were to be a spec series as long as the cars look good (which is, of course, highly subjective)?

 

I think that an overhaul of the technical regulations would be good, in principle at least, but that it should be based on a general relaxation of the rules.  This is obviously not possible at the moment without corresponding major changes to the sporting regulations due to the lamentable state of the smaller teams' finances, so I fear that the F1 Commission will try to achieve a similar "revolution" by tightening up the technical regulations instead, thus further lessening one of F1's key historic differentiators between it and many other forms of motorsport.

 

I'm not convinced by this concept and Autosport's analysis, but let's see what the official commission produces later in the day.

[Timstr11]

While an interesting concept, the problems I see are:

1) With the exception of the front end the car looks just like a bloated F1 car.  

2) While the front end looks radical and spectacular, what purpose does it serve, because I see the engineers trimming most of that off.  

The most spectacular cars in my book have been the 2008 variety.

 

It does look a bit over-designed, but i'm looking at it as a concept with some elements that will make F1 stand out as the pinnacle of open wheel series.

Many cannot tell F1 apart from many other open wheel series.

 

I do wish Ferrari had explained some  of the design choices.

I think the fairings around the wheels are to control the detrimental wheel wakes.

The 2008 cars had all these vortex generators and flickups all over the cars which I personally did not find attractive.

[Fatgadget]

 Love it.  Do they say what sort of Power Unit? 

[P123]

Nice drawing, although I agree with 007 that it looks a bit bloated.  Would it give good racing?  Would it make the cars challenging to drive?  What would they really look like once they were run through the unsympathetic to aesthetics CFD programmes the teams rely on these days.....

 

The real issue is that the same people are now going to repeat the same errors with knee jerk and misguided reactions to problems that don't exist....  If F1 wants a true rules revolution then none of the self serving lot from Red Bull, Ferrari, Ecclestone, Merc, etc can be involved. 

Edited by P123, 17 February 2015 - 11:10.

[midgrid]

LOL at people saying how ridiculous and unrealistic it is. That's the point! It's a concept car, to take queues and ideas from!

 

I think F1 needs more of this kind of thinking and buzz to create discussion.

 

Rather than pushing for any set direction of rules - such as car width, tyre size or engine capacity - the idea of the Ferrari concept car is purely to show how simple it would be to make sweeping car changes.

 

Following weeks of work from Ferrari's own in-house design studio, in close co-operation with its F1 aerodynamic department, the result is a very futuristic looking car that still sticks to the general concept of current regulations.

 

But it is (apparently) a plausible design, which is the point of the exercise.

[SenorSjon]

It looks way better then the current racing sticks with out of proportion rear wings and overdesigned front wing elements.