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[kimster89]

Interesting comments from Niki here, maybe worth discussing. Quite strong words in fact. Im well aware this could be a can of worms so the mods can feel free to lock this ASAP, but maybe this can be thread to discuss why Alonso and Ferrari relationship failed.

 

http://www.motorspor...551786/?v=2&s=1

[sopa]

In before ACTION starts.

[TomNokoe]

I thought this was common knowledge?

[Mackey]

Lauda is wrong in so many ways... But it seems it´s cool now to bash Fernando.

Just think what´d been of Ferrari the past few years without him. IMO he should´ve been even more critical of the team, to think he gave his best years of his career to a team that constantly let him down.

[PayasYouRace]

Niki's a good judge of character and a straight talker. It's hardly news that Alonso has a massive ego.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Nowadays Niki Lauda doesn't use toilet, instead he pisses on grasses in front of camera.

[Gyno]

So Alonso points out what is wrong and needs to be fixed and he is the bad guy?

Lauda needs to get his head out of his own arse.

 

I bet he did the same thing when he was driving.

[RubalSher]

So does that mean Alonso wont be getting any calls from Merc as long as Lauda is there?

[johnmhinds]

So does that mean Alonso wont be getting any calls from Merc as long as Lauda is there?

 

Not enough space in one team for both Niki and Alonso's egos

[Flamini]

Relationship failed because Ferrari had produced bad cars. End of story.

 

And thread opened by Raikkonen fan, how surprising

[Atreiu]

If confirmed, it would not be surprising anymore.

[AustinF1]

Niki's a good judge of character and a straight talker. It's hardly news that Alonso has a massive ego.

It's hardly news that anyone in the paddock has a massive ego.

[Kimble]

Lauda is just hurting from Alonso beating Kimi.

[kimster89]

Maybe Niki is trying to tell that huge pressure Alonso mounted on the engineers had a negative effect on their creativity and work atmosphere and as a result they produced the crap cars.

[AustinF1]

Maybe Niki is trying to tell that huge pressure Alonso mounted on the engineers had a negative effect on their creativity and work atmosphere and as a result they produced the crap cars.

LOL.

[igoru]

One of the biggest ego speaking....

[sopa]

Not enough space in one team for both Niki and Alonso's egos

 

Somehow the egos of di Montezemolo and Alonso could co-exist though.

 

Edited by sopa, 11 April 2015 - 18:49.

[redreni]

Just look at where Kimi is this year compared to last year, relative to the competition. Ferrari has just built a better car, end of story. It's not about the drivers. Alonso's ego was not slowing Kimi down.

Edited by redreni, 11 April 2015 - 20:32.

[f1RacingForever]

Yeah sunshine vettel and stunts like multi 21 are, I'm sure, great for team moral on the other hand. Webber openly accusing he team of favoritism. Hamilton tweeting his telemetry, disclosing what was said during private team meetings. They all do things they shouldn't. If you're looking for some diplomatic angel then you won't find it.

[IWFSBF1]

Fernando will rise again. Newbie here, but mark my words.

[NoSanityClause]

One of the biggest ego speaking....

Indeed. Takes one to know another.

 

That said: yes, Alonso is egocentric. He can also be a bit of a douche. I would certainly not nominate him as the "Best personality in the paddock", neither would I nominate Hamilton, nor Schumacher. Not even Senna, who is considered an untouchable saint now, but it was insufferably arrogant within the F1 world as much as incredibly kind outside of it.

 

My all time favorite drivers are these (minus Schumi, plus Gilles...another guy with a "difficult" personality). I wish they were nicer, but they are not. As a consolation, they are the absolute best and for that I'm incredibly grateful. Alonso was good enough for Ferrari for 5 years. At every race he gave his best as is widely recognized. He did not disgrace Ferrari a single day.

 

As such, I don't pay no mind to Niki's comments. I'd rather see more Ricciardos in the paddock, but I take an Alonso over a Barrichello anyday.

[RedBaron]

He dragged that lame horse to so many finishing position it wasn't capable of. He said nothing for years.

 

 

He finally got fed up.

[snakestone]

 

Lauda "Ferrari and Alonso make a perfect team."

http://www.marca.com...1348613059.html

[kimster89]

http://www.marca.com...1348613059.html

 

What a bandwagoner Lauda is LOL

[AustinF1]

http://www.marca.com...1348613059.html

Yet another perfect example of folks in the paddock talking out of both sides of their mouths. Usually if they say anything it's done to advance an agenda of one sort or another. I wonder what Nikki's angle is this time.

[wj_gibson]

It's a shame that someone who I rather idolised as a child has become such a rent-a-mouth.

Edited by wj_gibson, 11 April 2015 - 19:24.

[rasul]

http://www.marca.com...1348613059.html

To be fair to Lauda, he said that years ago, when things were clearly better at Ferrari. Besides, he didn't actually say something that contradicts what he said now.

[Lotusseven]

When has Lauda said anything nice about another driver than the two he is mentoring ? Maybe I have missed it ?

 

Another thing when we are at it if it´s ok with the moderators in here ? ( if not you can delete this post)

 

...Alonso is upset because Sky Italia´s journalist Paola Saluzzi tweeted something absurd and offensive to Alonso (in his opinion).

He has not done interviews with Sky Italia today because he wants an apology from Paola Saluzzi . 

[Claudius]

What has Laudas ego to do with the discussion at hand?

He doesn't have a beef in this fight, he's only expressing his opinion.

[AustinF1]

 

When has Lauda said anything nice about another driver than the two he is mentoring ? Maybe I have missed it ?

 

Another thing when we are at it if it´s ok with the moderators in here ? ( if not you can delete this post)

 

...Alonso is upset because Sky Italia´s journalist Paola Saluzzi tweeted something absurd and offensive to Alonso (in his opinion).

He has not done interviews with Sky Italia today because he wants an apology from Paola Saluzzi . 

 

What did the tweet say?

[Sestre]

Edited by Sestre, 11 April 2015 - 19:27.

[HoldenRT]

Doesn't seem right to kick Fernando while he is down.  His new team is struggling and it seems like this is the perfect opportunity for some to lay the boot in.

 

There are two sides to this argument but it feels strange or wrong to get into it with any depth.  On the one hand, Alonso is a polarising figure who once blackmailed his team to favour him over his teammate, a pretty ruthless character who wants to win at all costs.  On the other hand, a team with tradition and great external pressures to succeed who have struggled to build top class championship winning cars and like to play the blame game.  With Alonso driving at a consistant high level during his years with the team.

 

Plenty of blame to go around on both sides.  Something had to change eventually.

 

The thing I find funny is the constant need to for people to always talk about Alonso.  Whether it be which team he should next join, or his crash in Barcelona, or if it was right or wrong to leave Ferrari.  The funny thing on this forum is that it's always the same people discussing it.  Page after page.

 

If you have an emptiness in your life, a sporting figure will never be able to fill it.  Gambling, drugs or drinking isn't good either.  There are other ways.. focus on your own achievements, not living through someone else's.

[DILLIGAF]

http://www.marca.com...1348613059.html

Just goes to show what a two faced tosser Lauda can be.

[Lotusseven]

What did the tweet say?

 

I don´t know. I think she have deleted it.

[Fontainebleau]

What did the tweet say?

http://www.gazzetta....417218927.shtml

[snakestone]

To be fair to Lauda, he said that years ago.

http://www.motorspor...-suzuka-report/

 

"Without Fernando Alonso," Mercedes team chairman Niki Lauda is quoted as saying, "Ferrari would be nowhere."

[AustinF1]

Doesn't seem right to kick Fernando while he is down.  His new team is struggling and it seems like this is the perfect opportunity for some to lay the boot in.

Let 'em get their licks in while they can...

[Gilles4Ever]

Google translation

 

The presenter of Sky accuses the former Ferrari driver ("Piece of imbecile") then backtracks: "Being fans requires education, I was wrong"

[wj_gibson]

I find it extremely sad that there appears to be a line of people who have clearly been waiting for some time to kick one of the greatest drivers of his generation despite that driver having done nothing harmful to those doing the kicking.

[Claudius]

http://www.motorspor...-suzuka-report/

 

Lauda maybe knows something he didn't know back then.

Is that so inconceivable? People are not allowed to change their opinions?

[AustinF1]

http://www.gazzetta....417218927.shtml

Thanks! Google translate isn't much help with this one. Can anyone here translate Italian?

[wj_gibson]

Lauda maybe knows something he didn't know back then.
Is that so inconceivable? People are not allowed to change their opinions?

They can change their opinions if there is a reason to do so.

But then I think back to 2007 when Lauda more or less suggested that peopel from Asturias were not educated properly. He has a regrettable recent history of saying extremely ill-considered things about Alonso for no apparent reason.

[kimster89]

Some strong words from Alonso himself too:

Alonso tells rivals to enjoy his downfall while it lasts

http://www.grandprix...s/display/10114

 

Im surprised. I never got the impression Ferrari enjoys of watching fernando exits in q1 which he implies.

[P123]

He dragged that lame horse to so many finishing position it wasn't capable of. He said nothing for years.
 
He finally got fed up.

Pretty much. He was the only good thing Ferrari had for quite a while. To suggest he was bad for Ferrari is absurd.... the suggestion behind Lauda's comments being that Vettel's sunny attitude is so much better for them. Vettel is the newbie, coming into a team that has comfortably the second best car which looks capable of challenging for wins. You bet he's all 'sunny'! Alonso had been there for quite some time at what was a repetitively underachieving team. Naturally his demeanour would be different. It's not a fair or just comparison by Lauda.

As for the ego, of course he has it, as do most of the drivers .

[AustinF1]

Some strong words from Alonso himself too:

Alonso tells rivals to enjoy his downfall while it lasts

http://www.grandprix...s/display/10114

 

Im surprised. I never got the impression Ferrari enjoys of watching fernando exits in q1 which he implies.

Kosmos says another thread that the media translation of his original quote is a bit off, and actually says he "hopes it will soon be time for me to enjoy".

 

Changes things quite a bit.

[rasul]

http://www.motorspor...-suzuka-report/

Again, that doesn't exactly contradict anything he says now. He's not denying Alonso's racing abilities or anything.  Why are people confusing two completely different things? Besides, he might have learned something he didn't know before. After Alonso is gone, people at Ferrari are likely more willing to talk about what was happening during his spell in the team. It's normal.

[Claudius]

They can change their opinions if there is a reason to do so.

But then I think back to 2007 when Lauda more or less suggested that peopel from Asturias were not educated properly. He has a regrettable recent history of saying extremely ill-considered things about Alonso for no apparent reason.

 

That's what I'm saying, he maybe has found out something from the Ferrari team recently. Just a suggestion.

 

To be fair Lauda has been dishing dirt to many people during the years. Some of it justified some of it not.

But IMO I don't think he's out to hurt Alonso while he's down. There's no reason for Niki to do that, from what I gather.

He's been praising him as a driver for years. Now he thinks Alonso also haves a negative side which can impact a team. 

What's the big deal...

[Nonesuch]

He dragged that lame horse to so many finishing position it wasn't capable of. He said nothing for years.

 

Why did Alonso stop performing these wondrous feats? McLaren could definitely use any help they can get. If the Ferrari finished 4th, 1st or 2nd it was capable of finishing in those positions. There is no magic 110% performance.

 

As for Lauda; he seems to be talking about Ferrari more than Alonso. I don't much care for the 'it's because they're Italians' line of reasoning, though, so while I recognize Lauda's experience at Ferrari and his undoubtedly good connections with the team, this supposed analysis doesn't strike me as very convincing or even novel.

[Seanspeed]

Niki hasn't been worth listening to for a long time but of course people choose to believe what they want to believe.

[Baddoer]

So Ferrari went from egocentric Alonso to egocentric Vettel. Makes sense.