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SF15-T - Ferrari's 2015 F1 Challenger. Part II


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#1 artista

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 09:08

Part I has nearly reached 4000 posts. Therefore, it has been closed down.

Continue discussion on the SF15-T here, please.

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#2 DrF

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 09:56

It's like fresh snow

#3 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 10:18

Nothing new this weekend by the looks of things.



#4 Kimble

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 10:28

A bit premature and the biggest performance gains won't be visible in photographs.

#5 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 11:55

#Turrini "Clear will not work with #Ferrari until 2016"



#6 Newbrray

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 11:56

 

#Turrini "Clear will not work with #Ferrari until 2016"

 

 

That's a really long gardening leave



#7 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 11:59

That's a really long gardening leave

Yeah, he must be held in very high regard.



#8 Abranet

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 12:11

Can't help but think if Ferrari were still 1.5 seconds off the pace that gardening leave wouldn't be so long.



#9 Ferrari2183

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 12:17

Can't help but think if Ferrari were still 1.5 seconds off the pace that gardening leave wouldn't be so long.

I don't know. Agreement regarding such matters would have been reached some time ago.



#10 Exb

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 12:20

I thought there was somekind of limit on the length of gardening leave?

 

Anyway compared to the length of gardening leave Ferrari gave Stella its a huge difference (I'm still not sure how McLaren managed to get him so quick, by winter testing - even Smedley had a longer period of gardening leave before starting with Williams, I suspect it may have been one of the terms of canceling Fernando's contract?)



#11 Zava

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 12:26

I thought there was somekind of limit on the length of gardening leave?

 

Anyway compared to the length of gardening leave Ferrari gave Stella its a huge difference (I'm still not sure how McLaren managed to get him so quick, by winter testing - even Smedley had a longer period of gardening leave before starting with Williams, I suspect it may have been one of the terms of canceling Fernando's contract?)

 

Can't help but think if mclaren weren't still 2.5+ seconds off the pace that gardening leave would've been longer.



#12 Newbrray

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 12:29

I thought there was somekind of limit on the length of gardening leave?

 

Anyway compared to the length of gardening leave Ferrari gave Stella its a huge difference (I'm still not sure how McLaren managed to get him so quick, by winter testing - even Smedley had a longer period of gardening leave before starting with Williams, I suspect it may have been one of the terms of canceling Fernando's contract?)

 

 

That's right, Smedley was still a ferrari employee for quite a while even after it was announced he would be joining Williams.



#13 DrF

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 15:17

http://www1.skysport...nd-prix-preview
Tyre allocation

Pirelli will bring the white-marked medium and yellow-banded soft compounds to the Shanghai circuit.

“The weather tends to be quite unpredictable in China, although generally we can expect to see temperatures that are significantly cooler than those we experienced in Malaysia," said the Italian firm's motorsport director Paul Hembery.

"Last year we had reasonably stable weather conditions in China whereas in previous years it has been more up and down – so this throws in a very interesting variable. The front-left tyre is the most stressed in Shanghai, while the traction demands of the circuit also give a lot of work to the rear tyres. Although we haven’t actually yet seen a very hot Chinese Grand Prix during our time in Formula 1, if you look at the weather history there is potential for this to happen as well.

"This would make things very difficult for the tyres – Shanghai is a big, open circuit and if you add in heat, it creates a lot of energy – but we’ve seen from Malaysia that these tyres will rise to the challenge. As Shanghai is a large circuit there’s plenty of opportunity for overtaking and big on-track battles. Strategy-wise, we’d normally expect a two-stop race.”

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 16:13

Tighter at the back it's seems

 

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Edited by Massa, 09 April 2015 - 16:13.


#15 Abranet

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 17:00

I don't know. Agreement regarding such matters would have been reached some time ago.

 

I agree but usually teams manage to work something out to shorten the time. Just seems a particularly long time frame. 



#16 Ferrari2183

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 17:04

I agree but usually teams manage to work something out to shorten the time. Just seems a particularly long time frame.

It does seem excessive but I suppose Jock Clear is one of those sort after engineers at present due to his recent ties with Mercedes.

#17 Claudiu

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 17:24

Tighter at the back it's seems

 

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Its quite a bit tighter if you compare it with the way it was before ... 

 

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It seems its even tighter than the Mercedes now ... for sure there is a nice performance lift from tightening the bodywork like that.


Edited by Claudiu, 09 April 2015 - 17:26.


#18 shonguiz

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 17:29

Maybe they removed the mythical second fuel tank to conform to new injection measurement method and then freed some space ?



#19 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 17:37

Tighter at the back it's seems

 

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Just a different configuration considering the expected temperatures.

All teams do it.



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#20 rasul

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 17:45

Just a different configuration considering the expected temperatures.

All teams do it.

It wasn't hot in Australia and Seb's picture above was from Australian GP.



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Posted 09 April 2015 - 17:59

It wasn't hot in Australia and Seb's picture above was from Australian GP.

 

As it was the first race Ferrari probably played safe on the cooling side there.



#22 Claudiu

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 18:21

I don't think its related to how much cooler it is in China ... its just that they where very conservative with the cooling in the first two races on and now they went more aggressive, tightening the bodywork and improving the coke bottle area....

 

I expect this to be permanent.


Edited by Claudiu, 09 April 2015 - 18:33.


#23 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 18:34

I don't think its related to how much cooler it is in China ... its just that they where very conservative with the cooling in the first two races on and now they went more aggressive, tightening the bodywork and improving the coke bottle area....

I expect this to be permanent.


I absolutely guarantee it won't be.

#24 Kulturen

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 18:42

It's possible I guess, either way we'll see.



#25 Kimble

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 18:44

The sidepod shapes on the Ferrari are so contoured you really need like for like shots to judge.

#26 Claudiu

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 19:12

I absolutely guarantee it won't be.

 

Your guarantees have 0 value sorry ... you will be proven wrong in the next few races



#27 cokata

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 19:53

Your guarantees have 0 value sorry ... you will be proven wrong in the next few races

I think you are right. After all they used the same bodywork in austrailia and malaysia, and the temperature delta between the two races was massive. Also they were all talking about the more efficient cooling but if you looked the heat outlets compared to the other cars you would start to wonder why the car was so open if it has such good cooling.



#28 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 20:01

Your guarantees have 0 value sorry ... you will be proven wrong in the next few races


I'll only be proven wrong if it stays the same for the next 17 races.

#29 Seanspeed

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 20:37

I absolutely guarantee it won't be.

Yea, it's pretty unlikely. Many teams have tighter exhaust exit bodywork for cooler races.

Not impossible, though.

Edited by Seanspeed, 09 April 2015 - 20:37.


#30 FenderJaguar

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 21:07

great pictures!



#31 Kelateboy

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 03:56

Can't see any updates for the car in FP1.

 

To be honest, I can't really see the so-called tighter bodywork at the back of the car either. 



#32 Ferrari2183

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 04:08

Raikkonen had a nice little long run at the end there. Marginally slower than Hamilton over the stint but on tyres that were 6 laps older.

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 04:11

Did Vettel have some problems? He didnt seem to do other than three few quick lap runs.



#34 Ferrari2183

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 04:20

Did Vettel have some problems? He didnt seem to do other than three few quick lap runs.

Different program to Raikkonen most likely.

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 04:54

Yes that is my opinion too. They seem to not have any issues.

 

 

 

Edit:Maybe we can do only one stop.


Edited by AlexS, 10 April 2015 - 05:21.


#36 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 07:11

Car looks alright this weekend. Hopefully both drivers can have a good Quali session so they don't start too far behind Mercedes. The team need to work a bit more on raw Quali pace, but not at the expense of the superb race pace.

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 07:22

Car looks decent so far, comfortably the second fastest. Nowhere near Mercs on one lap pace though.  Will all come down to if they can eek out the tyres better than Merc in race pace... especially as there appears to be  massive difference between the two compounds. 



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Posted 10 April 2015 - 07:37

Car looks good (Kimi). Vettel has to find the right setup. I don't think his times are representative. Traffic on almost every lap on the softs plus not optimal setup = we don't know how Ferrari compares vs Mercs on softs. On the mediums we are at least as fast, maybe a fraction faster.

One lap pace just as I expected ...Merc 0.5 sec faster. But we will push them in the race.



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Posted 10 April 2015 - 07:38

I don't think Vettel managed to nail his setup ... he looks slower then Raikkonen in quali sim and race sim as well. 

 

Hell Raikkonen was doing better times on medium than Vettel on soft which is odd so let's see if tomorrow Vettel manages to find a breakthrough with his setup.

 

Target should be to qualify on the second row and then push the Mercedes during the race. 

 

Would be nice if we can squeeze a car on the first row though :p



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Posted 10 April 2015 - 07:53

I think Seb was  stuck behind Lewis and other traffic for much of his long run.   I'm a big fan of both these drivers but I would like to see Kimi beat Seb fair and square in a race so we can have a proper battle. 

 

I'm very impressed with the step(s) forward Ferrari are making.  If they keep this up they will be genuine title contenders next year - how great would it be to see Seb vs Kimi for the tittle in a Ferrari. 


Edited by VolvoT5, 10 April 2015 - 07:54.


#41 Vesuvius

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 07:54

Räikkönen again on similar speed to mercedes over long runs, and one lap pace looks good too :)



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Posted 10 April 2015 - 08:06

Räikkönen again on similar speed to mercedes over long runs, and one lap pace looks good too :)


For once i would like to see Kimi start from close to the front row with this car.. but i have feeling that something goes wrongbin qualy.

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 08:07

For once i would like to see Kimi start from close to the front row with this car.. but i have feeling that something goes wrongbin qualy.

 

Exactly. He looks fast, but when quali is over, he is most likely behind Vettel. Race might be again compromised by other drivers.

 

Sigh



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Posted 10 April 2015 - 08:08

For once i would like to see Kimi start from close to the front row with this car.. but i have feeling that something goes wrongbin qualy.

 

I doubt something will go wrong everytime. So this could be the right time to achieve some great result. I believe second place (in the race) is possible for him.



#45 Zesus

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 08:09

Exactly. He looks fast, but when quali is over, he is most likely behind Vettel. 

 

I don't understand why would you think that. It's not situation like last year when he didn't like the car. I'm sure he can beat Vettel in qualifying.



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Posted 10 April 2015 - 08:11

Clean weekend for both drivers and we are in for a good result...perhaps even really really good, if Merc can't handle the rubber.



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Posted 10 April 2015 - 08:40

I think Seb was  stuck behind Lewis and other traffic for much of his long run.   I'm a big fan of both these drivers but I would like to see Kimi beat Seb fair and square in a race so we can have a proper battle. 

 

I'm very impressed with the step(s) forward Ferrari are making.  If they keep this up they will be genuine title contenders next year - how great would it be to see Seb vs Kimi for the tittle in a Ferrari. 

Why next year? As soon as possible we will know how far Mercedes is. Ferrari is already the second fastest team with chances to challenge Mercedes in race.

 

Better work SF15-T with rubber is great advantage for Ferrari this year.


Edited by sergey1308, 10 April 2015 - 08:44.


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Posted 10 April 2015 - 08:44

Looking good. This car is a beast on long runs.


Edited by wift, 10 April 2015 - 08:46.


#49 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 08:50

Since Kimi's brakes were replaced, he looked very very comfortable. The onboards were excellent.



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Posted 10 April 2015 - 09:02

Temperatures should be rising? Especially the prediction for Sunday which says ~ 20-22 ° C. Let's hope we are not P3 and P4 or P3 and P5 after the first corner. It's a shame we didn't see a proper long run on the softs. On the mediums our degradation is better with at least the same pace from lap 1.

Normally softer tires should suit the Ferrari even better. Look at the jump that Kimi made on his hotlap (2.5 sec!). Potentially the soft tyre could be even better for us in the longrun (I hope so). Let's see which tyre is the better race tyre. What do you think?

 

I think the soft tyre is 1-1.3 sec faster and the degradation is not too severe. It'll be the race tyre for the first 2 stints. IF we can gain time at the end of those 2 stints ( example: Hamilton P1 Kimi P2 - Hamilton takes 2-3 tenths in the first 6-7 laps then Kimi start to go as fast and after Lap 11-12 faster) we could jump Merc at the 2nd stop. Why? If the softs continue to be much faster than the mediums and our deg is good, Mercedes has to stop earlier but loses time on new mediums vs our used softs. Reverse undercut. Or Mercedes tries to stretch the stint. But then we can attack. Better top speed + DRS. Great opportunity on the long straight.