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Does Robserg have *frustrated second driver syndrome*?


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#101 DrF

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 19:59

You sure about that?

oops!

Well there you go then, Williams, home of the frustrated 2nd driver (JPM too!)

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#102 bub

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 20:13

I don't think so. He just sometimes gets a bit frustrated when he is beaten the same way most drivers would. Okay he's losing to Lewis more often but I think that's more down to Lewis settling into the team more and more, improving as a driver and being more confident and relaxed thanks to winning his second WDC and maturing. 



#103 SanDiegoGo

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 20:15

Nico actling completely different compared to 2014, like he's in a bad mood and having little hissy fits. In many ways it reminds me nearly how bad Hamilton acted in the first part of 2007  after Alonso beat him in Monaco. He started blaming others and insinuating about the team in an unpleasant way which prompted the FIA to investigated McLaren at that event.

 

Nico actling completely different compared to 2014, like he's in a bad mood and having little hissy fits. In many ways it reminds me nearly how bad Alonso acted in the second part of 2007  after Lewis beat him in USA. He started blaming others and insinuating about the team in an unpleasant way which prompted the FIA to investigated McLaren after Alonso went mental and started threatening to whistle blow about Ferrari technical info.

 

glass houses, mate. glass houses. :smoking:


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#104 TomNokoe

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 20:27

ooOoh P123 you done post gooood

#105 f1supreme

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 20:28

Nico actling completely different compared to 2014, like he's in a bad mood and having little hissy fits. In many ways it reminds me nearly how bad Hamilton acted in the first part of 2007  after Alonso beat him in Monaco. He started blaming others and insinuating about the team in an unpleasant way which prompted the FIA to investigated McLaren at that event.

have you forgotten why nico was boo'd last season.



#106 IWFSBF1

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 20:47

well he his, maybe not right now, as everything is seemingly going for him, and like I said as much as it pains me to say it, he as been nothing short of supreme since late last year, but flaws are flaws, and when the going get tough, they tend to poke back their ugly head...

Pain. It's just weakness leaving the body. Keep up the hard work :up:



#107 George Costanza

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 03:30

This theory does not check out. 

 

Other than qualifying, Nico is the same as last year. Plus, the "new baby" theory was proven incorrect by Romain. After the birth of one his children in mid-2013, he had one of the best runs of his career. 

Alain Prost in his career, espeically 1990.



#108 DanardiF1

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 05:07

I just think he's convinced himself he's a smarter driver than Lewis and can use that to beat him, but can't reconcile that with being beaten in every possible way by Hamilton. The dirty tricks of Monaco, and attempted psychological warfare of late have only served to strengthen Hamilton because these tactics have failed to do anything about Lewis' speed.

 

He's also not as good as he's made out to be... Rosberg peaked in 2013 for me and even then he wasn't comparable to Hamilton's previous teammate Jenson...



#109 Nemo1965

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 06:21

I suppose you could give some examples. It's a bit of a dim throwaway comment otherwise. It's an opinion mostly derived from the intellectual weakness of it's holder. Are we to assume that every time Hamilton makes an error it's down to 'mental weakness'? Doing so is a comfortable way to reinforce a weakly held opinion as fact, albeit it makes Raikkonen an mental eggshell when it comes to qualifying. But he's the 'Iceman', it' simply not fashionable to question his mental approach. Easier to do with somebody more outwardly emotional. It's a convenient excuse, and stick to beat him with.

Let's help you out a bit, and take the example of say, Hungary 2013. Publicised split with the pussycat doll. Looks miserable. Wins. That backs up your stance... oh, no, it doesn't. Ok, Korea 2011, looked dejected and broken. Qualified on pole and finished second after a race long wheel to wheel fight with Webber. Ah crap, that doesn't help your case either. Still quick.

Ok, lets try racing then. Oz 2012, loses out to JB. That's a setback on top of 2011. Jenson's team now... Oops, generally dominates him the rest of the season. Oz 2014. Car breaks down, loses 25 points. Wins the next 4 in a row. Mid-season 2014, couple of quali errors (aaaahhh mentally weak, mentally weak!!), couple of reliability induced back of the grid starts and book-ended by a couple of professional fouls from his teammate. What happened next...? Bugger it, he won the championship.

Ok, I'll be kind. If you are referring to Monaco and it's following race in 2011, then yeah, that's weakness of the mental kind. In fact Monaco all in probably requires a different approach from Hamilton.

Thing is, I could question the mental strength at similar stages for Raikkonen (yes, motivation counts), Vettel, Alonso, Rosberg. It's a bit of an infatuation with F1 fans and media.

 

Nice post, P. A couple of years ago I wrote a fairly long op-ed article in a Dutch daily about the 'mental-myth'; the stubborn idea that '90 percent of the difference between winning and finishing number 2 or lower is mental', the idea that with the 'right mental approach' one could go from bronze to a gold medal.

 

It just isn't true. If one looks at achievements of successful athletes and takes the average of those achievements, one could see that 90 percent of the achievements are about the same level. Immediately after someone has a peak, he or she will 'dip' back to his normal level. That has nothing to do with 'mental dips,' but just with luck, some special circumstances as weather, competition, external factors. Read Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman and you will see this statistically substantiated.



#110 CoolBreeze

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 06:58

I think Rosberg is just trying to play mind games, in the process, makes him look like a total idiot. 

 

This is an example of a proper mind game. 

 

 

P/S: it was just qualifying.



#111 Dick Dastardly

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 10:42

I wonder how Rosberg will fare against whoever his team mate is at M-B in 2016 assuming Lewis joins Vettel at Ferrari?

Lewis will find Vettel a stronger team mate than Rosberg, they'll be taking points away from each other....Rosberg may find being 'team leader' at M-B may be his best chance of becoming WDC [assuming M-B are still a dominant force]....



#112 CoolBreeze

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 06:33

I don;t think Lewis will end up in Ferrari. It's either the Hulk, or Max.