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[HPT]

Trulli destroyed Alonso in one season. Do i put him off the list?

Ricci destroyed Vettel last year. Do i put him off the list?

Button destroyed Hamilton in 2011. Do i put him off the list?

Seems like you don't fully understand the meaning of the word 'destroyed'

[Force Ten]

Hold that list for a moment, and search the definition of "destroyed".

My best bet is that "kimster89" is one of those guys that would describe someone qualifying 4 milliseconds ahead of the other guy as "destroying him". Just helps to know the vocabulary. I bet 1 tenth is "annihilate" and 3 tenths is "if I were killed so hard any time in my life in anything like that I'd perform seppuku. Twice."

Edited by Force Ten, 18 April 2015 - 08:49.

[REDalert]

The proper question is who earned #1 in any team. That is entirely fine with me  when those who earned it are treated with preference.

Yes but not by standard. You should have to earn nr1 status in every season and not be preferred from the start.

[REDalert]

Not sure how you can put Kimi in the elite group of drivers, after the way Alonso destroyed him last season.

He was considered as one before last season and one season with a non suitable car should not wipe off his previous achievements . 

[learningtobelost]

I think "number one status" is a thing of the past for a number of reasons.

1) The grid has a much deeper talent pool than in previous decades, so the performance differential between the best and worse drivers is small. 

2) Teams are giant corporate, marketing driven behemoths now. The idea of a driver being bigger than the team is unthinkable now.

3) The idea of number one status was only really useful for a driver to keep their main rival from becoming their team mate. With a grid packed with champions, and teams being much closer to each other on track than at any point in the sports history it's not really practical, nor is it as necessary. 

That said, there is no doubt in my mind that drivers lobby for some form of preferential treatment. Vettel and Alonso have quite publicly benefitted from the help of their team mates in the past, but that doesn't happen unless you deserve it.

As usual with most things in F1... it's a complete non-issue that's been blow out of proportion by the media.

[sopa]

I think the "best" cases of No.1 status were the Flavio Briatore teams. I don't know, what was written in driver contracts at the time, maybe nothing. But I mean Flavio's overall approach and the way team operated. He seemed to be a big believer in the importance of Drivers Championship, compared to Constructors, and believer in a star driver, around who the team can be built.

 

Throughout years there have been too much noise/smoke coming from former #2 driver that they weren't really treated equally, compared to other teams, so this is also an additional consideration.

[krumpli12]

Actually I think the classical, in contract written nr 1 status is no longer. None of thes guys , not even Hamilton, Alonso or Vettel have such. However, if the situation arises when the team needs to concentrate on one of the drivers because only one of them has a chance at winning WDC, they will prefer that driver. Altough I do not think that is something they can be crucified for. Interestingly, this year the topic of signaling nr 1 and nr 2 drivers only came up at Mercedes, so I am quite sure this is the reason while Hamilton decided to say some derogatory statements about his counterparts. Sometimes I wish he would just stay silent.

[krumpli12]

My best bet is that "kimster89" is one of those guys that would describe someone qualifying 4 milliseconds ahead of the other guy as "destroying him". Just helps to know the vocabulary. I bet 1 tenth is "annihilate" and 3 tenths is "if I were killed so hard any time in my life in anything like that I'd perform seppuku. Twice."

 

Well, expect if it is Kimi who gets one of the biggest KO from a teammate in the history of the sport

[REDalert]

Kimi at Lotus in 2012 was probably the worst case lately. Always getting the new parts and Grosjean asked to move over. People just ignore this and act like it never happened because it was kimi involved.

Before that it was obviously Schumacher 2006. Massa spent that year helping Schumi and was very obliging when ordered. Nothing like he was with Alonso or Kimi.

Kimis or Shumis teammates were never asked to crash on purpose to help NR1 of the team.

[Force Ten]

Well, expect if it is Kimi who gets one of the biggest KO from a teammate in the history of the sport

...yeah, I forgot to add, except when it's Kimi. Then it's "yes but this time it happened because of ........ because Kimi is an elite driver"

[sennafan24]

Still, should have minded his own business, as this year started good, and there seemingly is no need to start talking smack as yet. I do wonder though, if he is going to drive the rest of the races with 3 wheels or something, an extra pit-stop etc., as his comments on Vettel were tasteless then, still are now

Didn't Vettel start talking smack at the end of 2013? The "balls in the pool" comment?

 

 

Yet everyone at Ferrari denied that he had #1 status, and both Luca and Felipe went to great lengths to reiterate this both before and after his arrival.

Indeed, it was a myth

 

It was a similar myth to the "everything changed after SPA" notion that was aimed at Mercedes last year. People claim that after Germany 2010, poor old Massa lost his confidence due to how the team treated. Yet they fail to account for Alonso mostly getting the better of Massa on track before Germany 2010. Alonso made a few errors in early 2010, but he always had an edge over Massa, right from the get go. 

[RealRacing]

Yet everyone at Ferrari denied that he had #1 status, and both Luca and Felipe went to great lengths to reiterate this both before and after his arrival.

Of course they would deny it.

[krobinson]

Multi-21 disproves that Vettel had #1 status at RBR. If he did, the whole thing wouldn't have happened at all. 

 

Actually, it is vice-versa. That proved to me how much of a nr.1 status he really had in that team. He basically sh*t on everyone in his team, yet the response from them was to do nothing.

 

If I was Mateschitz and my driver behaved like that, I would fire him before the podium ceremony takes place.

[AmnGoogly87]

People who honestly think Alonso has #1 status over Button are out of their minds. They get equal treatment, it's been blatantly obvious already. Same with the others to be honest. 

[rasul]

Actually, it is vice-versa. That proved to me how much of a nr.1 status he really had in that team. He basically sh*t on everyone in his team, yet the response from them was to do nothing.

 

If I was Mateschitz and my driver behaved like that, I would fire him before the podium ceremony takes place.

Get real. No one would do that to their own 3WDC. They publicly criticized him; that was more than enough. You're also confusing an earned status of the team's leader and #1 clause written in one's contract. 

[krobinson]

Get real. No one would do that to their own 3WDC. They publicly criticized him; that was more than enough. You're also confusing an earned status of the team's leader and #1 clause written in one's contract. 

 

Ever heard of Alain Prost (and he was ten times the driver vettel ever will be), yet Ferrari fired him for much less.
 

[SanDiegoGo]

ITT: vettel and alonso fans whine that their driver dont need no number 1 status. they da best evear and hamilton a big meanie. shut up hamilton you big meanie.

[rasul]

Ever heard of Alain Prost (and he was ten times the driver vettel ever will be), yet Ferrari fired him for much less.
 

Was Prost Ferrari's own 3WDC? I think not. 

Edited by rasul, 18 April 2015 - 14:27.

[krobinson]

Was Prost Ferrari's own 3WDC? I think not. 

 

What difference is there? both were 3 times WDC, it is irrelevant where they got their titles. Having won titles does not entitle you to crap on everyone else.

[rasul]

What difference is there? both were 3 times WDC, it is irrelevant where they got their titles. Having won titles does not entitle you to crap on everyone else.

If you don't see the difference between a driver who won 3 titles for your own team and a driver who won them for some other team, I rest my case. 

[Nonesuch]

What happened to 'I'll do my talking on the track'?

 

It's not much of a motto if it doesn't even last the weekend.

 

No driver is '#1'. Teams will support one driver over the other if the driver's championship is in play; there is no reason to do so otherwise.

[Gorma]

Actually, it is vice-versa. That proved to me how much of a nr.1 status he really had in that team. He basically sh*t on everyone in his team, yet the response from them was to do nothing.

If I was Mateschitz and my driver behaved like that, I would fire him before the podium ceremony takes place.

Then he should have fired Webber a long time ago.

[P123]

hamilton a big meanie. shut up hamilton you big meanie. [/i]

I agree with the quoted bit. It's the general gist of what the topic was started for. Boooooo Lewis. Boooooooooooooo!