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[foxyracer]

Why the kneejerk reaction?

 

Not all races will be what you consider to be 'exciting'.

 

Surely the last 65 years of Formula 1 has taught people that?

Correct.  Nobody expects every race to be exciting.  No race of any sort can guarantee that.  However, it certainly makes it more exciting if I can look forward to Malaysia knowing that the teams who were less successful in Australia had been able to modify and test anything they wanted to in order to improve performance next time out.  It's changing fortunes I want to see and the rules have to make that possible.

Edited by foxyracer, 16 March 2015 - 11:03.

[pdac]

I liked it when it was about exotic race cars running loud, V10 exotic engines that did not have any thing to do with "road car relevance" and fuel saving, and teams could work everyday and test as they wanted in order to make up the gap.

 

I'm not sure why I'm watching now.  Saving fuel with fly-by-wire vacuum cleaners wasn't super thrilling last year, I don't think it's going to be any better this year.

 

"JUST LOOK AT THEM SAVING FUEL!!!!  CLOSE YOUR EYES, DO YOU HEAR THAT?  YOU DON'T, BECAUSE they're saving fuel!!!!"

 

 

 

Not sure it would satisfy your V10 lust, but I think they should try to make very simple regulations. For example, if they want to show  a green face, just limit the resources. Limit the amount of fuels and tyres they have to race with. Leave it up to the teams to decide the best kind of engine to work with or the tyre compound to use. I know  that it's inevitable that the teams will all migrate towards the same solutiion eventually, but they are forced to do that now anyway.

[RealRacing]

Yeah that's not going to cost money at all. It's "just a rule". 
 
Look I'd love for there to be completely open development, unlimited testing, no BS parts saving, etc. But it's just not going to happen specially in this climate. All of that would just kill the sport in 2 days.

The part you quoted is, effectively, just a rule

 

http://en.wikipedia....Parc_ferm.C3.A9. And that´s a big point with other aspects as well: it's just a matter of changing stupid rules.

 

I never said completely open development. There's a formula here after all and they have to move inside it. With rules for the long term they get ever closer to the limits of performance within that rule and they get closer to each other creating closer racing. 

 

I never said unlimited testing, but testing that allows teams to catch up within a season, not within years if at all.

 

Yes, they need to find a way to make income distribution fairer and lower costs of participation for smaller teams. But they can make some relatively quick and effective changes that would improve the competitiveness of the teams and, as a result, racing on the track, which is what we are all hoping for.  

 

[Scuderia312]

If every race would have ten lead changes, two dramatic moments and a lot of fantastic overtake then after 30+ grands prix like that such races will be regarded 'normal/average/' not 'thrilling/fantastic/absorbing/phenomenal'.

 

To be better in something someone must be worse than you. The same applies to F1 - to regard a grand prix as exciting, such race must be better than most.

[CoolBreeze]

My 2 cents..

 

1. Scrap Qualifying.

 

It's boring. Instead, make it into a 1 hour sprint race. The winner starts the last on Sunday, and the last finisher on Saturday starts on pole. This way, the smaller teams get better air time,the drivers can showcase their talent in overtaking and defending positions. Plus, it's bloody exciting with potentially lots of overtaking. 

 

2. Bring back testing

 

While it's expensive, why not stay back on GP circuits on Monday and Tuesday, when there's two weeks or three weeks break in between? Run the cars, run the 3rd drivers, and fans still get to see some action..

 

3. Go back to basics

 

Let humans design and build the cars. Not computers. The 70s, 80s, and 90s saw beautiful cars and great racing too. Oh..and bring back steel brakes. It increases braking distance, and this promotes overtaking. 

 

4. Be more fan interactive

 

Instead of the bloody paddock club, where celebrities and big timers walk around the grid, having absolutely no idea what's going on, why not let real fans roam the grid? Of course, it will be premium price, but make it easily available. Let the drivers do more PR and engage more with fans, sign autographs, etc. 

 

5. Let them race!

 

Stop imposing nonsense penalties. Let men be men and let them race on track. 

 

6. Race, not manage

 

As a fan, i feel shortchanged. I pay to see racing, not drivers lifting and coasting. It's nonsense when i hear they drivers being urged to save fuel, save tyres, save the gearbox..might as well save everything and go back home. 

 

7. Bring back the noise

 

What made F1 unique was the bloody sound! Nothing else on earth sounds like the wails of a V10. The sound of all 22 cars at the start of the 5 sec countdown..that's the sound of God himself!

[Turbo1]

My 2 cents..

 

1. Scrap Qualifying.

 

It's boring. Instead, make it into a 1 hour sprint race. The winner starts the last on Sunday, and the last finisher on Saturday starts on pole. This way, the smaller teams get better air time,the drivers can showcase their talent in overtaking and defending positions. Plus, it's bloody exciting with potentially lots of overtaking. 

 

Why would anyone want to win the race if they start last? it would lead to a farce of everyone trying to finish last. Qualifying is very exciting, and a core of motorsport, what a silly idea, and utterly contrived even if it did work.

[SealTheDiffuser]

 

this is the Silverstone guy, the Hockenheim one really was much better... made an awesome race! that I mostly missed because I was at the beach after the quick MSC exit...

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 19 March 2015 - 10:03.

[Peat]

 

this is the Silverstone guy, the Hockenheim one really was much better... made an awesome race! that I mostly missed because I was at the beach after the quick MSC exit...

Yay! Silverstone guy!

That was the last Grand Prix i went to. I decided that was the peak of entertainment and would never be bettered, so vow'ed never to line Bernard Charles Ecclestone's pockets again. I was right. 
 

[GSiebert]

Invent a time machine that makes you go back to 1967.

Follow F1 until 2000.

Go back in the time machine.

Repeat.

Edited by GSiebert, 19 March 2015 - 10:39.

[Sash1]

F1 should be about racing. For hybrid engines, engine endurance and fuel efficiency there is a race called 24 hours of Le Mans. Take your green prototype stuff there where it belongs. F1 has become a 24hr race stuffed into a little less than 2 hours.

[AlexisBT]

Seeing as there are various discussions about this across different threads I though it should probably have its own thread.

The Australian GP was desperately lacking action and excitement today so this is just a thread where you can share your ideas on what should be done to make F1 more interesting and exciting.

 

-A budget cap, hard and strongly enforced from the FIA

-Better revenue sharing

-More power, less flow restriction but keep total fuel capacity as low as possible. Wider rear tires.

[Alexis*27]

Rock and hard place.

 

Capping the spending by freezing the engines has meant one team has run away from the rest. But then again, F1 is cyclical. Mercedes won't be ahead for ever, just like Williams, McLaren, Red Bull and Ferrari before them.

 

The high cost of the engines in the first place has sent teams to the wall.

 

You could look at it in one way by accepting that we're over the hump and the engines are done now. It's tough for Caterham, but there needs to be a budget cap of some description or else more teams will go and no one will take their place. Todt's 'hands-off' strategy is starting to unravel.

[Tardis40]

Dump the idiotic restrictions.

Here we have a racecar that cost umpteen million a copy and they only get so many tires, so much fuel, and they can only operate it at specified times.

[Tardis40]

And get rid of parc ferme.  Let the teams set the bloody cars up and run them the way they want to.  I must be maddening in the extreme to be constantly stymied by silly rules.

Cut costs by cutting the race distance in half. 

[Redzone]

Scrap qualifying ? What about the extra TV revenue?  Oh NO!!

 

Have two heat races. No refueling and no tire changing?

Have the field draw their starting position by lottery?

 

Outlaw all electronics and data feeds from cars at all time. Ban team orders and radio communication from pits during race. 

 

Or put Alonso, Vettell and Hamilton in the same team, and before each race, they draw the number of the car they will drive and ban team orders, data feeds and radio communication from pits during race. 

 

Change the teams they are in before each race, for one race they are in Mercs, next Ferrari, then Mclaren.....with the other drivers doing a similar rotation through the cars.

 

BTW--no one cares about the WCT,  only the WDC anyway.....

[Redzone]

 

this is the Silverstone guy, the Hockenheim one really was much better... made an awesome race! that I mostly missed because I was at the beach after the quick MSC exit...

 

 

More fun would be having Bernie and various team managers run around like this on the track,  with extra points for near contact, depending on how close, and disqualification for actually hitting one of them.  Otherwise, without a penalty for actual contact, the fun might be too quickly gone and viewers lose interest....

[Tourgott]

http://www.saveourformula.com

[Atreiu]

By the way, the SC and Raikkonen's first lap contact were enough to shuffle the order and create a false reversed grid. Turned out fine, IMO.