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[Jackmancer]

Nissan GT-R #23 of Jann Mardenborough landed in the crowd...

Updates to follow

 

MOD EDIT: Accident image spoilered 

Spoiler

 

[tmekt]

Yikes    hoping no-one (including the driver) got hurt.

 

EDIT: looking closer at the picture driver seems to be out of the car

Edited by tmekt, 28 March 2015 - 13:06.

[KTownDevil]

-VLN confirms that spectators have been involved. Police and rescue team at the scene.

 

-Race will not be restarted.

 

Doesn't sound good at all 

[Jackmancer]

Yikes    hoping no-one (including the driver) got hurt.

 

Driver is out. Meanwhile, report is shown: "An Posten 80 (Streckenabschnitt Flugplatz) hat sich ein Unfall mit Personenschaden ereignet."

[P123]

Nasty. Noticing it's between two fences, so we can only hope the crowd were all behind that lower second one.

[Lotusseven]

People injured  reports Bianca Leppert.   

[KTownDevil]

Nasty. Noticing it's between two fences, so we can only hope the crowd were all behind that lower second one.

Nope, the crowd and marshalls are allowed everywhere behind the FIA safety fence

[rhukkas]

Looks like same corner from last year- 

 

That is one dangerous place to spectate from.

[Risil]

https://www.facebook...58066235&type=1

 

"Leider ein Toter"

 

R.I.P

 

Can we wait until things are actually reported before throwing around words like that?

Edited by Risil, 28 March 2015 - 13:23.

[FLB]

https://www.facebook...58066235&type=1

 

"Leider ein Toter"

 

R.I.P

If you look at the picture in that post, there appears to be a chair under the car...

Edited by FLB, 28 March 2015 - 13:27.

[WhiteSGPlayer]

Can we wait until things are actually reported before throwing around words like that?

 

Bingo.

 

Frantic speculation in such a situation achieves nothing

[AlexS]

I never understand why people choose to stand in front of probable trajectory.

[TheRacingElf]

After the reports of personal injuries, police on the scene and the race not restarted I fear for the worst..Hope my gut feeling is wrong though.

Maybe it's a bit early after the incident but with the FIA so obsessed with safety I just can't see why the WTCC is going here this year. (maybe after this incident they won't)

[rhukkas]

A car landed in a spectator area at Brands and by the grace of god no one was hurt. That hasn't people racing there.

 

However the Flugplatz corner at Nord is incredibly dangerous from a spectator (as well as driver) viewpoint. I can't understand why anyone would spectate on the exit of that corner. I don't want to appropriate blame because obviously a car shouldn't end up there, but that obviously need to re-think the viewing areas.

[KTownDevil]

VLN confirms that one spectator has been killed at Flugplatz

 

http://www.vln.de/de...bgebrochen.html

 

Several injured, one dead. 

[Risil]

Awful news.

[Ross Stonefeld]

It seems like we kill someone in semi-pro/pro races at the Nordschleiffe every few years?

[Nemo1965]

A sad reminder of why the hated modern F1 tracks look like they look. If you don't have airports full of tarmac between the track and the spectators, well, then...

[ANF]

What the hell? Did the car flip over the fence? Or, looking at rhukkas's video, maybe the tyre wall acted as a ramp?

Edited by ANF, 28 March 2015 - 14:06.

[Jackmancer]

A sad reminder of why the hated modern F1 tracks look like they look. If you don't have airports full of tarmac between the track and the spectators, well, then...

 

Are the fences any lower than in F1? 

 

About airports full of tarmac, I've one word to say: Monaco

[pRy]

I never understand why people choose to stand in front of probable trajectory.

 

I don't think any motor racing spectator expects cars to end up on the other side of a high fence they're stood/sat behind. It's a freak occurrence rather than a probable one.

Edited by pRy, 28 March 2015 - 14:07.

[Nemo1965]

Are the fences any lower than in F1? 

 

About airports full of tarmac, I've one word to say: Monaco

 

Yes, but there the guardrails are immediately on the limit of the track. Which makes it easier to prevent cars from flipping over. Why are the guardrails there possible on the limit of the track? Because the corner-speeds are relatively low.

 

And then... it has happened in Monaco, a car flipping over the rail. Patrick Tambay in 1986, something...

 

There are many, many tracks I would love to see modern F1 cars race... The Nurburgring, Zandvoort, Montjuich (talking about the subject). It won't happen for the above mentioned reason.

[ch103]

Prayers go out to all of the injured families and their loved ones...

[MP4XX]

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/118267

 

Thoughts and prayers with the injured and condolences to the family and friends of the deceased. Spare a thought for Jann Mardenbourough. 

[Juablo]

Spoiler

 

Spoilered a link to an amateur video of the crash, no gore but shows the car getting air under the front and going airborne.

 

Horrific crash, thoughts to those involved

[MP4XX]

Spoiler

 

Spoilered a link to an amateur video of the crash, no gore but shows the car getting air under the front and going airborne.

 

Horrific crash, thoughts to those involved

What the heck happened there? The thing just took off?

[Ben1445]

O_O 

Well that's not good. 

 

Thoughts with all involved. 

Edited by Ben1445, 28 March 2015 - 14:27.

[FLB]

What the heck happened there? The thing just took off?

I read on another GT forum that the Nissans are notorious for getting air at the Flugplatz.

 

 

Condoleances and good thoughts to all involved

Edited by FLB, 28 March 2015 - 14:41.

[midgrid]

Wow, that's incredible - reminds me of Manfred Winkelhock's famous F2 crash (at the same corner?).

 

Very sad that a spectator has been killed, but after watching that I'm honestly surprised it wasn't more.  Hopefully those who were injured can all make a full recovery.  RIP.

[jonpollak]

Oh dear...
Terrible
Just heard about it on the IndyCar YouTube page.

Is this the kid that came from the Nissan video game academy?

Jp

[Richard T]

RIP awful news

[huisne]

That's terrible, I'm so sad for all the people & their families involved. I'm so sad my favourite sport can be so cruel. All of us know that motorsport is dangerous, but no one expects to go and watch a race on a Saturday afternoon and never return home.   

Thoughts with Jann too, he must be feeling terrible. Hope he can quickly recover mentally from this. 

[huisne]

Oh dear...
Terrible
Just heard about it on the IndyCar YouTube page.

Is this the kid that came from the Nissan video game academy?

Jp

Yes he is, also confirmed to drive a Nissan LMP1 in the WEC this year. 
After years of safe video gaming, what a terrible experience of "real life racing" for him... 

[Mandzipop]

Thats horrible.

 

RIP to the spectator.

 

Hopefully the other injured fans will recover swiftly.

[Imateria]

Oh dear...
Terrible
Just heard about it on the IndyCar YouTube page.

Is this the kid that came from the Nissan video game academy?

Jp

Yes, he's also one of the LMP1 drivers.

[AlexS]

It seems an aerodynamic issue, like those of endurance Mercedes years ago

[chunder27]

I have seen footage of the incident and sadly the car flipped just like the Mercs and the GT1 Porsche did years ago. It goes over back first and lands in the fenced area which is higher than the track. LIke lift hits the front and gets under the front splitter.

 

There did not seem to be anyone in front of Jann, but there was a car behind, that he might have lapped, possibly the air hitting front end and getting lift as it did for the Merc and Porsche drivers in 99.

 

Flugplatz is very fast, there is a sort of lip in the road there but thousands of laps have been done by GTR's and GT cars there and in loads of traffic, at night, in the wet, in the dry.

 

Lord knows why this happened, and let's hope there is no knee jerk, maybe a restriction to watching right there, but nothing else.

[KTownDevil]

The Flugplatz section is well known for cars in the air

 

[Richard T]

I'm probably not alone in having been a bit worried about the GT3 cars at flugplatz for some time, they are getting faster and faster each year. I hope something will now be done.

Edited by Richard T, 28 March 2015 - 14:45.

[midgrid]

This is the Winkelhock crash I mentioned earlier.  Is it at the same corner?

 

 

This was caused by a damaged front wing.

[jonpollak]

Air rising under the car...

Jp

[DampMongoose]

Thoughts to those involved. Unfortunately motorsports are dangerous as it says on your ticket, I hope the reaction is nothing more than a higher barrier. Cars have been in the crowd at many circuits. Just hope nobody takes extreme/needless action...

[thegamer23]

That's a nasty crash.
Luckily Jann is ok, r.i.p for the spectator. 

[MrEfz]

Thoughts with everyone involved.

[Stephane]

Place is called FlugPlatz for a reason

[F1ultimate]

I watched a video of the accident and it's frightening how the car all of a sudden took of and rendered Mardenborough a passenger of an airborne car.

[DampMongoose]

Place is called FlugPlatz for a reason

Indeed, there's a glider airstrip just outside the circuit at that corner. Nothing to do with the track.

[Juan Kerr]

This is the Winkelhock crash I mentioned earlier.  Is it at the same corner?

 

 

This was caused by a damaged front wing.

Yes it is that corner and that's just what I thought when I read the story. Indeed I just noticed that Mardenborough has got airborne in exactly the same way as Winkelhock.

Edited by Juan Kerr, 28 March 2015 - 15:17.

[jr80]

I can't stand the driver who has slagged Jann off on twitter for this.Cretinous behaviour.

[ANF]

Oh G*d, what an horrible accident.

It reminds me not only of Winkelhock's crash but also of Mario Andretti's 2003 Indianapolis crash where the car took off after running over some debris.