33 replies to this topic

[DanTra2858]

What modifications would have to be made to the track runoff area,s & where to be eligable to run F1.

No need to cover requirement for pit,s etc. only track.

[brucemoxon]

Bulldoze the mountain...

 

 

 

 

BM

[Ray Bell]

Wow! Who's to say, really, I don't think you could build sand traps that big!

Of course there's a problem there with FIA track approval, they were supposed to move back the wall where that fatal crash happened round the top of the mountain before that happened and it still hasn't been done.

[GreenMachine]

Not going to happen, waste of time trying to catalogue the 'improvements' required.  Sorry Dan.

 

Bruce is jesting (I think), but yes, a fleet of big ones, to carve out a 'new' Bathurst track, perhaps having some of the characteristics of the current one, but not many.  And nobody has that much money, and nobody would spend it if they had to repay it from track-related income.  Maybe a new short circuit would work, but that would be a mere shadow of Mt Panorama ... (pun intended)

 

Ray, what crash was that (where)?

[Dipster]

Put the ticket prices up to an astronomical level...........

[kayemod]

Put the ticket prices up to an astronomical level...........

 

Yes, and Effwun wouldn't come unless there were enough five star hotels within easy reach, they have to maintain standards you know..

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by GreenMachine
.....Ray, what crash was that (where)?

In addition to the wall not being moved back, the track wasn't widened to the minimum width requirement as instructed.

[Catalina Park]

Notice behind the concrete wall is the old tyre wall. So the run off was made narrower. I was racing there in the years of the changes and it seemed to go bacwards as far as safety was concerned.
The higher concrete wall blocked a lot of vision. If a car spun up ahead it was hidden behind the wall and the crest.

Edited by Catalina Park, 23 February 2015 - 22:10.

[Gary Davies]

Methinks the preferable question would centre on F1 modifications to suit Bathurst.

But I will put my hand up to a charge of Olde Fartdom.

[DanTra2858]

Notice behind the concrete wall is the old tyre wall. So the run off was made narrower. I was racing there in the years of the changes and it seemed to go bacwards as far as safety was concerned.
The higher concrete wall blocked a lot of vision. If a car spun up ahead it was hidden behind the wall and the crest.

Thanks for all the inputs, Catalina is the only one that has really began to answer my question, I must say that I am very surprised by the remainder of the Answers to what I thought would become a reasonable subject.

[Lee Nicolle]

It would never happen, or if it did it would be emasculated. As has happened to a few Euro tracks. About 10 chicanes would be required and move most of the walls back 20 metres. 

Look at a Tilke track and realise the' improvements' required. 

In hindsight Adelaide would not pass now, and it is a wonder it did even 30 years ago. 

Michael is right in that the walls  are closer to the track , and there is less vision too. A few competitors I know that raced there over years have said that.

Look at 70s footage and now. The Mountain is a LOT different in many small ways. The Dipper in a large way.

[Peter0Scandlyn]

Astro turf. Got to have astro turf.

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by Gary Davies
Methinks the preferable question would centre on F1 modifications to suit Bathurst.....

What a good idea!

[eldougo]

Even Herman "the german " TILKE. would choke  at the thought of safety at  BATHURST .

[Catalina Park]

Tilke raced at Bathurst a couple of years back.

[Lee Nicolle]

What a good idea!

Yeah, 4" of suspension travel. A truck load of downforce. And half a field of new drivers too as many would be a week off the pace s they are used to the babies bum smooth tracks.

Sports Cars,,, now maybe they could come play on the existing track. They even have a TV commentator who drives them now. And I feel sure he has the balls. Though aero would be a real problem in a few places both going up and down the mountain. Though the diesel residue may upset the farmers!!

[byrkus]

Imagine this...

 

 

...turned into this.

 

 

No, thanks.

 

[brucemoxon]

They'd have to widen the track heaps, move walls back a very long way, put in huge run-off areas and gravel traps. Spectator areas would be found in Orange, Lithgow and Hill End. The residents around the track would never stand for it.

 

 

 

 

Bruce Moxon

[f1steveuk]

I'm not an old fart, but the two questions I would ask in reply are. Why? And, what has it to do with "Nostalgia"?

 

There's a world of old circuits that would be, in the modern day terminology, awesome, to drive in a formula one car, but location, geography etc, make it all but impossible.

 

Having worked in circuit and camera planning, within F1, the criteria for a F1 circuit license are complex. A temporary testing license (not a race license note) was issued to Nogaro, for a pre Monaco test. It had a speed restriction in it. Like a driver wouldn't be trying to go flat out? You also have to ask yourself, F1 at Bathurst? Demo;, testing, race? All would have different restrictions, as well as having a few different set of regulations to comply with, technical, safety and sporting, to name but three.

 

Of course, there's the other route, "build it and they wil come", but I can't see that!

[275 GTB-4]

[lyntonh]

And, of course, the place would need to be blessed with all that nice catch fencing, adding to the visual pleasure

of being there, seeing the cars as if through a fly screen door & adding another piece of unnecessary junk to any photos

you may want to take of those increasingly antiseptic driver-hiding billboards.

[DanTra2858]

Mick that Video of Button is one of the reasons that I posted the question on the Forum in the first place, MAGIC.

[275 GTB-4]

Mick that Video of Button is one of the reasons that I posted the question on the Forum in the first place, MAGIC.

and with a lot more practice laps, tyre choice and suspension tweaks I shudder to think what lap times he could have achieved.

However, a full field trying to negotiate most of the corners might not be so pretty

[ellrosso]

Wow, that footage of Button is just sensational!!!!! I had to work that day so missed out on seeing it live. The thought of a full field trying to get around unscathed is a bit scary, but could you imagine it........

Always wondered how it felt on the old layout for Neil Allen in the M10B when he set the lap record in 1970 - would have been pretty amazing too I'd imagine.

[Ian G]

OT a bit but my Niece is a Journo and apparently the NSW State Govt. is looking at F-1 again with some sort of Multi-Million fighting fund if they get re-elected,dusting off plans for a Sydney Street Circuit with support from James Packer to highlight his new Casino.Anyway time will tell.

[275 GTB-4]

OT a bit but my Niece is a Journo and apparently the NSW State Govt. is looking at F-1 again with some sort of Multi-Million fighting fund if they get re-elected,dusting off plans for a Sydney Street Circuit with support from James Packer to highlight his new Casino.Anyway time will tell.

Quick! someone check the proposed street layout at http://www.barangaroo.com/ for any Herman the German influences???

[brucemoxon]

I was there for the Button laps (in fact, I'm in the video)...

 

They ran that car with maximum wing, maximum ride-height and restricted revs and throttle percentage. And it was still on the rev limiter in top on Mountain Straight, let alone Conrod.

 

 

Bruce Moxon

[Michael Ferner]

I don't know if it's the same for everyone, but the freeze frame I see shows the car well up the mountain, and the lap time ticking at 39 seconds. Impossible, I thought, until I watched the vid... WOW! That is some going! A lap time well under two minutes - impressive!!

[Ray Bell]

I thought the 'freeze frame' was from some errant rock...

It has happened before, after all.

[timbo]

Given that the only "upgrades" to the track in recent years has been to add more concrete walls closer to the track, perhaps its time for an F1 style renovation.

[Lee Nicolle]

and with a lot more practice laps, tyre choice and suspension tweaks I shudder to think what lap times he could have achieved.

However, a full field trying to negotiate most of the corners might not be so pretty

They would have to widen Hell Corner about 20 metres just so 18 F1s could get around!

Though after 2 laps the field would be so spread out it would be as boring as bat s**t unless the heroes crash. Which would be more than likely.

[Ian G]

Quick! someone check the proposed street layout at http://www.barangaroo.com/ for any Herman the German influences???

Mick..thats so last year,new circuit starts at the Quay,over the Bridge up & down North Sydney & back via the Tunnel,leave a couple of lanes open on the Bridge to keep commuters happy......   

 

 

http://www.heraldsun...3-1227015945340

Edited by Ian G, 26 February 2015 - 05:21.

[275 GTB-4]

Mick..thats so last year,new circuit starts at the Quay,over the Bridge up & down North Sydney & back via the Tunnel,leave a couple of lanes open on the Bridge to keep commuters happy......    
 
http://www.heraldsun...3-1227015945340

Bernie can go take a running jump! Mark has been across the bridge to prove that part of your proposed track anyway...



Most confusing use of Sydneyscape though was a McCloud episode, one minute he is heading north on the bridge next he is miles away next miles away again...all for the tourists no doubt...

Edited by 275 GTB-4, 26 February 2015 - 07:03.

[ToxicEnviroment]

What modifications would have to be made to the track runoff area,s & where to be eligable to run F1.

No need to cover requirement for pit,s etc. only track.

depends on drivers who would drive them F1 cars

 

Back in the day neither Mario or Bunser would have any objections